JC brought this up in the offtopic thread and i thought it was a good idea, cause i like to talk about the other L&O's without having to leave the comfort of this board.

So ! Feel Free to discuss all the Law and Order's in the Comfort of our own board!! Go go go!


I want to know why everyone things the E/O ship sunk? Is it because Kathy lived &&& the child?

Thanks. I hope that this thread sticks.


Does anyone know if they have shot any episodes in the new season of the mothership? I'm excited to see McCoy as DA. It will be very different. I wonder if he will take it upon himself to try a few cases?


I think that the E/O ship sunk because he has recommitted to his family. I think that during the time he and Kathy were seperated he wen through a searching period. I think that he explored his feelings for Olivia and realized that he did have feelings for her that were more than friendship and partnership.

I think that he got back together with Kathy because she was pregnant, but over time he's come to fall in love with her again. He's not stupid enough to throw away twenty years of his life. He will always love Kathy.

The Hug from El's POV

• Thank you for saving my family
• I love you, I owe everythig to you
• I realize now that I love you, but I'm not in love with you. I'm in love with my wife. But you've gone from being my partner to being on the same level as bing a really close sister.

The hug from Liv's POV

• I love you
• I'm glad that I could be there for you
• I realize how much your family means to you, and I'm selfish to think that we could have that.
• I'm glad that your holding me, i felt guily about what happened, but now I know that you're not mad at me.

I think Olivia has more feelings for Elliot than Elliot has for Olivia. To me, i think Olivia is in love with him, but would never get in the way of what he has with Kathy. Since there is a new child and all.

Olivia's face was just priceless, i can't get it out of my head. It was definitely a moment, it made my little heart do a big flip flop.

ITA. that's why I say that the ship is sunk. She might have feelings, but there's nothing that can happen now.


Does anyone know how many more seasons there are going to be of mothership and svu? I've heard that there is only one more season of SVU after this. I really hope that they don't get rid of svu or the mothership.

I like the pacing that they are taking with criminal intent. really, any of these shows could last forever. There will always be crime, and crime will always change with the times. If they keep it about the crime and give us some backstory here and there without a lot of stuff, the show will go on forever.

I really hope that the ci writers keep taking things at the snai's pace without getting too caught up in backstory. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing it, but spaced out over a duration. I hope that they start doing more character driven stuff with Logan, too. Do some stuff that will get some ratings.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they expanded the cast a little more, too. Nothing overboard like with SVU. but it would be cool if we got an ada for at least some of the time. I also think that a movie with all three series would be great, especially one that was Major Case centered (somethhing that could grab some ratings for CI)

It would be really cool for it to be a four part thing that aired on the respective nights/times of the series with the fourth part airing on a saturday night on nbc (recaps could also air on sat. in svu's time slot). That would be huge.

I can't see them getting rid of the money maker SVU, Thats the one with the higher ratings, Dick Wolf's Baby, besides wanting to keep the original to beat gunsmokes record. CI has always been the step child.

If worse comes to worse, They could always combine the three shows, and alternate, the all together. One week SVU, one week original, one week, CI. But I hate to see any of them go totally.

RE: Last night's L&O:SVU

As just an hour of television, it was fabulous. Olivia has been elevated to Hero status (which is fine by me), mother and baby survived (Yay!), I really enjoyed watching the jaws of life in action (saving lives every day), the EMT assisting Olivia was F.A.H.(!), and like a few others have mentioned on other boards, the show was well-directed. The scenes on the lake were exquisitely shot. I imagined Jake taking a deep breath, then diving head first into the mirky lagoon. I haven't yelled at the TV in weeks!

Who can forget the hug? I'm not a shipper (I stay out of that mess), but it was very sweet of Elliot, and Olivia definitely deserved it. She also deserves a medal for her mettle.

However, as an hour of L&O:SVU, IMO it was weak. Due to Novak's conversation, we (the audience) could discern that Jake, the husband, was Leah's killer. Jake expresses how much he loves his son, yet he kills his wife and drops his son at the PD. It would have been much more interesting to me if Matt killed Leah (and/or Jake). The perp who committed the sexual assault that opened the show was also lacking. I don't understand how he tried to allude police, and then less than two minutes in the interrogation room, he confessed. I also thought it was lame how boisterous Elliot was in the precinct halls about Jake's business while chastising Olivia for wanting to tell Jake about said business - and Jake was sitting right there. Sure, what were the odds really, but come on, chat about that in another room, y'all!

As an episode of SVU, I rate it a 5 (I took into account they effectively caught both perps).
As an hour of exciting TV, I rate it a 9.4.

I thought that it was a good episode. Granted, I wasn't paying that much attention until the car wreck.

I thought it was a top notch episode, even before the car wreck. Elliot was so cute with Tommy. There were a few plot holes like why Liv couldn't go up to the cabin instead of Elliot and Elliot pick up Kathy. But how else are you going to get the two women Ell cares about in a car together?

My sister came in right before the crash and I was bracing myself for it. It happened and she freaked. I wish I could have been in her shoes and not known about it. But then I couldn't have enjoyed the anticipation of the episode.

Yeah i was just waiting for the car wreck as well. i didn't care who killed the nanny. >_<

Also if he loved his son so much, how could he kill his son's mother and himself? Who was gunna take care of his son? Sounds pretty selfish to me.

Did we ever figure ot who killed the nanny?

oh my heck! why is it that stabler is always getting shot up, blown up, beaten up, blinded, etc.? I'm watching svu right now and he just got shot in the arm. I don' think that I would be able to take it if that happened to bobby all the time.

USS Olivia & Elliot
Rest in Peace

some guy..in the episode...and he had a face...with two eyes and a nose..

cool pic.
i came in right after the crash...of course there were some descrepentsies as always..lol.. Olivia would have never gotten that IV the way she was sticking kathy.. and even if she did.. it wouldn't have been that easy.
and kathy was losing a lot of blood from what Olivia said..so much that she passed out in the ambulance.. i believe the emt said *coding*
then the next scene she was sitting up in bed showing her baby off to Elliot.. lol.. no way it could have happened like that if we are talking *same day* .

*bug*

Well said, *jc. More thought than I put into the hug. It seemed awkward to me.



Me either, *jc. I'll hafta rewatch the first 40 minutes or so (well, less than that w/o commercials :-), cuz I was sitting, yelling at the tv, "Ok, OK, Enough! Get to the car wreck!"





Aw, I like E/O. But I'm a friendshipper, so they're still ok with my "ship".


spook

My Mom was bummed when, "Lenny" from the original Law & Order died. He didn't seem to be that old. I thought he was cool in the movie, "FX" . . . got to see him die twice in that one. Once when he was shot by the special effects man in the resturant (which was fake of course) and then again when he was electrocuted. Then you got to see him again at the end - which was just the FX guy with a mask.

Interesting actor. It's hard to believe that he's dead. I wish he could have died while having sex. If you gotta go some day - I feel that's the way to do it.

I hate watching them fake medical stuff on TV and in movies! James Bond trying to shock himself in Casino Royale was amusing though ! Anyhoo, I'm always wrinkling up my forehead at the characters performing CPR!! I'd rather have them use a dummy and make it look real. It just drives me nuts!!!

Right on. TV CPR sucks because they do it too soft. They told me when I took the class that you're supposed to break a rib or two.

That's the proper medical procedure. HARD and fast.

Cool man.

in *anti-thesis* goren is performing cpr in the squad room.. not only is he doing it too slow.. but his elbows are bent.. ahh vincent.. i would've thought you to research that better.

*bug*

ONE-AND-TWO-AND-THREE-AND FORAH!!!

Yeah, they kept saying (in the class), "Remember, these people aren't hurt - they're dead. You can't hurt them."

Good public safety statemen, man. Sincerely, you just earned your daily bread by erasing the dammage from folks who take TV too literally.

Have some wine, too.

HURRAH!!

just doin my job

*bug*

Your not suppose to break any ribs, actually cpr is done on the sternum not the ribs if your doing it right. But if the person is elderly or has fragile bones it can happen. I have done CPR and haven't broken any ribs, and have saved a few people.

Good on you, Jryan.

I took CPR for my job but have never had to use it.


spook

Hey - don't want to contradict you but when we were performing CPR on the dummies the instructor told us to make them crack. He said it was okay to break ribs if you are doing it in real life - and I passed with an almost perfect score.

I am certified with the American Heart Association to perform CPR and to work with a defibrillator. I am a Medical Assistant - I have a degree in medicine.

I'm not trying to make you look dumb or anything because I hate people that do that. I'm just quoting what I remember from the experience - swear to God - promise.

I think it was more unexpected than awkward. Elliot surprised her with it.

I too miss Jerry Orbach.


gorenscrush-I'll paypal you a dollar to post that on the SVU board.

chants: Do it! Do it!

I remember where I was when I heard that he died. I had flown home for Christmas to see my parents and I walked into the living room and his picture was on CNN Headline news. I was really sad and my sister couldn't figure out why since I didn't know him personally.

Sorry, I have to agree with JRyan on this. In all the times I performed CPR in the hospital, I only remember hearing ribs crack twice. Both times they were elderly, very thin patients. And neither survived. But NEVER did I try to make the ribs crack. I can't say for sure whether any ribs were broken on the patients who died; I doubt autopsies were done. But of the ones who survived, I don't recall any of them having broken ribs as a result of CPR. I would have some serious concerns about that instructor if he or she was telling you to crack the ribs.

I am a Registered Nurse and Have worked in a Hospital for over 10yrs, so no I don't feel dumb. After 4 years of Nursing school in College and 10yrs of the hospital each year of CPR training, 14 yrs in all. I have never had a instructor tell me to try and crack ribs, I have been told it could happen. Your suppose to try for 2in compression on adults, and 1/2 on babies 1 inch on child. But I would worry about any instructer who tells you to go for it and crack ribs. I understand, if he tells you not to freak out if it happens, it happens yes. But thats not what your trying to do. Cracking a rib can puncture the heart or lungs, causing more problems.

Now if you do, the compression too low on the sternum, you will break the xiphoid Process (the lower part of the sternum) Thats why your suppose to measure three fingers above that point to avoid breaking it.
( I am now disabled and not working, but the above is to the best of my memory, whats left of it.)
On a different note, I have graduated from Carpel Tunnel to Buns of Steel. woohoo.


Also found this Info, since we are discussing CPR and Television;



Place in film and televisionCPR is often severely misrepresented in movies and television as being highly effective in resuscitating a person who is not breathing and has no circulation. A 1996 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine showed that CPR success rates in television shows was 75%.

It is important to note that CPR techniques portrayed on television and in film are purposely incorrect. Actors performing simulated CPR will keep their elbows bent, to prevent force from reaching the fictional victim's heart. As well as causing significant local trauma, in theory performing CPR on healthy persons may disrupt heart rhythms.

congrats......way to post...

Excellent information, Captain. I always assumed that actors were purposely doing it wrong for those reasons. They could do it more convincingly on a dummy, but then we would all be pointing out that the victim doesn't look real!

I rewatched the hug for the first time (and the second, and the third... today. Liv looked hesitant or surprised at first, then she went with it. Elliot looked grateful. And hot. But CM always looks hot to me.



spook - E/O friendshipper

And nothing is hotter than a man in love with the woman he has been married to for 20 years!

I'm fine with the E/K "nose touching", too. I'm an E/O friendshipper.


spook

He was the king of snarks, He is greatly missed.

Jesse L. Martin is HAWT. Just thought that I would throw that in there (even though sometimes his bug eyes scare me)

That girl he was partnered with, she would have been good with Logan

Yes he is, indeed! Last year my daughter got Rent for her birthday and watched it over and over and over. She can sing every song and recite every line. Jesse was great in it--good looks, dancing, singing, he's got it all.

I can't decide if my favorite team on L&O was Briscoe and Logan or Briscoe and Greene--LOVED Lennie with whatever partner he was with. I liked Benjamin Bratt, too--just not as much as Noth and Martin.

I agree. I think that they were both great partnerships. Come to think of it, I don't know which is my fav either. I would love to say Lennie and Mikey...but Lennie and Ed was good, too.

You want me to post a requiem for Jerry Orbach on the SVU board? No problem. Any particular thread or should I start a new one?

No the sunken e/o ship. I would tell you to post it in the shipper thread, but that wouldn't be nice, so post it in the paternity thread.

From the Law & Order original series - a professor accidentally killed an older professor's wife with a letter bomb while trying to kill the husband. He was angry because the older professor had stolen his discovery. It was discovered by the dectives (Lenny & the guy who now appears on CI every other week - that's him, right?) that the younger homicidal professor had discovered a way to measure proton decay. He could actually measure the decay of matter - and he referred to the machine that did so as, "A radio for talking to God."

About in the middle of the show, the younger guy turns to Lenny and says, "If all matter will eventualy decay, then . . . does any of this matter? Even this case?"

I'm not sure what Lenny said to that, but it sure is an interesting question. We've recently discovered something that may cure cancer and we can burn seawater by unzipping the polar hydrogen bond and releasing the hydrogen and oxygen . . . but can we prevent all matter from falling apart?

Not bound to happen for many eons . . . but what a concept!!!

Gotcha!! I'll head on over and do so right now.

OK jcsavestheday, I just posted on the SVU board. I'll check back in a while for responses.

where? I didn't see it.

Let me look and I'll get back to you.....

Proton decay . . . death of the universe.

Why does it seem that, at our base foundation - women are attracted to ambition and plumage, and men are suicidal (macho death wish)? Well, boyz r dum, girlz r dumb. People that refuse to grow up usually are.

That whole proton decay plus dark energy (antigravity) entropic heat-death of the universe is a trip. Very weird. Weird mon, aye.