*raises hand*
Btw, I'm reading "I Fell in Love with the DJ" right now.

Ummm....can I raise both of my hands? That counts as two votes, right? LOL

Haha, okay. That was one of my early fics, so it's not wonderful.

Sure thing. *Raises both hands, drags passerby along and makes him raise both his hands, too* There we go. Four votes from me.

LOL I'd say that's not fair, but it's all for a good cause. So, who am I to argue? LOL

;D

Yeah it is! ;D I stole your smiley... except I use it often anyway. But I digress. No potential for E/O action in the next episode, right?

Sadly, no. ::sigh:: Not unless they come out of the blue and shock the heck out of us. And since I'm not really one for flights of fancy, I'd have to go with the no. Ah, well, at least we get to see them on screen together working a case. Only two more eps left and then we have to wait for around four months for a new episode. So I guess we should just count our blessings and relish all the new EO time we get.

my fanfic profile is here: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/312891/mrslee I just updated chapter 3 of Home, so check it out. It's an alternate view of Olivia's arrival home from Oregon.

Le gasp! You updated Home??? Where was I when this happened?

what is that delicious looking plate of goodies at the top of the page....

ladies...are we talking about chocolate again...

Lol! I updated Home a couple of days ago. It had been 3 weeks between 2 and 3....I apologise! I do! But I'm about 1/4 of the way through chapter 4! Yay!

Huh. *scratches head* Never got the alert. Straaaaaaange.

Maybe Greg ate it? Naughty Greg!

Lmao! Maybe he did. I think I forgot to feed him.

! Naughty naughty. Make sure you feed him regularly, or he won't tell you about chapter 4!

Yeah, well. We also have to say goodbye to our A.D.A. and a detective; supposedly, Lake is supposed to go off the deep end. Maybe there will be some EO with that.

This has been nagging me for awhile now from Closet...

Can someone please tell me why the heck the writers had Olivia keep Kurt a secret from Elliot and everyone? Why after dating for MONTHS, would she "not be ready" to mention her new boyfriend?? I mean, it HAS to be that she wasn't ready because Elliot is the man she really wants in her life. What other reason is there? She's in her 40s...it's not like she's a schoolgirl embarrassed about her new crush. If there is some explanation (other than that the writers are subtley throwing EO in our face and toying mercilessly with us), then I want to hear that other explanation.

Here's what I gleaned... In the TV Guide issue featuring SVU, there was a big article concerning the new episodes and Robin Williams, etc. One of Mariska's quotes was something along the lines of, "I don't think Olivia wanted to tell Elliot about the new man in her life, because when she looks at Elliot, it's like looking at a mirror. She sees the truth." Something like that. Basically, she knew that telling Elliot would be admitting that she's trying to move on, and it's not working. Check out the TV Guide article, if you can. I think it's on SpoilersTV.

or what i got from that quote, is that liv just started dateing again cuz she still hasent thrown the having a baby thing out the window, maybe she didnt want to el cuz that would just make her realize the only reason WHY she tried to stick with kurt in hoping that he would be the one, but she very well knew he wasnt......

Sweetness. Ususally I don't read WIPs, but for you I'm making an exception. Are you into feedback, or apathetic about it?

What do you mean "dating again"? Dating again since what? Did she stop dating for some reason? Was she not dating when she was trying to adopt?

[This is a genuine question, because I just started watching SVU a few weeks ago - and while I'm desperately trying to catch up thanks to USA and NBC re-runs...there is much I'm still missing out on...]

So I heard! It's going to be strange not having Casey there. But maybe it'll add some spice to the show. And I liked Lake, but he was just way too underdeveloped. I wonder what happened with that? They sign a new guy on, and he's rumored to have an interest in Casey, and then at the end of the season they get rid of both him and Casey? Who could've predicted that change in plans? LOL

Life is crazy. As for EO, I'm always hopeful...but guardedly so...I'm thinking we're going to get major Lake and Casey in the last ep, plus it's a cross-over so I wonder how much time we're going to get with the rest of the crew, let alone Liv and El. But, you never know. And the team is supposed to be tracking him down, or something like that, if I remember my spoilers correctly.

Sleuth is right. According to a TVG article that preceded the episode, the reason she didn't want to tell El is because she knew Kurt wasn't right for her, and that El would let her know...in some way. I suppose she was avoiding the truth and trying to go for the child/family she longs for. Although, when you put it like that, ("It's not like she's a schoolgirl...") it does seem a little funny that she didn't. But that is the explanation we got from them. We certainly didn't get it from the episode, did we? If it wasn't for the TVG article we wouldn't have even known why she was dating Kurt-or 3 minute man, as I like to call him.

oh well, ok as much as we know, it seems like her dateing life, seemed to stop from season 7 to now, so ya, you probably havent seen every ep

but to help ya out heres SVU eps:

http://www.fanpop.com/external/699482

Gosh! thank you! I couldnt explain myself correctly but i guess you just spoke for both of us! hehe.

Thanks for the link, and I love your siggy, BTW.

You and that link, Pinky.

So she dated fairly consistently up to season 7 and then stopped!? Lol, oh SVU...

Thanks for the link! I think my fiance said I could watch them online via Netflix too, but I'm planning on holding off on completely indulging myself until after finals...

Yeah, but Netflix... Eh, you have to pay for that. Not that I should say anything... I have seasons 1-6 on DVD.

Well, I'm already paying for 1/2 of Netflix, so I may as well use it for SVU! And trust me, I plan on adding the SVU dvds to my collection in good time. But Netflix should hold me over until then. I am living on student loans, after all.

Thanks to both of you. I guess that explanation is better than none at all. But I'm still not buying it.

We can only speculate about what the writers are thinking about when they write the episodes. We give it our best shot.

I had another thought. Their moment of passion or whatever is going to have to come about as the result of some harrowing death-defying experience. I feel like that is the only kind of moment where it'd be believable that Elliot would give in to his feelings.

But like I said before, he's got to realize he's not happy with Kathy and end that first!

yep its my favorite psalm out of the bible!!

thnx i like yours too

I am getting repetetive, maybe I should start making new ones

I think that would definitely be in character. And it could play out really nicely, if well-written.

So, what's your theory? If it implies EOness then you should share. And if it doesn't, you should still share. LOL

I like this fanfic. I love all fanfics from you *lol* You are really talented

I LOVE hearing what people think. It's what keeps me updating! lol. That and wanting to have EO making out at every opportunity.

Lol, well, my theory is filled with EO, so I shall share. I just think that it's too weird for the writers to make Olivia embarrassed or "not ready" to tell Elliot about her boyfriend of several months. It doesn't make sense to me that she wouldn't want to tell Elliot because Elliot would make her realize Kurt wasn't the one for her. Because 1) why would Elliot know that or tell her that, unless he was jealous (EO!); and 2) since when has Olivia not felt comfortable telling Elliot she was dating? Again, this is where my newbie-ness inhibits my theory development, because I'm not positive that Olivia has always been forthcoming about past relationships. However, my theory is that she hasn't had a problem dating or telling Elliot about her dating in the past. Look at the episode Starved where she goes undercover to bust a speed dating rapist -- she had no problem rubbing it in to Elliot that she was sure the guy was interested when he told her maybe she wasn't the guy's type. I'm sure there are other examples (perhaps ones that involve Olivia dating real men - not rapists), and maybe you long-time SVU fans can help me out with that.

Anyway, the theory goes that the only reason she'd have a problem telling Elliot about her boyfriend of several months is if she didn't want to tell him because she secretly loves him. (Mwahahahaha...) And she knows she can't be Elliot (that whole wife thing... ) but she doesn't want to admit that she's trying to let go of the idea of being with Elliot because he can see through her and he knows they have something more than friendship.

Okay, enough early morning rambling. I haven't even had my coffee yet, so I'm sorry if that didn't make sense. Perhaps I'll edit it later.

ill run into this board really quick to say that i just upadated a new story, post-web

and another story i added a second chapter, to a story i made for post undercover where el over hears liv talking to warner at the end,

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4231513/1/Tell_me

*runs back out of board*

In Countdown, Olivia and Elliot joke about her boyfriend Michael. Well, joke isn't the right word...he just tells her that she should come to him when she has to cancel on him again. She brings him up twice in conversation, and a third time when he calls the precinct.

The guy she was about to go on a date with in 911 was never really brought up again, there was the episode where Olivia comes to the crime scene in a dress from a date (but she met up with Fin, not Elliot), there was the guy in Contact who was a freak...but I don't think she really brought him up, there was her fling with Cassidy when Elliot pulls her aside to tell her to be careful with him cause he's totally whipped..umm....that's about it. I'm sure there are others that I've completely missed...but none others are coming to mind.

Your theory makes a lot of sense...or we're both equally as tired. Lol. Olivia said that she didn't tell Elliot because she wasn't ready. I don't think it had anything to do with the relationship with Kurt, I think it had everything to do with her relationship with Elliot. I know a friend (who shall remain nameless) who is pining for a guy we know who is in a long-term relationship. She has a boyfriend (and I use the term loosely) who she has because she doesn't want to be alone. But, if there's even a minute sign/signal/indication that she can get together with our mutual guy friend, her boyfriend will become nofriend. I know it's terrible...but sometimes, that happens. I don't condone what she's doing, but I can understand why (i sound like Munch...lol) she does it.

I've always felt that Olivia probably has more feelings for Elliot then he does for her, and that's SOLELY because of the wifey conundrum. He's been married a long time, since he was a kid basically. He's used to the routine of being married. He doesn't really know any better. I feel like he has a problem disassociating his wife and his kids as separate under the "family" umbrella. I think he needs to realise he can have his kids and be divorced and still function like a normal adult. But it'd be especially hard for him, he doesn't really know any other way. He needs to figure it out soon because she won't be around forever. Yummy, EO.

i do agree with you, elliot just seemed lost when the marriage failed, not because he didnt have kathy, but because he was lost, not coming home to a family, he had been doing it for what? the last 20 yrs, since highschool, he was in the hang of things and he didnt know how to function being single, i think thats why liv and el kind of detached, when he did, perhaps since they DID have the chance (except the job) but they just argued because thats the only way he knew how do handle it, i think liv and el are starting to go out for beers and eat lunch together because elliot is back with his family, he knows that something cant possibly happen because his family is the barrier between them, (it cant possibly be a relationship because i already have a wife and family waiting for me home)

in other words, just my opinion

oh and i absolutely LUV your fanfic

Amen, sistah! I agree completely. Except, maybe I'd qualify it and say that Olivia is probably more in touch with her feelings for Elliot (her Elliot dream in Oregon, anyone?) than he is in touch with his feelings for her. So maybe they care about each other the same amount, but he pushes those feelings away and walls them off more than Olivia thanks to the wifey conundrum, as you put it.

And, lol, you're so right, he doesn't know any better. But man, he needs to figure it out, because Olivia is so. much. better. for him than Kathy. Ahem.

Oh! And thank you so much for filling in some info about Olivia's dating past!

You know, in Closet, Olivia tells Elliot that she was sorry she didn't tell him about Kurt. Elliot gives her that half-smile, and says he's happy that she has someone... And then he slides in a, "You could have to me, at least." And then when he's at Kurt's office, convincing him to get Olivia's job back, just as he's about to leave, he mutters, "Nice to meet you." That's an obvious jibe to Olivia's heart; he was upset he didn't know. Now the non-shippers would be all, "He doesn't care, he just wants Olivia back so they can work." But he was obviously hurt (or at least affected) by the fact that Olivia had a boyfriend and he didn't know. Haha, that's just my take on Closet.

I'm with you 100% on that! That's exactly why Elliot said that, lol. He's such a smartass.

While we're going over past episodes... can we take a detour back to Paternity? I saw the episode, but I wasn't an SVU fan at the time, and didn't really know what I was watching. Does anyone know if Chris and/or Mariska did interviews about the hug in that episode? Because I would like to know if Mariska said anything about the emotions she was supposed to get out of Olivia after Elliot grabbed her. Her face said it all to me, but did they even try and offer some alternative explanation for how relieved/elated/shocked/couldn't breathe/in-love she looked?

They might have after episode interviews on NBC, if you want to check that out. Other than that, no, I haven't heard of any. Yeah, I'd say NBC is your best bet.

Sweet. Thanks for sharing.

Well, Elliot wouldn't actually have to say anything out loud. In fact, he might not. But they are so close and know each other so well that they don't need words. She would just know how he felt about it by being around him, observing him. They're that receptive to (so aware of) each other's emotions. That is part of the immense beauty of the intimacy of their relationship. Elliot knows her better than anyone on this earth, period. And he knows her tastes and I'm sure he has an idea of who would be best for her. (him! LOL)

But, otoh, there are things that speak against this. He met Kurt once. There's no way he could know anything substantial about him within a three minute period. So that would make him abysmally ill-qualified to determine whether or not he was truly good for Liv or not. No matter how well he knows Olivia.

Also, when I read that same TVG article, Neal Baer mentioned that he was competition for Elliot. I thought that was an interesting choice of words. At first I passed it off as competition as two strong males on the show taking the spotlight-if only for a few episodes (this is when we thought he was going to be in a 3-story arc). But when he only showed up for a few minutes in the episode that kind of blew that theory out of the water. So, now I'm wondering what Neal was talking about. I must have missed how he was 'competition' for Stabler, unless it was as a rival for Olivia's affections.

Another thing, there was also the whole way the confrontation scene played out. I thought it was strange that Elliot didn't come in and introduce himself right away as Olivia's partner and get to the point of why he was there. That would be the easiest, quickest and most obvious way to write that scene. But, they didn't do it that way. He just came in and said Kurt's name. And then Kurt gave us the information that he already knew who Elliot was from a picture Liv kept of the two of them together in her living room. Now, this may have just been written that way for some other reason and came across awkwardly. I don't know. I just found that whole scene flowed strangely. As if Kurt was to give us the idea that he sensed something deeper but unacknowledged there between them.






You've got an interesting point there. They've been together so long that it, again does seem strange that she wouldn't tell him after so many months. And as far as I know she's never deliberately hidden a relationship from Elliot. Not once. That's what makes the break in behavior a little odd. So, there's something different going on here than what's happened before. What that is specifically, I'm not sure.







I think they both secretly love each other. Elliot just has his family there to distract him from this truth. Olivia doesn't have anyone, so she has more time to examine her feelings, 'muddled' and 'complicated,' though they are.

That's a very insightful view. I'm so glad you shared it with us. Seeing their relationship through another's eyes helps me see aspects there that I might not have caught on my own. Great job explicating on no coffee.

One more thing, I just read that quote you have from Laura in your siggy. It's perfect.

Yes. I love the way you said that. She is trying to hide/run away from her feelings for him. In doing this I suppose she is hoping to stave off the simple, unalterable truth, but you can't run away from love-not this kind of love. You can't escape truth, no matter how far you run.






Very true. Being part of a family is all he's known for a great portion of his life. Which is why he seemed so lost when Kathy left him. I felt so horrible for him. Especially when we got so much insight into his pain in "Ripped." I loved that episode. One of the best Elliot-centered episodes in the series.