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Phanta
Maia states, we are in charge now. This is true, in Seatle. But, the rest of the world isn't part of the movement. If there is a season 5, this is what we are going to face. The US Gov't and the World fighting PC. Does this make the movement any more right, because it won Seatle?
greatshow
QUOTE (Phanta @ Sep 16 2007, 10:14 PM) *
Maia states, we are in charge now. This is true, in Seatle. But, the rest of the world isn't part of the movement. If there is a season 5, this is what we are going to face. The US Gov't and the World fighting PC. Does this make the movement any more right, because it won Seatle?

How about this for a twist. Seattle is the walled city of elites.
Phanta
QUOTE (greatshow @ Sep 16 2007, 09:23 PM) *
How about this for a twist. Seattle is the walled city of elites.

That is what I keep thinking. That Jordan is making the future he saw happen. It would make for great epi's in season 5
greatshow
QUOTE (Phanta @ Sep 16 2007, 11:02 PM) *
That is what I keep thinking. That Jordan is making the future he saw happen. It would make for great epi's in season 5

How do we know that the Mark was the ones without abilities?
Sinjun
QUOTE (Phanta @ Sep 16 2007, 10:14 PM) *
Maia states, we are in charge now. This is true, in Seatle. But, the rest of the world isn't part of the movement. If there is a season 5, this is what we are going to face. The US Gov't and the World fighting PC. Does this make the movement any more right, because it won Seatle?


so then what has Maia seen that has convinced her that it is a good thing?
Phanta
QUOTE (Sinjun @ Sep 16 2007, 10:06 PM) *
so then what has Maia seen that has convinced her that it is a good thing?

With all the twist and turns, anything is possible. Maybe she is innocent in believing that Jordan is the "messiah" and that the P+s are on the right course. But that doesn't mean it is the right thing. History is rife with examples. There are many during WWII that thought Hitler was right, and there are some today that still agree. That doesn't mean anything.
Sinjun
QUOTE (Phanta @ Sep 16 2007, 11:09 PM) *
With all the twist and turns, anything is possible. Maybe she is innocent in believing that Jordan is the "messiah" and that the P+s are on the right course. But that doesn't mean it is the right thing. History is rife with examples. There are many during WWII that thought Hitler was right, and there are some today that still agree. That doesn't mean anything.



True there were also many who felt locking up Japanese-Americans was the right thing to do as well. A lot of people gloss over the fact that we too had concentration camps, and a lot of people lost everything because of it.

i'm still just curious as to what Maia has seen now.
Phanta
QUOTE (Sinjun @ Sep 16 2007, 10:13 PM) *
True there were also many who felt locking up Japanese-Americans was the right thing to do as well. A lot of people gloss over the fact that we too had concentration camps, and a lot of people lost everything because of it.

i'm still just curious as to what Maia has seen now.

that is for season 5 (crossing fingers, toes, eyes and legs)
rockingmule
QUOTE (Sinjun @ Sep 16 2007, 10:13 PM) *
True there were also many who felt locking up Japanese-Americans was the right thing to do as well. A lot of people gloss over the fact that we too had concentration camps, and a lot of people lost everything because of it.

i'm still just curious as to what Maia has seen now.

Maybe she has seen that the P-Positives are strong enough to resist being locked up for their promicin abilities.
EasyMac
QUOTE (Sinjun @ Sep 16 2007, 11:06 PM) *
so then what has Maia seen that has convinced her that it is a good thing?

Maybe because it's good "now" but it ends up evolving into the Last City?
Coraggio
I do not think Maia has seen anything I think the inhibitor is still in effect, she trusted old Jordan, who knows what new Jordan is going to do. The P+s may not be the best answer, honestly we do not know how they are going to behave with the rest of the world.
oceanheart
Can't be any worse then the shape our country is in now. Some of the P+'s seem pretty happy and want better things for our world. Yes I know their are some that are going to be weird, but any more so than the Rupert Murdochs, who by the way owns fox news, dow jones, wall street journal, news corp.and too many other media gaints to name, bill gates, the clintons, bushs, and the WTO, and Halibarton and all the rich folks that keep the poor and middle class down. I say give Promise City a chance. Lets see what happens, like i said can't be any worse then whats happening now. And don't forget there are the good P+'s like Shawn,poor guy losing his mom and bro. Tom, Marco, and cutie Garrity. Oceanheart cool.gif Peace
Adanu
QUOTE (Phanta @ Sep 16 2007, 10:14 PM) *
Maia states, we are in charge now. This is true, in Seatle. But, the rest of the world isn't part of the movement. If there is a season 5, this is what we are going to face. The US Gov't and the World fighting PC. Does this make the movement any more right, because it won Seatle?



No, it doesn't. However, Maia is more qualified then anyone alive to know what would be best for the future, so I trust her judgement in that regard.
alex20020712
QUOTE (Adanu)
No, it doesn't. However, Maia is more qualified then anyone alive to know what would be best for the future, so I trust her judgement in that regard.


I disagree. At best, Maia can have visions of the future. That does not mean she knows or understands what is best.

She was wrong about Diana getting married.

Maia thinks Collier is a good guy. This, alone, is enough to question her judgment.
zippylittlerat
At first I was so sure Jordan was creating that future. But they're strongly against promicin, so I doubt they have it. They were the Elites, Jordan confirmed that in Tiny Machines. "You just walled yourselves up in the world's last city." I really don't like saying it but Jordan may be right.
4400s
actually in the future the walled city was the P-'s city. and everyone outside of it that was alive were P+.
Adanu
QUOTE (4400s @ Sep 17 2007, 05:00 AM) *
actually in the future the walled city was the P-'s city. and everyone outside of it that was alive were P+.


Link please?

QUOTE (alex20020712 @ Sep 17 2007, 03:10 AM) *
I disagree. At best, Maia can have visions of the future. That does not mean she knows or understands what is best.

She was wrong about Diana getting married.

Maia thinks Collier is a good guy. This, alone, is enough to question her judgment.


She has been through quite a bit in her tenure, and is learninfg constantly. She has a sense of right and wrong, as it were, and is much brighter then people give her credit for, apparently.

She is able to see into the future, something no one else as far as we know can claim, and what's more, she is a child. She is not 'tainted' by the greed that is so prevalent in this society yet. yes, I trust her judgement a lot more then most adults in this series.

She was wrong about Diana getting married.

As for this, you nor I know that yet. Ever hear of long term predictions? She could get married to him evetnually, she also said she wasn't coming back to Spain or whatever country they went to. The kyle thing was long term. The mommies bosses thing was semi long term. Think ahead, not just right in front of your face.
EasyMac
P+s might be in Seattle today but P-'s might take it over at some point in the future. It would be extremely ironic if Jordan's Seattle/Promise City, established as the first home for P+s ended up in the hands of the Elite.
EasyMac
QUOTE (Adanu @ Sep 17 2007, 05:47 AM) *
She is able to see into the future

I have wondered how much of her visions can be adjusted - maybe her vision of Diana marrying Ben was true when she saw it, but then the course of events changed that from happening. She saw P+s being lined up, concentration camp style - is that vision/dream still true? Maybe the course of events have changed that from happening.
alex20020712
QUOTE (Adanu)
She has been through quite a bit in her tenure, and is learninfg constantly. She has a sense of right and wrong, as it were, and is much brighter then people give her credit for, apparently.


Actually, she has been on for about 10 seconds in the last few years, so we do not know much about what she thinks or about her beliefs and values.

QUOTE (Adanu)
She is able to see into the future, something no one else as far as we know can claim, and what's more, she is a child. She is not 'tainted' by the greed that is so prevalent in this society yet. yes, I trust her judgement a lot more then most adults in this series.


Children are better than adults perceiving reality with less filters, but they are not better at judgment, because this comes from experience, making mistakes, and learning from those mistakes. This is why children do not take care of themselves, but they need adults to care for them. They are not mature enough, by definition.

She was wrong about Diana getting married.

QUOTE (Adanu)
As for this, you nor I know that yet. Ever hear of long term predictions? She could get married to him evetnually, she also said she wasn't coming back to Spain or whatever country they went to. The kyle thing was long term. The mommies bosses thing was semi long term. Think ahead, not just right in front of your face.


That would be a worthless prediction. If I predict what is going to happen in 1000 years, who is going to care? All her other predictions have been relevant to the present. Mommie's bosses were punished quickly. What Kyle thing?
Phanta
QUOTE (alex20020712 @ Sep 17 2007, 11:07 AM) *
Actually, she has been on for about 10 seconds in the last few years, so we do not know much about what she thinks or about her beliefs and values.
Children are better than adults perceiving reality with less filters, but they are not better at judgment, because this comes from experience, making mistakes, and learning from those mistakes. This is why children do not take care of themselves, but they need adults to care for them. They are not mature enough, by definition.

She was wrong about Diana getting married.
That would be a worthless prediction. If I predict what is going to happen in 1000 years, who is going to care? All her other predictions have been relevant to the present. Mommie's bosses were punished quickly. What Kyle thing?

When Tom and Diana were looking for Kyle because Lytel had taken him and put him away somewhere. Tom picks up Diana and Maia tells Tom, "Don't worry you'll find him." Tom "Who". Maia "Your son, he is the answer." Tom, "The answer to what?" Maia. "To everything."
rockingmule
QUOTE (4400s @ Sep 17 2007, 04:00 AM) *
actually in the future the walled city was the P-'s city. and everyone outside of it that was alive were P+.

Then Jordan is not creating that city. His people are P-Positive.
MessiahJordan
QUOTE (rockingmule @ Sep 17 2007, 12:01 PM) *
Then Jordan is not creating that city. His people are P-Positive.

But the future has now changed since the marked have been defeated. If the negatives were living in that city, it means that it is either controlled by positives or no longer exists.
alex20020712
QUOTE (Phanta)
When Tom and Diana were looking for Kyle because Lytel had taken him and put him away somewhere. Tom picks up Diana and Maia tells Tom, "Don't worry you'll find him." Tom "Who". Maia "Your son, he is the answer." Tom, "The answer to what?" Maia. "To everything."


OK, that was not long term.

"The answer to everything" is so vague, it is meaningless.
Phanta
QUOTE (alex20020712 @ Sep 17 2007, 12:07 PM) *
OK, that was not long term.

"The answer to everything" is so vague, it is meaningless.

very vague and---doesn't mean a good "answer" either. He could be the one that anhilates the world for all we know.
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