we all just having fun

but sometime we need shipping episodes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we wanted 9 seasons!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, we're getting 10.

you have no idea how much I agree with you. Hear that person calling out from across the pacific ocean? That's me saying "hell yes". There's no leeway, or concession or understanding when talking to a non-shipper. Granted, not all of them are like that, but the majority don't like to think Elliot would be attracted to anyone outside of Kathy. Reasons beyond my knowledge.

There's this whole thing about Elliot not leaving his wife cause he's a family person. Ok. I get that. But sometimes the person you marry isn't the person you're meant to be with, and it might take 20 years of marriage to realise that. It happens more often than people think. And jumping the shark they may say? The amount of times the writers have done that already is incredible.

Now, I don't know if any of you have read Ropes by MaddyM, but she really is the master of writing canon El and Liv. She's just...incredible. Anyway, in her fic she uses all these examples of tv shows where the protagonists have ended up together. One in particular where it's practically the mirror image of SVU, is Without a Trace. We can all agree that this is a drama in the same mould as SVU, kiddies and all. Anyway, the main characters (male and female) are 'partners', but not really cause it's like the FBI. But the male (Elliot?) has an affair with his female partner (Olivia?) despite the fact that he has a wife and kids. Said wife and kids leave him, but by the time he figures out he wants her, she has a fling with another Fed (Porter?). I'm not sure how it all resolved, but I'm just illustrating how affairs, broken marriages and the such happen all the time. Sometimes, people need to wake up and realise that if it's going to get viewers (benson/stabler potential relationship is a big drawcard) to watch the show in droves. Can you imagine after 10 years of sexual tension, they start advertising that El and Liv are going to get together. Not only will you have shippers and their friends tuning in, you'll get those curious to see what happens. And these sorts of people make up a large number of the population.

Just as an aside, Ratings for Fault (Liv/El lovey dovey lol) and Burned (advertised as the episode where Elliot and Olivia would finally act on their feelings) were both the highest rating SVU episodes ever in Australia.

Oh my God mrslee! I LOVE MaddyM's stories! And I love "Ropes." She writes the best E/O. I loved it during "Ropes" when she was comparing Elliot and Olivia to other TV characters. Esp. Mulder and Scully. But I loved the Without A Trace reference too b/c I love that show.

Hahaha. That's funny you brought that up. Did you read the newest chapter yet?

As far as shippers arguing w/ non-shippers, what can I say? I don't think we'll ever see eye-to-eye on anything regarding E/O. It does suck when you feel like they just have to prove you wrong no matter what, but all I can say is stick to the hope that one day you can prove them wrong too

I have read "Rpoes" and she does an amazing job with the not out of character to Elliot and Olivia. I'm pretty sure "fault" was rated one of the highest in the US too. I mean think about it. Today marriages are not staying together. I know plenty of people that are religous, 2 of then Catholic, married at least 10 years, with children who have been divorced and re married. Or they just stayed divorced. It took a baby to get him to go back home finally. I was going to go back home in one of the episodes last year, but he never did until he slept with Kathy. She begged Olivia to get Elliot to sign the papers, now she begging Elliot to come home? I mean I'm confused. What if the baby isn't even Elliot's? Then what will happen?

Hopefully, that day will be tommorow.The whole Bean Delivia thing is starting to get on my nerves. ugggh

I am not an E/O shipper, but the whole Bean/Delivia thing is driving me nuts too...

Haha, Irisheyes, you make me laugh. Driving you crazy in a bad way, or hurry up and get it over with way?

I think its driving her crazy in a bad way. I mean sure the thought of the two is cute and I think that Olivia and Dean would make a cute couple, well...not as much as Olivia and Elliot of course, but I am getting sick of someone bringing the coupling up in every flippen thread I read; especially the episodes threads. It's driving me nuts as well.

*whispers* I agree. And I really don't like Dean. I tried, believe me.,

so why do everyone think elliot is not the father?

just asking

Hahah. I know Im both a PB&J shipper and an E/O shipper, but sometimes it gets really annoying when all you hear about in the episode discussions is the shipper possibility. I'd rather do it in the shipper thread where it belongs. I'd rather talk about whether Elliot and Olivia are gonna get together or not in the next episode in this thread where it belongs than in the episode discussion thread.
Anywho.....sorry for the rant. : ]
Hopefully Blinded will be a good E/O episode like Fault was.


I read your fic and it was uber good. I forgot to review, but I'll have to when I have time k?

I know he better be the father or .

Why thank you. Leave a review when you can, that's fine.

So E/O in this eppy?

That's what most of us are hoping for.

hasn't the episode aired yet? Or has it aired on the east coast only?

Its going to come on in like and hour and 18 minutes for me cause its like 7: 42 here.

Only? Wow. The time differences never fail to surprise me. It's Wednesday afternoon already here, but it's only Tuesday evening there. Far out, it throws you off.

LOL.

Heheh. Wow that must be diffucult. So for me its on in 2h and thirty minutes I think, I cant wait.

Dang, you got a long wait.

I know poor me! Its ok though cause I watch House before and that makes me happy.

That's good. Shippers our hope has died in the Eppy.

that was a good episode not enough shipper but the episode on 11-27-07 will have a lot of shipper in it

you talking about Paternity? I don't see it being shippery. Unless you've heard something I haven't, LOL. Blinded sounds incredibly shippy though. Am i wrong?

Yeah from what I read about 'Blinded' from all of you, it seems to have been a shippy episode, so I'm super excited to watch it. I though that Elliot gets angry at Olivia in 'Paternity'????

Elliot gets angry at Olivia a lot, so that's to be expected.

I swear to god if Elliot doesn't start showing more love for Olivia I'm going to send the poor woman a razor blade and tell her to get it over with. Is anybody else as frigg'n depressed as I am about this!!!!!? That or for gods sake bring in Dean, but this whole - waiting for Elliot/keeping it single/pining from afar thing is getting old and SAD!

OY. I'm really disappointed. I mean, there were some ambigious moments between Casey and Olivia hinting at Olivia's feelings for Elliot and then that one sort of Olivia reflection/stare at Elliot and Kathy through the glass. But Elliot is so into Kathy and his life. I feel like if the writers aren't going to make Elliot feel something for Olivia soon, that Olivia is just going to become this sad old maid of a character, and I am really not liking this idea. My god, this episode should have been about them and it wasn't. It was about Casey bringing her personal life into the case. And Olivia's personal issues were like a small side dish. But not even a good side dish. Like a cold sugary mess of bad canned apples side dish. Like the rubbery broccoli at Boston Chicken side dish. BOO cry sigh!

I am the last person to want to say this, but.......I think EO is dead. Neil Bear has killed EO, yet he is still using it to make us watch the damn show. Is anyone else as upset by this as I am? After tonight my feelings on EO have completely changed. I think it's a lost cause. God I don't want it to be, and maybe I'm being negative. I have had the longest hardest most exhausting ten days of my life, hence why I've not been on the board (god I missed you guys), so maybe that has effected my EO faith, but I am really starting to think that there will never be a romantic EO moment. Hell- I'm starting to think that there will never be a moment of EO eye contact after this episode. It's like the writers finally wrote physical contact into the script, but the directors made damn sure not to have their faces even remotely near eye contact. It was like hugging...while looking at the guy down the street. It was like hugging while thinking about laundry. It was pathetic.

Although, I will give mariska some huge f-ing props for those tears she pulls throughout the whole episode. That did make up for some of the lack of Elliot love in this damn eppy. That and I've been in film classes now for 10 days and after the first two takes it is damn mother fracken hard to make yourself cry. And exhausting. I never knew. Try it. It's not a peice of cake. It's like- OKAY- my ducks are dry, can we take a break and come back in ten. No- well farquad- how about those eye droppers, cause I'm emotionally drained...done..... - fineto.

ANYWAY! OT

The last thing that is kind of annoying me the most about this episode, is that I can see them adding open ended hints of EO, but it's so broad that it could mean just about anything. They're using the EO as propiganda. It's not there for the story anymore, it's there to placade us. If the show was still good I wouldn't need them to throw me a bone, I'd be satisfied by the story. But there is no story. Well, at least not the story they advertized. The preview was all about EO, but the episode was all about Casey. It was so misleading.

Then it's written in such a vague manner that you could basically get the entire EO story from the preview. And they do this why? In order to please everybody. Poop on that! It's one way or the other but I don't believe in bi. No offense. I have nothing wrong with experimental relations, but when you get down to it- there's only one way to blow- SO let's pick one already Neil!!!!! They are keeping the personal lives so WIDE OPEN it's like a bad mind job. Literally, mouth on cranium. And Blow! That's very slobbery.

You know what I'm saying here people? Are you with me on this? Or am I'm being irrational?

Stupid Kathy!

ACK I'm just upset. Somebody make me see the EO light again- I need guidance. Pray for my shattered soul for my imagination no longer has the strength to fill in the EO blanks. Jeezzzz us Crimminey, I think it's pathetic that I have to write fanfiction because the real writers aren't giving me enough. I should want to write fanfic because it's fun, not because I'm unsatisfied!!!!!!!

On top of all of this EO sadness- I'm in NYC and I can't go see SVU being taped because the writers are on strike ( yeah I was supposed to get a little on set fun day- That got shat on real quick) and I can't go see any of the shows I was suppose to see, because the F-ING STAGE HANDS are on strike! Basically, every body is on strike for more pay, except for the actors, and in my opinion the only people NOT getting paid enough- ARE the actors! Well, Marish gets paid just fine, but I'm talking about the poor hard working broadway actors. In comparison to film they really do get paid crap. At any rate, NYC is useless to me at the moment! ANNNDDDDD Neil Bear is a liar! ANNNNNND I've got cramps! And my neck is out of place! The wolrd is a vampire and I suck!

Hate to put a damper on your EO moment, but "Blinded" was .....not what it was advertised to be. Yes, there were a few moments, but it laked so much chemistry and meaning that it might as well have been tossed out with the trash. So disappointing. Like I said in my long reply. EO is dieing. God I feel like somebody Elected John Kerry to write EO for us and he lost. It's like bad bad dejavu. We need a stronger EO writer in the house. Maybe during the strike those hoe bags at the corperate office will fire a few people and re-hire some chumps with an eye for EO.

ok, when I finally had a glass of water cause I was laughing so much, I locked myself in the study so I could laugh some more.

Anyway, I feel so disappointed right now. Not just for the EO, but for the EO fans. I'll just ask real quick, do you remember the beginning of season 7? I do, and there was absolutely no, no, no EO moments. None. Nada. So, I say wait it out a little bit more. I think the reason we're so fustrated is because season 8 and the end of season 7 was so full of EO moments and we come to season 9 with this expectation for it to continue and it doesn't. It just went about twenty steps back actually. Sigh.

But then again, this could all be the producer and writers ploy for the past four years. Do you think for season 6,7,8 they were misleading us all so terribly if they were going to have it end in the opposite? There's every chance that they are....but....I dunno. Remember that there's an entire other season for them to get to. They're not going to waste their best material for a filler season.

If EO happened now, what happens for the next season and a half? If EO was to happen, I don't think it would be an established relationship cause it's against so many rules. They wouldn't be allowed to work together anymore, and they rely on the Stabler/Benson dynamic to keep the show afloat. In my opinion, it would only happen right at the very end and only for a couple of episodes if that. I can't imagine them trying to establish an EO coupling on the show for more than that, otherwise they'll begin to detract from the storylines.

But here's my issue, the storylines are so crappy that I'd rather they didn't get them together anyway. And that depresses me cause I've loved the Benson/Stabler chemistry. It's like, the previews are for EO shippers, but the show has NO EO moments except the little excerpts they have in the previews. And that sucks cause they're taking advantage of a large percentage of loyal viewers. I would totally be happy for Elliot and Kathy to stay married (behind the scenes) if Elliot and Olivia were at least civil to each other.

Bring back making coffee for each other, sharing lunches, arm nudges, jokes, smiles and ACTUAL CONVERSATION please. I beg of you.

EXACTLY! I really miss the banter and the playful acknowledgement. That's really what I miss and what depresses me. I just have to be pateint. They have to change the characters in order to change the relationship, so I'm hoping somethign big will happen from these changes. I think the reason why I can't see it right now is because Elliot is in another world with Kathy at the moment. It's like Olivia is invisible or a punching bag. Casey brings up Olivia to Elliot at his house. Elliot almost makes fun of her. He's on that fine line of putting down her help and her support. God it was so crushing. I realize that they can't bring the EO in for many factors, but I would just like some positive moments.

The touching thing about the episode was the pain in Olivia's eyes. There were several moments that were "AH" god you just wanted to cry for her. Even when Elliot trips at the end and she catches him. You can just see her wanting so desperatly to be his everything because it's so easy for her. It's effortless for her to be his equal half. But again- even in that moment they never look at each other. Granted he was blind in some of this episode, but in that scene his eye sight was better He would have been able to look at her in a normal fashion at that close distance.

Ah- Laura I've been hanging out with Aussies all week, I totally just read this post with an accent. makes the whole thing different! hehehehehehe! Aussies.

*sigh*I need EO baddd. I'm dying over here peoples! If we don't get EO in the next couple of months, I'll die. *not really but you get what I'm saying right?*

ETA: In Annihilated, did Elliot sleep over right after he did the dirty thing with Kathy or did he leave right after??? I forgot.

The bastard left. And all of the non-shippers can throw in their two cents about having to leave before the kids woke up, but I still have an odd taste in my mouth from that episode. I feel like it was done for the wrong reasons. He did it because he felt bad for the wife who got murdered and he didn't want to leave Kathy with the same bitterness that that other woman had. And then some of the angry interogation moments after this sex scene were a little nuts. I feel like Elliot was still holding a lot of distrust and anger towards kathy even after the sex. That interrogation is lined with Kathy trust issues.

Scar, thanks for writing my post for me. LOL Seriously, all your thoughts about the episode, and not just what's quoted above, ALL of them, are how I felt about the whole thing.

I kept waiting for Casey to say something when she and Liv were doing their little argument thing in Casey's office. But nope, nothing.

Glad I'm not the only one who wanted to shed some tears for Liv.

OK... SO Blinded... OMG.. I wanted to cry for olivia... she is so in love with him and she was like going to cry when he couldnt see.. and like how she was stikcin up for him and protecting when casey wanted to put him on the stand.. OH So much love... I love it so much =) All we need to do is knock kathy out the picture haha... but yeah, that eppy was amazing... come cute E/O ness ... not much, but im hoping to see more this season =)

What exactly does Casey say to Elliot when she goes to his house?

I felt bad for Liv, but Casey did want to ask Olivia why are you caring so much for him.You can easily tell that Liv does have some feelings for Elliot.He looked so cute n smart in glasses.

What I don't understand is how people can say that Olivia is in love with Elliot and how it's wrong. What do you expect?!? Shes been with him for nine years and he said it himself people "he's the longest relationship she had with a man". It just blows my mind when non shippers don't understand how she could love him. I would put my comment somewhere else but I don't want to get bashed for it, so here it is.

OMG Im fraking gasping for air I was laughing uber hard! Jeez are your postts are just utterly humorous and great. I agree with EVERYTHING you fraking said. Oh bejeebers....
Whew....

the day will come about how they feel about each other friends or more than friends

Oh, hey, I'm back. =] Sorry, I'm tending to my cow. Right now she's eating strawberry ice cream. She's so cute! She'll be visiting us here on the boards =]

*Gasp!* I just had an epiphany here people! Do we have a E/O mascot?!?
I know on the TV.com threads the PB&J mascot is the dancing banana whose name is Boogie.
But do we have a mascot?

OMG! I am laughing so much right now I can't even breathe *gasping for air*. Scar I just worked out how to help you make yourself cry when your acting. Just read your post again, and you'll be laughing so much that you'll start to cry. Seriously I never cry when I'm laughing but I just did. You crack me up.lol

Jenni I don't think we have an E/O mascot, we should definitely get one, any ideas people. We need to keep the EO alive.

Well bring on the snarky comments, b/c I think you guys are seriously delusional about Elliot and Olivia.

As I've said many times, I am a total shipper and I'd love for something to happen b/w them. I'd even settle for a friendly hug. But pretty much every episode after "Fault" ruined any hope of if ever happening. And now Elliot has another kid on the way and while I might hate myself for agreeing w/ Hisgirl, Elliot has always been a family man. I mean, he loves them more than anything I think, and I doubt he'd do anything now to jeprodize that.

And I think Olivia has some pretty serious mental issues going on right now. I highly doubt she'd even be stable w/ her own hand, let alone a man. Her character has been waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy off since "Haystack" and there hasn't really been any sign that she's coming around anytime soon. HOWEVER, I will say that I disagree w/ the razor comment that Scar or whoever made b/c that seems a little more harsh than anything I might have just said.

I think Olivia was just more concerned that Elliot was seriously injured this time and that is why she had that anguished look on her face in the hospital room. Not b/c she was jealous of the fact that Kathy was there with him. Olivia is his partner and I think it'd fit w/ her character (at least the old Olivia we use to love) that she'd be worried about Elliot in a time of crisis.

All this being said, I still want for something to happen w Elliot and Olivia. I won't completely give up hope. Not yet. But right now I think the outlook isn't so good. If you guys want some serious hardcore EO you should check out svufiction.net and catch up on some stories by Maddy and Mousie.

Urgh. I think I feel a smackdown coming on..........

Why would we smackdown you? We're not delusional, and we realise that it'll be tough for EO (if not impossible) to happen. But it doesn't change what we know exists. And there are a lot of episodes left. I mean, we've only had eight episodes this season. We know Olivia and Elliot care for each other, but the writers have gone between 'more than partners' 'less than partners' for two seasons. It's crazy.

I think a lot of our angst has to do with uber crappy writing. It's like the writers have aboslutely no regard for the fans and they expect them to just keep watching. You know how I feel? I feel how I felt when I read Harry Potter 6. I was sooooo disappointed with it because the characters that JK had worked so hard to develop were absolutely crushed in 400 pages. And this is obvious in the way that the writers have all of a sudden done a 180 with the character of Olivia. First six season she's strong and independent, and now she's all weak and reliant on Elliot. Who, by the way, is not going to be there forever if he stays with his family. So the writing needs to pick up. The writers on strike need to regroup while they're on their break and read what we're saying on these forums and realise that we're on our wit's end:

They need to decide if Olivia is going to un-crazy herself, let go of Elliot and move on.

They need to figure out a way to make it seem as though Elliot went home for Kathy rather than out of obligation.

They need to get the balance right.

They need to have Elliot and Olivia to look at each other in the eyes at least once an episode. As far as I've heard, Benson and Stabler are barely even civil to each other anymore. If it's because they're afraid it'll imply more than a partner relationship, or if it's by accident. I dunno...but it needs to end. I'd rather season 3,4,5,6 relationship than this non-partnership that exists at the moment.

They need to bring Munch back.

Phew...over my rant.

I'll end by letting you know that I'll update Lies sometime tomorrow/Saturday with chapter 6 of Lies.

It was a frigg'n joke. I can't help it I like dark comedy. It's just my style. I can't change what I am people. If it offends you then ignore it.

On the other hand- to the people that have gotten a good laugh from my insanity- thank you- I'm always down for a good hardy laugh! LOL!

And as for all of hte EO delusions....I agree with Mrslee. And will also add that- all you need is love. Even if the over all intention is not for El and Liv to be "in love" the actors are still playing it that way. How do I k now this? Because A: that's what makes an amazing character relationship/ chemistry. B: I just took a class with 10 of the biggest casting directors in NYC- and almost every direction given to the actors was what are your intentions and add more love! And what is the harm in having a good time with the love relationship of these two characters? Why does everybody want to pooh pooh it? Big deal if we want the characters to kiss. If they don't life will go on- but if they do - SWEET Rosie O'Grady! Brign ont he cart wheels! It's kiss'n time.

Two words: Character Development.

Three more words: Keeping it fresh.

For whatever reason, fandoms have difficulty with these concepts. If Olivia and Elliot stayed the same as they had been for the first five seasons, this show would be just like the mothership. That's not a bad thing at all, but I think that they are trying to do someting different with it. With the mothership it was a constantly changing cast. SVU's thing is to add more people and to screw with the concept of who with we think the characters are. With CI it is to dig deeper into who the characters are. It's not bad writing; it's change.

In a sense I agree with you but in others I do not. Elliot has always been a family man. We all know it but the issue of him loving his family is not what I am seeing. Him loving his wife the way he used to is. The reason so many people think that Elliot is home out of obligation is because he was forced home by Kathy for the baby. I still question whether or not Elliot would have gone home if not for the baby. That's why the hope of Elliot/Olivia is still alive. I would be more apt to agree with Elliot meaning to be at home had it not been for the baby. I am just not convinced that he loves her the way he used to.

I agree. She's the one that hurt him anyway. I would imagine that it would be hard to love that person the same.