Hey, not sure where to post this but... I had to share.
I was honored with USA Fan of the Week for Nov 8th! I am so excited I could burst. Now why does that sound weird? Unfortunately I didn't get to meet him, like the other fan who posted here. Maybe that should have been a door prize??? My luck I would stand there like a fool, not saying anything or worse yet faint and land at his feet. Okay, maybe landing at his feet wouldn't be a bad thing if he helped me get back up! HA!
Thanks for letting me post.

congrats

Hey, congrats! I think there's a thread (prolly on the last page) for... "So you think you should be fan of the week?" or something like that.


spook

Go ahead and burst.

It feels good!!

Gross!!

I thought he told Cragen he wasn't molested, that he almost was. But I could be mistaken.

I'vre read it both ways. I do know the thing about the friend for a fact. Maybe the firend tried to do it, but it didn't happen. I'll have to wait for DefenderOfMen to correct me as she has all of the Logan seasons on DVD.

I spent the last half hour looking for the DVD but I just can't find it. But I've seen the episode several times and from what I can remember Mike says that the priest propositioned him but he didn't realize it at the time. So, I assume nothing happened. And I remember he talked to Cragen about it like you said, Jryan. But then at the end he confronts the priest and says "We called you father". Sorry I can't be more definate until I figure out where I put the DVD.


And here's a few more pics from "The Stand". Beware, they are sorta creepy.









Oh, and in the second half he sings. He has a pretty nice voice too. But it was just weird. *Shudder*

Those pix were pretty weird and creepy, too. Yipes!


spook

I wish I could put up sound clips for when he sings and worse, when he laughs. I'm just so used to seeing him as mild mannered Captain Deakins.

the power of comcast is yours.

those pictures scare me. Even more than Chris' Joker smile.

Sorry. I hope I haven't ruined Deakins for everyone. :S

Oh my Goodness (she says picking jaw up form floor), just realized that it is the guy who played Deakins in those photos.. did not even recognize him with all the hair and all that...Freaky. I am going to have to have an G&T now.... and it is not even midday!!!

Cloggs

If he wasn't so . . . leering (just seems a little George Bush with the smirk thing) he could have been regal in that role. Truly representing the beasts instead of just the slimy side of humans (recent roommates on the cosmic callendar.) If he'd just raised an eyebrow and shown some nobility . . . but Steven King has always been a little shallow with his characters - going for more of a characature than a real person because of his clownish immaturity. That's why Randal Flagg is so scary.

King tries to be strong and righteous with his work - but can't do it - when you know the Devil would at least try and be professional and thus regal at least one day a week. Steven is not providing an adequate defense for his argument. Karma broke King's leg just like Arnold Schwarzenegger but left him alive. Maybe he'll take this opportunity to grow and then he'll create art with depth as well as beauty.

EDIT: I'm totally not being elitist. I've seen, "The Stand" about 6 times - have read it, and I've read lots of his other stuff. He does have a gift. I just don't like his interpretation of the Devil.

I voted for Arnold twice. It's too bad he got hurt. I . . . think most people on this board like Arnold - they probably just think he should listen to his wife more. She's a Kennedy, after all - and if he'd be her rubber stamp once in a while when it comes to pacifist and feminist issues he would be a quite . . . satisfactory mature, responsible public servant.

In my church (LDS), they taught the males to do the wife's dishes at least three times a week. I've always believed all men should know how to cook and clean house in case of pregnancy. The wife will be craving strange things - so the kitchen will have to be open as she lays bedridden.

That is awesome. Your girl WINS.




Hey hey! I was wondering if our new FOTW was a board member or not. Welcome to the party.
We don't bite or anything. Honest. We're all just a little whack-job.

Welcome to the party indeed.

way up on this page of posts there was a question of whether Logan was molested by the priest.. he was not.. his friend tried to recruit him and got a punch in the face for his efforts...Logan felt guilty for not being able to stop what was happening to his friend.

Parcher... in the *stand* I think the devil was represented in a way he would garner no respect..so there would be no misunderstanding... I don't think the devil himself would have any empathy for anyone...and would gather his strength and power over people the easiest way possible... in order to get the most diciples in the quickest time.. greed... it usually works.. and did in this case as well.

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Well, at my worst (most vengefull heh) I'm only worshiping the feminine side of Christ and not the Devil so . . . sure I guess a primitive attempt would come from a base, graceless troll. That's what Hitler was like and normal humans can't be that way. Not good in a leader. I'm not talking about the rumor that he might have been bi-polar either. Bach and Beethoven were bi-polar and were nothing like Hitler.

Some creatures are just bossy. I think that abrasive atribute could only appear to be a winning genetic trait to clueless humans. Fear of uprising would alter the behavior (or cause the ostrazitaion) of any normal alpha ape - devoid of men with guns to protect him . . . like Bush.

I sort of respect the President just because he's the President - but I've been to the Queen of Demnark's house and it's got minimal security. When Bush was there the grounds became a small city of secret service people complete with the kinds of detection devices Area 51 is rumored to have. I gather that they would have smelled any gun a visitor had before a camera would have revealed anything.

EDIT: Of course I'm only quoting the tour guide. That's what I was told.

EDIT 2: Denmark is a cool country. The Queen is cool and loves gold and pretty clothes and swords and wine. I sort of met her boyfriend when I went to her house. He drove up like a stunt driver (fishtail), waved, and went in . . . just as I got there.

What a remarkable conicidence. Must have been, must have been.

Congrats Kimberly, I know when I was picked, I was excited too.

is there any possibilty you could say anything just straight up...without all the references and monolog? sometimes i can't figure out where you are coming from or where you are going.. maybe I'm just ignorant.. i don't know.. i don't guess anyone else has a problem following you.. but me.. sometimes i have a problem...
so tell me.. straight up... you are.. anarchist? christian? athiest? agnostic? do you respect the idea of what the devil is? loathe? love?
not that i'm trying to brand you.. these questions are purely to get a feel for what you have just posted about the stand.

kimberly!! congrats...feels good huh.

*bug*

That's sad how the TV movie didn't have the end that's in the book. Randal Flag materializes somewhere in the South Pacific or in Africa (doesn't say) and washes up on a beach. He extends his lineless palms to the natives, saying (in their native tongue) "I'm here to educate you!!!"

Would have seen him naked - that would have pleased at least part of the audience. It answeres a question, too since everyone who sees the movie says at the end, "Did the plague only affect America?"

I read (and watched) The Stand to better understand the concepts of Good and Evil. I was raised not very religiously - strictly and very hetro but with no need to believe in anything other than science. I've known Mormons since I was a child and have been around Gays since I was a teen. I got baptized with the Mormons when I was about 35 and was granted the authority to baptize others about a year later with the laying-on-of-hands ceremony.

That's about it. No, I don't wear the special underwear.

If your interested you can vote for the People Choice awards, at pcavote.com but no one from Law and Order CI is nominated and only Law and Order SVU is nominated as Drama Series.
Geez who makes up these list?

i can see that cuz everyone i know who watches any of the law and order series, they watch svu. they look at me like im crazy when i say i watch and enjoy loci. i guess the "people" have spoken.

The shipping public likes the SVU team of E/O better.


spook

I can't understand what point you're trying to get across. I'm sure the tangled web of fractured points makes sense to someone. But the only point I got from all that was: Let's not be like the Nazis, lets hate LA folks and NY folks. Nazi sympathizing leads to Communism, Communism leads to Draft Dodging, DD leads to the Dark Side.

On that note: Nazis hate specific groups of people. You ask that people begin to hate LA&NY. Sounds pretty Nazi'ish to me.

I HATE alot of black people, and some nappy-headed ho's. Most of them are either gang members, some council members, alot of rappers, and them ho's always cause the traffic buildup on my commute home. But I don't seem to be a fanatical Islamist. (BTW FYI: Islamic terrorists don't want to kill you cause of your skin color. Malaysian Terrorists don't want to kill you cause of your skin color. Eco-terrorists also don't want to kill you cause of your skin color. Notice a pattern?)



Bible says nothing of the Icelandic people. Opps. Turns out not EVERYTHING is in the bible. More commands. What are you democratic person or totalitarian leader? A moral imperative is NOT National Security. That's ideological self-preservation. A moral imperative, more often than not, leads you to alert people to any disservice to an issue that's of the majority consensus. Not give them commands.



LOL@ 'drop of the Congo'. WTF does that mean exactly? ...and the only thing I understood about the rest was B-52s. I LOVE the B-52s. They rock! (_{Both the plane and the band.})

ADDENDUM:

OH,hi. Welcome to past the 20th century, they're called "Airplanes".
No one agrees with you. They just TOLERATE you.

What made you decided to read a novel for an understanding of G&E? You were raised without the use of proper english too. LOL @ 'very hetero'. (i won't even go into that.) Mormon are you? Well that's a first for this heathen-filled forum. YOU HEAR THAT HEATHANS!! *pointing my painted nail finger at YOu!*

Yes. I am part of the priesthood. I am a priest with the authority to baptize in the LDS church.

Nope! The Nazis didn't hate immoral Romans (like the sleazy people on TV) . . . in fact, they considered Rome to be a very strong state. They recognized that it was perhaps the most brutal state in history . . . so Nazis loooooved Rome.

Yeah - you can be fanatically homicidal without caring about skin color - just ideology. Of course . . . but I just think doubters are nerds. I'd rather make fun of them than convert them by force.

Nerds!! Lol.



Hey - I'm in the South . . . the Bible Belt. Have you ever stopped to think that I might be conforming my rap to fit the vocabulary of the local land? I want the folks here to know they don't have to change too much to fit into the modern world . . . because they don't. I still think they should stop hatin' on Blacks - it's causing the most friction.



Well . .. my Uncle worked on them and was trusted with thermonuclear weapons. Personally - I think that's cooler than the band even though, of course, war is dumb.



Maybe - unless you believe that stuff about the Illuminati wanting a soverign. I'm just like, "Sheesh - if that's your agenda I could go for some gold coins, wine, and swords right now. I'll go shopping and make fun of fools with no respect for the common good . .. I'll walk on 'em and use my credit card then split in the limo."

Hail to the King, baby.

correct me if I'm wrong.. but i thought the Mormans did not believe in drinking alcoholic beverages, if true.. you have mentioned indulging before...does this not put in question your *priesthood*?

*bug*

You've come to the right person with your question. I used to, "Talk shop" with the missionairies (young men and women fresh from the MTC - Missionairy Training Center) and I taught them things about the bible that they - previously - had never considered. They gave me something in return. They taught me that Mormons know they are a little weird because they don't drink coffee or smoke cigarettes or drink liquor . .. so if one of their flock sometimes does it just means that the person in question is not living by the Word of God. This does not mean you are going to get ex-communicated . . . the missionairies seemed to feel that the Jehova's Witnesses might, but they never would.

There was a lot of, "looseness" going around, and it was grand. I even got a cool speech about, "Okay, no one is supposed to go around spying and sneaking off to tell the Bishop about other people's sins," . . . in fact, you never have to see the Bishop unless you do a MAJOR sin . . . like killing someone or breaking up a marriage.

Personally, I sometimes have a strong urge to go to a Bishop and say what was said at the end of the movie, "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind" . . . the main character said to his new wife, "Honey - I have something to tell you. I work for the C.I.A.. I kill people. I've . . . killed a lot of people."

But that's just me. So - I am a bit of a Jack Mormon but I'm still a Mormon. I could baptize you right now, in fact if we only had the water. I am a priest in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

-Eric

Hey (non-sequitr) - rent the movie, "Latter Days" sometime if you have a Gay friend. I think it's light years ahead of, "Brokeback Mountain" and I think of it whenever I hear anyone say, "Latter Days" or even, "Later days, dood!!".

so.. are you saying you can interpret the Morman teachings anyway you want and stillbe in good standing.. OR are you saying you take the opinion of everything is cool.. just don't tell?
I thought any priesthood meant you lived to the highest level of your religion...(not to say there have been a lot of straying and abominations of priesthoods prevelant).. but surely that's not the goal.. the *higher standard* should be the goal if you want a convert to take you seriously.. isn't it?
I mean what would be the purpose of doctrine if you don't have to live by it... and... wouldn't any faith or belief be the same? what would differentiate them?

*bug*

That's easily answered if you come to understand:

1. Mormons are the perfect breeders. Very good citizens.

2. It's about being perfect - a saint - almost more than it is about believing in God. The guy who baptized me explained it quite well. He said, "Well, at one time you couldn't tie your shoes. You've got that down now. Would you say that you are almost perfect at that?" and I had to say, "Yes" because I do it perfectly almost every time. Jerry said, "Okay - so you're perfect at the mortal sins. You don't kill or eat people . . . or steal your neighbor's wife by force, etc. Thanks to the Bible, most humans are already on the road to sainthood."

3. Mormons have always had to be a little open minded about earthy people and their needs because they once were polygamists and it always comes up. Therefore - non-mortal sins are just seen as minor blunders - like tripping for a second - while the Christian stays more or less on the straight and narrow path . . . with a broken heart instead of a cold heart and with a stiff spine. A saint living for the good of others.

Mormons try to have their church be like the original church Christ made - complete with apostles and prophets where folks from the flock testify . . . instead of just having a preacher. It's not a sermon - it's a group experience. All members of the church are a part of the priesthood and all are allowed to marry and have lots of kids. All the wives I saw were thin, healthy, and happy.



Since Mormons are super-breeders it's about avoiding being a slob who gets drunk in front of the kids or does other unwholesome things with children around. I may indulge in things that make me feel good, but I don't do it in front of kids. I don't curse in front of kids . . . hey, I'm just great with them and Moms recognize that I'm up to code.

It's about being up to code. If you can't hack it you should gracefully drop out of the race. I'm up to code - so therefore I'm still a Mormon. If you saw me on the street you'd see a man who dresses plainly and looks respectable.

well you really didn't answer my question so i will just assume you don't have an answer...
the code of any christian belief is *what would jesus do?*.. i was raised and taught per the Bible.. that a peson is suppose to behave as close to jesus as possible.. but he was .. as taught and .. supposedly perfect.. well not you not I will ever be that.. but the goal is to strive for that.
a stumble as you call it.. is usually meant as an absence of thought at the time.. a mistake you admitt.. ask for forgiveness and try not to do it again... not an intended event.. such as .. drinking .. smoking.. or whatever.. if your belief system is within your particular church.. and that belief system is.. no drinking.. smoking or whatever .. you try your best not to do those things.
this is one of the fundamental things wrong with religion today.. people make excuses.. they rationalize to make whatever they do *Ok*
what would jesus do? I doubt he would be drinking or partying IF you believe in your own Bible.

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Christ is the head of the church - so he is automatically the most perfect. He also lived a perfect life during both of his times on Earth. The priesthood certainly does strive for . . . almost mathmatical perfection . . . almost like the Borg from Star Trek. Christ is reviered as the ultimate goal, as you say.

However - the Mormons STRONGLY believe that the COMMAND to, "Be fruitful and multiply" is still in effect. God didn't say to be fruitful and multiply . . . until 2007. The command is still in effect, and we humble humans MUST obey it. That's why Mormons will never become . . . like a Shaker Colony (folks who never last because they believe that all - even procreational - sex is a sin).

Therefore - The LDS church believes that you ARE being perfect . . . even as you receive love from your wife. You can argue that Jesus didn't have a wife, but to a Mormon it just sounds like you are refusing to do the work that God wants you to do. That's more of a sin than love - a Missionairy would probably start talking about Cane - one of the people who truly hates God and may actually have achieved for himself a version of Hell, and Mormons generally don't believe in Hell. We feel that God loves us too much to do that to us. If fear of Hell is keeping you from enjoying a pleasure of life while doing God's will at the same time - Joseph Smith told us to forget about it.

Okay - so obviously God wants us to be a little happy so I'm just going with the Luke 7 plan and having a little fun. I know that I'd help Jesus any way that I could instead of mocking him . . . even if he was drinking a little wine with some fishermen.

I know he'd rather be meditating about perfection . . . which I do often. The Bible totally helps me solve life's problems and I love God!!! I'm FILLED with Christ love!!!

ok.. well I can see my inquiry is never really going to be satisfied..looks like the only rule you believe your church has is to pro- create...hmm.. for some reason I thought it was much more..
I'm sure that everyone will be tired of reading all this as soon as more folks come on here .. so I will leave you with this:

I believe that it is a mockery to do what ever you want and rationalize that it's ok.. and I believe a great many Morman believers would feel the same.
I believe that if you profess to be in the *priesthood* and continue to indulge in things the church forbids.. or.. if you don't like that word.. strongly disagrees with.. then it's a polution to that church.

I have always had a problem with religious organizations for this very reason..you have solidified my views.
If you believe in heaven...or such after life.. then I don't know if I would be counting the jewels in my crown just yet.
but hey!.. I could be wrong!
live long and prosper.

*bug*

Well . . . that's why we got sent to Utah heh. Someone thought we were mocking God . . . but I'd let Jesus have my sister. That's something comming from me. Christ power rox.

EDIT: The main thing is that I have the proper credentials. It's all in the computer records at 2880 Govenor Drive, San Diego (Ward 10). My papers are good.

well I wasn't addressing my comments to any other Morman but you.
I sent you a pm.. i hope you read it and take it as intended
thanks

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I will give it due consideration . . . though we are in the off-topic thread and critisism is somewhat negated here (save for profanity or something unwholesome).

I wasn't talking about this topic.. this communication.. but others.. wasn't critisizing anyway(to hell with saving profanity!)

*bug*

I digress sometimes - but you really should read all of St. Luke, chapter 7 and Christ's dealings with Pharases. The sell-out got served. It was stylin'.

are you now saying Christ *sold -out*? i will re-read that.

*bug*

So I worked my way through the last couple pages to catch up on what I missed yesterday. Three levels in World of Wwarcraft took up my day.

Anyway, I'm going to now say what I've wanted to say for the last few days.

Parcher: I'm sorry, but I think that you have no idea what you are talking about most of the time. I'm not trying to be mean or start the fire, this is based purely on my own observations by reading your posts.

You try very hard to sound knowledgeable and while I'm sure we all appreciate your efforts, you really do need to try and check your facts more. This would I'm sure also help the trouble you seem to have with answering direct questions and being less ambiguous in your original posts.

Not only are we all smart folk around here, we are followers of Bobby Goren, who makes it his MISSION IN LIFE to cut the crap and see the truth. Trying to hide behind a wall of words, speaking forever but saying nothing, will not work. We will see the fact that your words have no substance or meaning. Sooner rather than later, if we don't catch it right off the bat.

You seem to contradict yourself from post to post and sometimes within the same post. I don't care for your views on several subjects. When you replied to a post of mine it seemed like you almost intentionally missed my point and phrased your response in such a way as to try and sound superior to me, while not really contributing much of anything. None of us are superior to anyone else here. I don't consider myself such at the very least. I'm open and honest, and sometimes in certain areas that can come off wrong. So far as I know I haven't done that here, but I recognize it as a possibility.

I know that for myself at least, I feel like we have a very good group that hangs out here, and we've been fortunate indeed not to have any real trolls show up. I've seen that happen and it's not pretty. Occasionally though we have to deal with people who may not fit in with the rest and that's OK. We're not here to be elitest jerks or tell people who follow the rules they can't play in our sandbox, however we will speak our minds to those we feel are causing a disruption to the happy home we have here. I'm not going to get angry, I'm not going to flame or be rude. But I will not suger-coat my honest opinions. Sometimes it works out rather well. One guy I know came on a board, was a total butt-clown, got several of the members talking to him seriously, directly, and calmly, and is now one of our good friends.

So, for the aria: We can see right through you. We know the truth. Consider yourself head-tilted.

No, Christ was perfect. The Pharases was the sell out. According to a priest I met who actually likes Hillary Clinton (I don't - I'm voting for Rudy the Mayor but he did) the faith healers (apostles) would go around to these little towns and just meet people, heal them, and party. Jesus went to the house of a Jewish Priest in league with the Romans (a Pharases) . . which is just like going to some rich dude's house in California. Romans did pretty much the same things folks there do - including enjoying a jacouzzi - since Romans enjoyed bathing in heated pools thanks to underground geo-thermal activity in some places in their domain.

Jesus went there to party and preach. The Pharases (Simon) had planned a ruse. He had invited a prostitue, and he figured that if Jesus talked to her and treated her like a human being, he could always say, "See folks? Jesus isn't a holy man. He talks to scum" or something like that.

It was a double-edged sword ruse, because if Jesus did not talk to the lady-of-the-evening, Simon planned to say, "See folks? He cares not for the common sinner and is therefore not holy." Pretty clever, eh? Quite a trickster phony priest. Corrupt, twisted and evil. A pig.

Jesus just said to him, "This woman has knelt before me, has washed my feet with her tears and has cleaned them with her hair. She has given me kisses on my feet; you have given me no kisses. She perfumed my feet - you did not. Woman: your sins are forgiven. Go in peace."

That's the story in St. Luke - Chapter 7.

i know the story quite well thanks.. i don't see where jesus went there to *party*.. open to interpretationj I suppose.
anyway.. after reading janx post(thanks janx) i am leaving this topic for which never an answer was given.. and moving on.

*bug*

This is the way it should be. I'm a nice person once you get to know me.



I don't know what that means but I used to be a Deadhead so I don't mind being titled that. I'll always be a bit of a Jerry Garcia at heart - just the younger, cooler version. You can title my head dead, since I'm a Deadhead.

ahh.. if you were a true CI fan you would know about the *head tilt*

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Okay, but . . . I've been watching Law & Order for years. The original. I already said that I've only started watching CI recently, but am keenly interested.

Go ahead - let me know if I ever say something that seems to contradict something else I've said. That would, of course, indicate that I am a joke character and am not telling the truth about my life. And, of course a joke caracter is a troll.

I'm not. Snoop around.

EDIT: Consider my eyebrow raised.

I don't think anyone has accused you of lying about anything. We do believe you are who you say you are. That's not the point. As you say here, you're new to the LOCI world. But you try and sound like you've seen every episode. I know I haven't. I know I forget things all the time. Which is why I watch episodes I've seen already to try and keep which one was which straight.

But I think your eyebrow is too little, too late. Good effort though.