Hey there,

there are some things that repeatedly come up in many fanfictions but I don't remember them being mentioned on the show.

1) the thing with Bobby and his many partners... did they mention sometime on the show that he had a lot of partners who couldn't work with him? I only remember the letter from ITWSH and of course the Bishop-desaster but still... maybe Eames was his first partner after all (at least in Major Case).

2) the we-may-not-be-involved-or-we'll-get-separated-policy. I know it would make sense but is that really true?

there were some more but I can't think of them now. I find it interesting how some things seem to start in one fanfic and others "adopt" them, like Eames' coffee addiction.

I have a few:

1) When did Eames and Goren exchange keys? I don't remember this actually happening, yet I've read it a lot.

2) Bobby as a playboy. We know that he's dated and had relationships, but why is Bobby portrayed as a borderline Mike Logan (al la mothership)

3) Bobby as socially/romantically inept, the extreme of the playboy angle.

4) Bobby as having no friends, or Lewis being his only friend.

I can sort of answer number 2. I know in the military when you are partnered with someone you can't be romantically involved or you will get seperated. Also, as for working situations, i believe, that if you get married, you can't have your partner be higher up than you. Like at my work that is how it is, We have Team Leaders and Team Memembers and you can't be married and under eachother cause it leads roam for special treatment or raises.

From what i've heard there is no actual "fratenization rule" for partners in the NYPD. However there are rules against captains dating their subordinates.

As for bobby having numerous partners...i think people just assume he's had numerous partners because he is "an acquired taste" and can be hard to work with. If eames (who seems like a patient person) couldn't deal then who else would. Whether it's true or not -- nothing like it has ever been mentioned on the show that i'm aware of.

Many of the ways bobby is protrayed in fanfic bother me. He either seems to be an inept, whimpering basket case or as jc said a "playboy." personally i think there is evidence that he has dated and even had long term relationships in his life, but just judging from his childhood i would gather he would probably have some issues with commitment/abandonment which would make it hard to maintain relationships. Technically i guess this is a myth, but there are some scenes in the series you could use to argue. Like the scene from Art with Irene where she tells him he had his chance. But i think he respects women too much to be an all out womanizer.

I also forgot about the scotch swiling drunkard, who takes advantage of Alex and has no real feelings for her.

I've read several stories with that scenario. A horny, drunken bobby showes up at Eames' place. Eames allows him to take advantage of her because she carries a torch for him and has such low self esteem that she thinks that is the only way she can have him.

1. The only time I saw any exchange of keys was in siren call, when Bobby gave Eames the keys to drive the car.

2.3. He seems at ease when talking to women, beautiful and sucessful women. He has talked about a girlfriend named Lola and then there is Irene. He also dated someone named Denise. So he must be comfortable enough to date, but I don't see him as a womanizer. I think because of how his dad treated his mom, he would never treat a woman that way.
4. Bobby has mentioned a Rabbi friend, and other friends with different occupations to fit what ever they needed. So I think he has other friends, now as his mothers conditioned worsened he probably didn't socialize as much, and spent all his extra time with her. But I am sure there are old Army buddies out there some where.

I believe that there is a policy in the NYPD that doesn't allow partners to date...I believe that they can't work in the same unit...

Wow I had no idea about some of these ideas in fanfics (admittedly because I wrote a few a long time ago, I kind of made it a policy not to read other CI fics so as not to accidentally steal others's ideas).

waldkind's 'Bobby and his [potentially] many professional partners' or an NYPD 'we-may-not-be-involved-or-we'll-get-separated-policy' make some kind of sense to me both as canon or fanfic.

I can also marginally buy Goren as an emotional basket case if you write the hurt/comfort line of shipper fic (I don't see that line myself but I've seen it written reasonably well)

But Eames and Goren exchanging keys (unless it's a strictly friends thing)? Bobby as a playboy/borderline Mike Logan, Bobby as socially/romantically inept, Bobby as having no friends but Lewis, or Bobby as a Scotch swiller (which in real life is an expensive attorney drinking habit)??? You got me there...I don't get that.

The Vault

i don't either, vault.

I never found Bobby that terrible as a partner, not even to Bishop. I bet there are much worse partners, especially when partnered with a woman, so this "you are the only one who can cope with me" always bothered me. I just thought, maybe this was mentioned on the show somewhen. (is that a word? somewhen? guess not... sometimes??) How long have they been partners anyway? Since 2000 I guess (I think Alex said in TWSH she wrote the letter 5 years ago and that was in 2005)

I've read several stories with that scenario. A horny, drunken bobby showes up at Eames' place. Eames allows him to take advantage of her because she carries a torch for him and has such low self esteem that she thinks that is the only way she can have him.
oh I hate that! I am actually astonished how much they drink in fanfics. Maybe it is more common in the US but people their age shouldn't drink that much.

we also don't know the name of Eames's nephew, right? I wondered because I think among the many names he got "Nathan" was mentioned quite often. Or maybe it was always the same writer

Yeah, the drinking cracks me up. Normal people don't drink that much.

Reading this thread makes me glad that I don't read fanfic. No offense.

Agreed Bubba...I was wondering why it was here

after all it is *fanFICTION*..people can make them do anything they want... mostly pent up desires and fantasies of thier own...

*bug*

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I agree that it's fiction and I like that, just with some things that were mentioned in fanfic so often I wondered if they were mentioned on the show and I just missed them.

Did Bobby ever date Barek. I don't remember this happening, yet I keep reading it in stories, so I thought that I would check, just in case I missed something.

I keep reading that too. I'm not sure where it comes from either. I know I've read more than one by different authors.

I'm glad to know that I'm not crazy...I keep on reading it...and I don't want to believe it but I keep on reading it...I don't know when or how it could of happened...but I keep on reading it...so I wonder what I missed...if anything

I don't get this argument of *did this ever happen* or *was this ever mentioned* when you compare the series to fanfiction... that's why it's called *fiction*.. I don't think it's necessary to take from the series .. well anything.. in fan*fiction*.. it doesn't have to jive together.. that's the whole idea.. making the characters do what the fiction writer wants them to do.. not necessarily what is *normal* for them to do in the show.

*bug*

Barek never dated Goren on the show--in fact, they barely interacted. I confess to a one of those fanfics where he dated her.

Patcat

I really enjoy your fanfics!!

I'm not saying what I had to say like it is a bad thing at all. Really it's more for reference. If something is canon I want to know where it came from so if I choose to write a story with that fact in there then I don't mess it up.

I actually thought about having Goren and Barek interact in a story that I'm working on. Something like that is important to know because it adds to the complexity of the story.

ITA that fan fic is called fiction for a reason, and it bothers me when people freak when something dosen't totally follow the cannon.

I think that I read the story that you're talking about. Can't remember the title, but it was very good. It was either by you or obsessedwithstabler...I can't remember. Nevermind.

You know I could see that relationship working. wouldn't that be something if out of the blue the two been dating all this time.

One of the ones obsessedwitstabler wrote that mentions Bobby and Barek dating is called "How Could This Happen to Me" though there may have been others. (I haven't read all of her CI stuff.)

That's it. It seems like I may have skimmed a few others.

Personally, I can't really see Barek and Bobby together. She seems too boring for him.

Rather than start a new topic:

What are some fanfic stereotypes? (for instance things that always seem to happen in stories)

Goren and Eames doin' the horizontal tango. ;-PPPPP


spook

I can take that a step farther: it's always like wild monkey lovin'. and it's always the supposed release of (however many years they have been partners) tension.

And sometimes it's after Goren supposedly "breaks", or "cracks", and she brings him back with that hot monkey lovin'. ;-)

Or one of them gets drunk and has their way with the other. ;-P

I bail on stories with sex, but sometimes I've read into them a ways before it happens.

spook

I bail on the porn stories, too.

I tink its funny when the monkey lovin' is all tey do when they realize that they have feelings for each other. I don't understand that. I would think that if they were ever to get together, that would be the last thing that they would do, not the first. Bobby just dosen't seem like that kind of guy to me.

Another thing that I see a lot is Alex being a ho (or bobby being a man ho). I don't understand that either. I understand that its fiction, but I guess that I like to get inside the characther's head and understand why they're doing what they're doing. I would read a Ross/Eams shippy story, if it was clear why they were getting together. I like to write stuff that goes against conventional ideas, but explains them and makes it plausible. I'm not a Ross/Eames or a Logan/Eames shipper, but I would like to think that I could write a story in which it would be believeable that they would get together.

They made a cute couple in Mr. Wonderful.

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Or where they have to go undercover as a couple and they realize that they are made for each other.

Yer right, *jc, Bobby would be wanting to talk about all the things they have in common. :-)

Yipes! I've never read a story where either character is a "ho", perhaps the summaries scare me away! ;-)


spook

can't foget that. Sexual tension stories...I read one one time, that probably would have been good, if I weren't so prudish about such things.

I think a little sexual tension can go a long way. I don't mind a little in a story as long as it isn't rammed down my throat. A think you can even have sexual tension in a non-shipper story if you do it right. I'm afraid to do it, personally. It can make a story cliched.

As a friendshipper but not a "boinking" <g> shipper, I think UNresolved sexual tension goes a long way in a drama. If you "resolve" it, the show could become a soap opera.


spook

hey, you stole my thread

some more stereotypes:

- Bobby plays with some of Alex' nephews and he is ooh-so-cute-and-lovable. maybe the also-very-cute-but-cheeky-kid will bring them together somehow (don't get me wrong, I adore kids, I'm a Godmother and Nanny, but I'll never read a fanfic with a kid playing a major role)

- they fight and in the heat of the moment tear off each other's clothes

- one of them gets hurt and the other has to take care of them. or worse, one of them dies. or gets kidnapped by Nicole

- they have to go to a reunion together

- often, one of them or both crie when they declare their mutual love. Or cry for other reasons. Just cry a lot.

-usually Bobby will whine that he is no good for Eames

- and of course the boinking (yeah, I do read M-rated storys if they are well written and have a good storyline) is always amazing

- Logan and Barek act as ... uhm... don*t know the word for that... matchmakers?? I actually like that stereotype

-and sometimes Alex' eyes are described as blue. I'd agree that they might look greenish sometimes but in fact they are brown. But all those writers probably only have eyes for Bobby (understandably )


oh and if I waited 7 years for someone I think I could just leave the talk for later. Really. I'd definitely want to snog them senseless first (snog, not shag, mind you

and what is a ho??

Ho is short for whore, otherwise known as a female who has enjoyed the company of many men in very intimate ways.

Ah, the things we learn on the boards.

Perhaps I should have posted this in the "LOCI is Educational" topic. Here are two challenges: What is a street pharmacist? What is the definition for "brick?"

oh okay. Not a nice word to say about someone I'd not even call a prostitute that.

yeah, TV is incredibly educative, I learned "boink" from Moonlighting and find it really funny that it is still in use 20 years later Honestly, I've learned most of my vocabulary from TV and fanfiction LOL.