I was just thinking about Shawn's story this season, which led me to thinking about other story arcs that seem to have gotten lost.
We haven't heard anything about Shawn's campaign for awhile. They haven't mentioned the senator or Gabriel Hewitt either. Was that nothing more than a tool to start the rift between Jordan and Shawn?
I already went on a long rant last week about dropping the ripple effect aspect of the show, so I won't repeat that.
Is Alana simply gone without a trace other than 6 weeks of posing for an artist? What happened to her? Did she have a happy life whenever/wherever they sent her?
What exactly was controlling Kyle (the 4400's puppet) when he shot Jordan?
Where's Ryland?
Where's Ben?
What is Heather Tobey doing these days?
What happened to the other 4350 or so surviving 4400's besides Shawn, Richard, Jordan, Curtis Peck, Heather, Cora, and Maia (edit: oops, sorry, Tess. Didn't mean to forget you)? Are they feeling left out, wondering why they were sent back if the solution to the catastrophe required only Jordan's vision and Isabelle's promicin?
Anything left of the Nova Group?
Is Maia still dreaming about concentration camps for P+'s?
Is that bird that Shawn healed still alive?
Full Version: So, Is Shawn Still Running For Office
QUOTE (bahmo @ Aug 24 2007, 03:47 PM) 
Is that bird that Shawn healed still alive?
Bwahahaha! I'd say that question is the most important one!
QUOTE (EasyMac @ Aug 24 2007, 02:51 PM)
Bwahahaha! I'd say that question is the most important one!
I agree. I just wanted to add a little levity to a post that might be perceived as over-critical. For the most part, these were dropped tangents, so it's not like they keep me up at night. I just don't like hanging chads or dangling particples.
OK. With all the estrogen on these forums, I probably shouldn't have mentioned hanging chads or dangling participles.
It's an annoyance when certain storylines aren't tied up or resolved. I hope they do address some of these questions in the normal course of the show, but yes, I doubt I'll be up at night wondering about it.
In regards to Ben, not only do I want to know what happened to him, but why was he even in the story? It provided such little value, and when you only have 13 episodes, every minute counts. Hate to see any minute wasted on a story line that has no real meaning.
In regards to Ben, not only do I want to know what happened to him, but why was he even in the story? It provided such little value, and when you only have 13 episodes, every minute counts. Hate to see any minute wasted on a story line that has no real meaning.
QUOTE (bahmo @ Aug 24 2007, 02:47 PM)
What happened to the other 4350 or so surviving 4400's besides Shawn, Richard, Jordan, Curtis Peck, Heather, Cora, and Maia (edit: oops, sorry, Tess. Didn't mean to forget you)? Are they feeling left out, wondering why they were sent back if the solution to the catastrophe required only Jordan's vision and Isabelle's promicin?
They were all sent back because in the original plan they were all supposed to change the future and I think that is still the goal. We heard from Borg lady that the future wasn't changed and the catastrophe wasn't stopped. I think Jordan was sent back to fight Isabelle because before no one was strong enough to stop her and the factions are also using the people from the past to fight their war. I think it will take more than Jordan's vision to stop the catastrophe. Everything that the 4400s do does contribute something. I am sure the guy with the "super memory" ability who has to write everything down or else his head will explode will also contribute to what's going on. I wonder what he is hiding. Maybe when he reaches to the recent chapters of his life like when he was abducted he might remember something very important.
And Cora might be the reason why 4400s never aged. Maybe they all drunk some of her water.
What I would mostly like to know is why they chose these people? Why Richard, Maia, Jordan, Cora, Serial killer guy, Gary Navaro, Edwin Muyayu, Jean Delalyn Baker, super strength Steven, Orson Bailey, Richard's friend from season 2, Flower lady who was killed in season 1, Nova group member with Dr. Dolittle powers, TJ Kim, Daniel Armand etc.
QUOTE (MessiahJordan @ Aug 24 2007, 04:20 PM)
And Cora might be the reason why 4400s never aged. Maybe they all drunk some of her water.
I have always presumed it was some kind of stasis (sp) they were held in.
QUOTE (MessiahJordan @ Aug 24 2007, 04:20 PM)
What I would mostly like to know is why they chose these people? Why Richard, Maia, Jordan, Cora, Serial killer guy, Gary Navaro, Edwin Muyayu, Jean Delalyn Baker, super strength Steven, Orson Bailey, Richard's friend from season 2, Flower lady who was killed in season 1, Nova group member with Dr. Dolittle powers, TJ Kim, Daniel Armand etc.
Excellent question ... why did they pick the specific people who made up the Original 4400? Why them? Did it even matter who they picked, now that we have promicin being distributed?
the question was asked: why were the orginall 4400 choisen, the answer is kinda simple, its a causeaulty loop( i know i misspelled ) the PFTF knew who to take cause thier records and history already showed who were taken, it was just a matter of going down the list, snatching each person.
QUOTE (Jordan4Future @ Aug 24 2007, 03:36 PM)
the question was asked: why were the orginall 4400 choisen, the answer is kinda simple, its a causeaulty loop( i know i misspelled ) the PFTF knew who to take cause thier records and history already showed who were taken, it was just a matter of going down the list, snatching each person.
Funny, I remember saying this a few days ago and here's the quote to prove it.
QUOTE (rockingmule @ Aug 21 2007, 09:27 AM)
Maybe 4400 is one of those time paradox things. The PFTF looked at the past and saw that 4400 people with super human abilities changed things, so they knew who to take because they already took them. Kinda like how the terminator knew to go after Sarah Conner-the records showed who John's mother was.
QUOTE (rockingmule @ Aug 24 2007, 03:54 PM)
Funny, I remember saying this a few days ago and here's the quote to prove it.
Me too! Me too!
QUOTE (bahmo @ Jul 30 2007, 10:08 AM)
. . .
If that came from the PFTF, I am starting to think that Jordan and his followers are actually the people fighting to maintain the status quo in the future, whether they know it or not. It is possible that, in the future, they got to the 1000-mile city with everything else a wasteland exactly as they appear to be moving towards that now. In other words, the history books for the PFTF say that:
1) 4400 people were abducted by and returned from the future to prevent a catastrophe.
2) Dr. Burkhoff discovered how to spread the powers to non-4400's.
3) Jordan Collier led these people (4400's and P+) to create a paradise on earth.
4) Collier's city continued to grow, and his followers destroyed much of the outside world in response to attacks on Paradise City.
5) Eventually, we have one giant city of paradise and the rest a wasteland.
6) No one knows just what the "catastrophe" was.
Isabelle and the Marked would then have to be either:
1) A last-ditch effort by PFTF to prevent the future from being divided and destroyed, or
2) Adversaries created to force the 4400 and P+'s to defend themselves and get started on creating their own safe haven, which will eventually become the last city.
However, I cannot reconcile Curtis Peck's assertion that the Marked are evil with the above.
I can't quite get my head around the idea of this all just being a big loop -- the PFTF know to abduct, alter, and return 4400 people because it already happened. So, I am not sure if I am making any sense.
If that came from the PFTF, I am starting to think that Jordan and his followers are actually the people fighting to maintain the status quo in the future, whether they know it or not. It is possible that, in the future, they got to the 1000-mile city with everything else a wasteland exactly as they appear to be moving towards that now. In other words, the history books for the PFTF say that:
1) 4400 people were abducted by and returned from the future to prevent a catastrophe.
2) Dr. Burkhoff discovered how to spread the powers to non-4400's.
3) Jordan Collier led these people (4400's and P+) to create a paradise on earth.
4) Collier's city continued to grow, and his followers destroyed much of the outside world in response to attacks on Paradise City.
5) Eventually, we have one giant city of paradise and the rest a wasteland.
6) No one knows just what the "catastrophe" was.
Isabelle and the Marked would then have to be either:
1) A last-ditch effort by PFTF to prevent the future from being divided and destroyed, or
2) Adversaries created to force the 4400 and P+'s to defend themselves and get started on creating their own safe haven, which will eventually become the last city.
However, I cannot reconcile Curtis Peck's assertion that the Marked are evil with the above.
I can't quite get my head around the idea of this all just being a big loop -- the PFTF know to abduct, alter, and return 4400 people because it already happened. So, I am not sure if I am making any sense.
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QUOTE (bahmo @ Aug 16 2007, 03:49 PM)
. . .
One thing that has really bothered me about the show is that it does not appear that anything that has happened has affected the future in even the slightest way. If collecting, altering, and returning the 4400 was an idea hatched by the future (not just the future repeating what had already happened in its own timeline), then I would think that at least something would be different -- someone wouldn't have been born, something new would have happened, etc. so that the future that existed when the 4400 were returned would no longer exist now.
. . .
One thing that has really bothered me about the show is that it does not appear that anything that has happened has affected the future in even the slightest way. If collecting, altering, and returning the 4400 was an idea hatched by the future (not just the future repeating what had already happened in its own timeline), then I would think that at least something would be different -- someone wouldn't have been born, something new would have happened, etc. so that the future that existed when the 4400 were returned would no longer exist now.
. . .
QUOTE (rockingmule @ Aug 24 2007, 03:54 PM)
Funny, I remember saying this a few days ago and here's the quote to prove it.
So why did they originally originally take them? I don't think it is a loop because of what Borg lady said. They had carefully calculated what would happen and gone through all kinds of scenarious. The catastrophe not being changed is something that came as a surprise that is why they had to kidnap Maia and the other children again.
Knowing that there are more than one faction, there is no way they would have been able to do this again and again. Sending a large number of people back to the past at once seemed like a one time thing. Something that must have taken a lot of planning and so many other factors were involved.
The history book theories would work if these people wouldn't always know the changes that take place. If the past was changed doesn't that mean that also what was written in the books was changed? Then how could Borg lady know about the first future state unless they live in a state where they aren't affected by what the 4400s are doing and there are observes just watching all the changes from a distance
They don't get affected by any changes made so it is for them to compare the before and after state of the future.
QUOTE (rockingmule @ Aug 24 2007, 04:54 PM)
Funny, I remember saying this a few days ago and here's the quote to prove it.
QUOTE (bahmo @ Aug 24 2007, 05:32 PM)
Me too! Me too!
LOL! Who keeps track of such things, and ... um... why??
*munches on a tomato*
QUOTE (EasyMac @ Aug 24 2007, 04:58 PM)
LOL! Who keeps track of such things, and ... um... why??
*munches on a tomato*
*munches on a tomato*
We just like to have validation, EM. After all, we put a lot of thought into our theories, and I personally think it's a matter of courtesy to acknowledge somebody's idea.
QUOTE (rockingmule @ Aug 24 2007, 08:13 PM)
We just like to have validation, EM. After all, we put a lot of thought into our theories, and I personally think it's a matter of courtesy to acknowledge somebody's idea.
Not everyone on these boards reads every thread - so it may indeed be an idea they had on their own. Nor does everyone remember everything that they've read or who said it.
I can only speak for myself, but if I mention an idea that someone else posted in a thread last year or even yesterday, it's not as if I am "purposefully" stealing someone else's ideas and theories. I am not intentionally being discourteous. If I see someone else talking about an idea or theory I originally had, I don't presume they're being discourteous either.
QUOTE (EasyMac @ Aug 24 2007, 07:21 PM)
Not everyone on these boards reads every thread - so it may indeed be an idea they had on their own. Nor does everyone remember everything that they've read or who said it.
I can only speak for myself, but if I mention an idea that someone else posted in a thread last year or even yesterday, it's not as if I am "purposefully" stealing someone else's ideas and theories. I am not intentionally being discourteous. If I see someone else talking about an idea or theory I originally had, I don't presume they're being discourteous either.
I can only speak for myself, but if I mention an idea that someone else posted in a thread last year or even yesterday, it's not as if I am "purposefully" stealing someone else's ideas and theories. I am not intentionally being discourteous. If I see someone else talking about an idea or theory I originally had, I don't presume they're being discourteous either.
I think you're being too sensitive here. I'm hardly the only one who has mentioned ideas that someone else also had, and nobody else has a problem with someone saying they had an idea first. It happens all the time, but you're the first person to say something. And I didn't say you were discourteous-I said for myself, I feel it is a courtesy to acknowledge other people's ideas.
QUOTE (rockingmule @ Aug 24 2007, 08:26 PM)
I think you're being too sensitive here. I'm hardly the only one who has mentioned ideas that someone else also had, and nobody else has a problem with someone saying they had an idea first.
I am being too sensitive? LOL No, because I don't worry about it.
I was explaining why some people might not acknowledge someone else's idea because you suggested it was the courteous thing to do. And I wasn't suggesting people have a problem with acknowledging someone else's idea.
Simply saying not everyone reads every post, every thread... therefore they don't know an idea may have been already been presented, so they aren't intentionally not mentioning the other perrson. That's all... seriously... that was all.
QUOTE (EasyMac @ Aug 24 2007, 07:33 PM)
I am being too sensitive? LOL No, because I don't worry about it.
I was explaining why some people might not acknowledge someone else's idea because you suggested it was the courteous thing to do. And I wasn't suggesting people have a problem with acknowledging someone else's idea.
Simply saying not everyone reads every post, every thread... therefore they don't know an idea may have been already been presented, so they aren't intentionally not mentioning the other perrson. That's all... seriously... that was all.
I was explaining why some people might not acknowledge someone else's idea because you suggested it was the courteous thing to do. And I wasn't suggesting people have a problem with acknowledging someone else's idea.
Simply saying not everyone reads every post, every thread... therefore they don't know an idea may have been already been presented, so they aren't intentionally not mentioning the other perrson. That's all... seriously... that was all.
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