Till next week

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Thanks Bubba!

Looks like Izzy has to try to remove Cassie from Kyle, as Kyle may think he needs to finish Jordan's "mission" as per Cassie's instructions. How much can one man take? a coma, then Shawn had to remove an "entity" from him then he takes promicin and gets the "entity" Cassie, and now Izzy has to extract another one...
Between him and Danny and probably Ben, they just can't win.

Ooo, Seattle in chaos? Sounds fantastic! I wonder who's causing the turmoil? I hope it's Izabel I'm really anticipating this one.

I think is going to be because of Danny, hope Jordan escapes from the Marked but there is no much point to it, if it is in and they do not do anything about it, he is going to turn sooner or later. Can't wait for this episode, and for the anagram to be solved too.

However... if Jordan escapes BEFORE being marked then he can help remove promicine from those who never wanted it, as that is his ability.

Once again... this is falling under the definition of irony.

I wonder why Kyle hasn't put 2 and 2 together about Evil McHotty... shouldn't he be a little supscious of her by now?

Question: do we know evil McHottie really is evil? Cassie, I mean. Sure, just about everyone on this boards thinks she is, but has that been confirmed?

Well, it's been confirmed in my mind...

My thoughts exactly! Especially with her admitting she was about to put him under so she could go get Jordan. I suppose she seemed genuine enough when she said her feelings for him were true, but idk if Kyle's level-headed enough to not at least let his emotions flare for a second because of what Isabelle did to him (and to Jordan!).

No no, Evil McHottie is Cassie not Izzy... sorry, the nickname hasn't fully perpetuated yet

Omg I'm so sorry! >__< I'd figured out the nicknames (I lurked for a while to see what everyone here was talking about!) and understood you were talking about Cassie, but Isabelle and Cassie always confuse me because Megalyn Echikunwoke played a character named Cassie on Supernatural (on the CW), which is like my favorite show. So when I see her on The 4400, in my head I think, "Hey, it's Cassie!" Except I know it's Isabelle. But I got confused! >__<

Anyway, about Cassie... she usually makes Kyle do some at-the-time crazy things, but in the end they usually amount to something more or less okay. Like now Kyle gets a chance at leadership. So that may be why he hasn't become too suspicious of Cassie. Plus, is she just in his head/a vision or something? I still haven't really figured out how she works, though I may be missing a few things because I've got a little more of season 3 to finish watching!

Allow me to enlighten you. Cassie (or Evil McHottie as I like to call her) is a self-proclaimed product of Kyle taking the promicine shot. Only she can see him, and only at certain times (for example, as far as we know, she wasn't a voyeristic observer to Kyle and Izzy getting it on). She has only appeared in the 4th season and her job (as she claims) is to help Kyle be Jordan's "Shaman" as in, guiding Jordan in the right direction to make this whole movement grow.

It is the shared belief of many on the forum that Cassie is not what she claims to be, but there are many theories as to what she could be.

My personal theory is that McHottie is an actual living person, either in the present or in the future, who has an agenda in line with the marked and may even be working for them, to guide Kyle in a direction that will further their cause. She is manipulating Kyle who's true ability has something to do with being able to "receive" some sort of signal or something that makes Cassie appear to him as if she was a vision.

My reasons for this are as follows

1) Cassie knows way too much. Obviously that's a good reason for her to be what she claims but it could also mean she's from the future

2) Cassie is often guiding Kyle to do things that "coincidentally" further the agenda of the marked. All this stuff with Izzy is a good example.

3) Cassie is a very "versitle" vison, she can sit, draw, touch things and pick them up, and she has a very extensive wardrobe for a being that doesn't exist.

4) Cassie is a hot red head, and hot red heads can't be trusted... simple science here!

So that's the story on Evil McHottie.

So nice of you to explain! Thank you! ♥ I'd noticed #3 and thought it was weird.

I took a 2000-mile roadtrip this summer and we were actually in Seattle, Washington (right before Vancouver) when I saw my first ep of The 4400, and this was during a marathon of the show and it was the episode where Kyle figures out she's a 'vision'. And that whole episode she'd been holding this book and everything, so I was confused as to how she could be a vision, but now I can see I'm not the only one who is curious! I hope we find out soon!

Also in very few instances do you find McHottie talking to Kyle when he is around other people. I just realized this. Most of the time, she appears to Kyle when he's alone. The only exception I remember is when Tom came into the room and Kyle was all like "I'd like you to meet Cassie." and he didn't see her.

There may be something to that.

But people who think Cassie is part of Kyle's mind may argue she appears when he's alone because that's when he can concentrate enough to 'summon' her presence or whatever, right? And when he called his dad into the room, his mind might've been concentrating on her because it WAS his intent for his dad to see this then-cool chick he'd met. Now when he talks to Cassie, I'm sure he wants to make sure he's alone so no one sees him having a conversation with the toaster or whatever, lol.

Well, I've often said that one day, Kyle is going to be walking along, and another "vision" person is going to show up and be like "Kyle... are you seeing me... good... don't trust Cassie she's evil" and then McHotty will show up and be like "get out of here!" and then it'll be a smack down (I hope for my sake it's another girl but anyway...)

That would really confuse Kyle.

Back to the topic at hand;

I watched the preview in slow motion so I can get the most out of it... this is the vibe I'm getting:

1) Shawn is going to heal Tom and get evil nanites out of him... we saw that, and I believe the whole "Tom punches mirrror" thing is just frustration of being taken over for so long. I think we're going to get Tom back early.

2) I don't know why Izzy is chucking Megan halfway across a room, that makes no sense to me, but in any case, I'm betting she's discovered that Evil McHottie is... well ... evil... and that whole scene with her and Kyle is her way of purging him of McHottie's influence. I don't think she'd ever really try to kill Kyle.

2) With Danny's ability infecting everyone with promicine, the city is going to be in a chaotic state, people are dying, others are developing abilities.... no wonder they turn to promise city for help.

3) We end the season with promicine spreading like wildfire and a whole "well... this is going to be an interesting year" expression on everyone's faces.

Some pure guesses....

Izzy finally develops a backbone and rescues Collier before it's too late.

Mia reveals the truth behind McHottie which prompts Izzy's little rampage to help him

Danny kills himself in greif over what he's done? (maybe I'm just being hopeful).

Kevin figures out how to make promicine work in everyone's systems and/or they figure out some way to slow down the spread of the virus and / or Mia's vision comes true and they start rounding up "positives" and containing them to keep the virus from spreading.

Danny definitely annoys me, but idk, for Shawn's sake, I hope if Danny ends up kicking the bucket he does something spectacular before he dies. Something redeeming? *shrugs* One can hope.

But I'm not sure how chaotic the city can get if Jordan can (whether of his own free will or not) reverse the effects of promicin. The situation seems, to me, like it could potentially be easy enough to handle. Once Danny finds out he's the reason his mom is dead, I'm sure he'll either find Shawn, who will keep him safe, or jump off a building or hide or something. I can't really factor the mass chaos into this because I don't think Danny would go insane and start running around Seattle, touching everyone/everything.

Yes but Danny is also stupid, and probably won't realize for a while that he's the one causing this or how fast it can spread or that it potentially can spread from one infected person to another. So if that's the case, all he has to do is call the ambulance for his mother and it's downhill from there... the ambulance workers, potentially people in the hospital, and then it just keeps spreading and spreading.

Jordan is just one man, he can't stop this all by himself.

That's true. He probably won't want to believe his power is such a disaster since he's had fantasies about his power being this amazing GIFT.

And in regards to your comment about Jordan, if he's just one man, then why are the Marked so giddy about getting him under their control so he can use his ability to contradict everything he's worked for? If he's just one man, then it's not like he can get to tons of 4400s, right? Not quickly enough, anyway.

Kyle has been through a lot, and yes, I hope Isabelle is removing Cassie, or disabling the connection he has to her, whatever is going on. So tired of SuperBangs! Out, out, I say!

I agree, I think Shawn gets the Marked out of Tom while he's saving Tom from the gun shot wounds.

I like your thoought about why Tom hits the mirror - another reason for it may be related to a death -i.e., Susan or Danny.

Not enough info to figure it out, but it could be a simple confrontation and/or Meghan's death? I am not betting on her dying though.


I agree, or at least hope that is what's happening!


Maia might be the source to that, I hadn't considered that.


I could see Danny doing that, esp if his mother dies due to his ability.

I'm actually a little disappointed in having Tom de-marked so quickly. Tom was such a great evil character to watch.

But about Shawn removing the entity, if you have to "kill" the host in order to do it, then Shawn will have to actually not heal Tom but try to kill him; which BTW IMO, gets Shawn off the hook for "attempting to kill Kyle" when Shawn removed the entity out of him. It had to be done and it wasn't a moment of anger on Shawn's part.

Agreed! MarkedTom is very fun to watch!


Yes, I can see it happening that way, or maybe just by virtue of trying to heal Tom, Shawn's ability wipes out the Marked entity as well? Probably more likely Tom will have to die then be healed/resurrected.



I think Shawn was angry, but not at Kyle. IMO, he was angry at the "situation" that drove Kyle to kill Jordan.

I agree. I meant that he wasn't so angry that he temporarily lost control and tried to kill Kyle. I think he had to "kill" Kyle to get the entity out and of course there was a look of anger b/c the whole situation was very upsetting.


So about Tom, Gee him and Kyle are definitely like father like son, although in this case it would be like son like father. They both with know how it feels to be possessed and have killed someone. Oh the Baldwin legacy.

Tom Tom Tom, woof, I want the good Tom back, but I want the bad one to stay. LOL. The swagger, the sneer, the nasty looks, jeez I got soo hot watching that epi I thought I was having a hot flash. My son was like "are you ok?" "Oh ya MOM Is fine, just watching my hot ass tom." My son gagged. LOL He can't think of me being attracted to anything but a Big Mac Value Meal--as in his lifetime I"ve been married or single not dating....

I do believe Cassie is part of the Marked
Jordan is already "infected"
Danny is an idiot (sorry he is, I don't think anyone actually likes the little bug)
Poor Susan
I can't believe that Diana used Maia to pull Tom to her. He could have easily gone in that room and killed her.

I think that Maia was out of that room by the time Tom got there. I think Diana would be smart enough to have Maia make the call and then go off with Marco and be safe somewhere.

It was still dicey as they don't know everything about the Marked. For all she knew he could have "known" mysteriously where Maia was and gone there. I think the fact that she had Maia call is what bothered me. It's something I think most mother's wouldn't do. I think it was also out of character for Diana. She got really pissed when April had Maia predict gambling bets--this was a large step up from that.

I see what you're saying, Phanta. It was risky. But I don't think that there was another way. There was no one else who knows about it and Tom would know it was a trap if either Diana, Meghan, or Marco called.

The ironic thing is that Maia said the vision about Diana shooting Tom was a lie (which it was) but it actually ended up happening.

So about the preview for the season finale - I know it probably means nothing, but does anybody think that since they used the clip of Alana being re-abducted in the season three finale, that MAYBE, just MAYBE, there's a chance that in this episode we'll get some kind of explanation as to what happened to her? And I mean more of an explanation than what we've already gotten (the good 'ole "I guess we'll just have to accept that we'll never know" reasoning...).

I would've thought that we were completely done and past anything having to do with Alana - but then again, I thought we were done and past anything having to do with Lily too, and then we actually got some follow-up to that. So I'm still holding out hope!

It just seems odd to me that they would've used that clip of Alana, when surely they must have other footage of characters being abducted that they could've used.

I have a feeling the last epi is gonna pack a lot of stuff into it..like the last 3. I found it intersting that they showed that shot of Alana as well. Don't know what that means.

I thought it was strange too, that they included that particular clip, since they were talking about people being returned. Maybe ... maybe... maybe... doubting it ... but maybe she'll make a surprise appearance? Or maybe as you suggested, they provide a better explanation for what has happened to her and why.

I doubt that Alana herself will be making a return appearance. I've been pretty careful not to read any spoilers for the end of the season, however I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that the actress Karina Lombard would NOT be returning to the 4400 at all this season.

At this point, the best I'm hoping for is some kind of explanation as to why she was taken and put back further in the timeline. I have to go back and re-watch this season, 'cause I'm pretty sure there are some details that I'm forgetting, but I was thinking that maybe the marked (or the faction of people from the future that the marked are working for) could be responsible for Alana's re-abduction as an early part of the plan to "mark" Tom. Since Alana was living with Tom, and due to the nature of her ability, it seems pretty unlikely that "marked" Tom would be able to hide the fact that he wasn't himself. Even if Tom slipped her some inhibitor like he did with Maia, Alana would still have realized that something was wrong with him. So perhaps the marked wanted to get Alana out of the way to ensure that she didn't screw up their plans, just like how they wanted to eliminate Maia's visions.

But that's just my theory. I guess we'll see!

You're exactly right, it's been well known/publicized that she won't be back.


It certainly could be the Marked who grabbed her, although the way she was taken looked more like the other future faction's approach, plus the Marked folks don't typically abduct from the current timeline. They do the body-snatching thing.

Isabelle told Tom early this season that she thought the reason Alana was taken from Tom was because he didn't kill Isabelle.

BTW - Spoilerish info, related to this:

Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention - I was also thinking that perhaps any explanation for Alana's re-abduction could come from Kyle via Cassie, since she seems to have a pulse on what's going on with TPFTF. Maybe there's some showdown during the finale where we finally find out Cassie's evil, and she reveals to Kyle all the other crap that she/TPFTF are responsible for, or at least privy to.

That could be a reason that both Tom and Kyle are present at the location you mention above, Easy Mac (I don't want to say anymore about the spoiler-ish info you posted so as not to ruin anything for anybody).

*Edited to say that I misread what Easy Mac posted and wrote Tom & Kyle instead of Jordan & Kyle, so maybe my theory isn't as likely as I thought...

If you like "evil Tom" watch Joel Gretsch in the miniseries Taken, which is a fantastic series.

I have a question, why would shawn's mother...have the blood effects like a person who had taken promiacin and died from it, she, as far as I know of has not taken this...It puzzles me that she is having these symptoms. I know shawn's brother took promiacin but why would it affect her(the mother)? unless she injected it into herself also!

The going theory is



How that actually works is still under speculation.

Forgot to say Welcome Friendlyiris.

I did not find it particularly original or compelling. Did I miss something? Was there anything there that we had not seen before?

Kyle gives a press conferance next week. I read that somewhere on a different site.

Yup and it also appears that Shawn heals danny for some reason as well.

If Danny is infecting people with promicin, i wouldn't look for Jorden to help at all,remember...he wants the whole world to take the shot and i think Jorden would see Danny as being somekind of ultamite weapon to make his dream come true.

maybe Jordan heals Danny

Just saw a preview for the show, one that is being talked about in another thread.

It shows Shawn trying to heal Danny.

Rebecca tells Isabelle, "You were our only hope."

Isabelle tells Rebecca, "Your future's dead now."

Isabelle flings (via her abilities) what looks like a Marked body guard (who is holding a gun) out a window.

Keep in mind that previews are deceptive and should not be taken literally and out of context. Anyone remember "Tom" beating Collier up, and leaving Kyle's face in the shape of a shovel? The actual episode showed the same thing, but it was not what happened, was it?

You bet. Just reportin' what was in the preview.

I know, it was just a general comment.

LOL Kyles face in the shape of a shovel--that should be on a shirt OMG I about wet my pants that was funny.

I wanto see the preview!!!

TWO MORE DAYS!!!!!

(yes, I'm yelling!)