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UncleJack
I have to say these episodes are gettin better and better this season. That one was really good. I particularly like the fact that Dr. Berkhoff has continued his research because they never did fill in that plot. I'm lookin forward to where that's going. And I also find it very refreshing to finally have another character on the show that shares the same perspective towards Jordan that I do. Dr. Berkhoff doesn't buy in to the whole heaven on earth thing and neither do I. It's good to have that idea at least being presented by another character on the show. Anyway, I love the way things worked out with Richard and Izzy, I thought that was cool. Lookin forward to next week. Later.
Phanta
I like that he is with Shawn, now Shawn isn't standing alone so to speak.
Promicinjunkie
But he wasn't standing alone, he had Heather Tobey. (I wonder why Shawn doesn't just get together with Heather and save himself from making another bad choice.)

I'm also glad Tess was finally healed of her schizophrenia. My only question: why hadn't Kevin asked Shawn before now?

And don't forget Kyle disobeying Jordan. That was delightful. It was nice to know Kyle still could think for himself.
Phanta
it was kinda cute Kyle trying to save little isabelle
UncleJack
Another thing I noticed...what about Kyle's famous ability now? I mean, the events of this episode kinda put a wrench in the whole messiah/shaman thing. Why would Cassie want Kyle to go chasin after Issabelle if he could do nothing to stop them. It doesn't appear he accomplished much. Maybe now Kyle will finally start to question the whims of his imaginary friend and start to do some investigating into this mysterious book she led him to.
EasyMac
QUOTE (UncleJack @ Aug 13 2007, 04:18 AM) *
Another thing I noticed...what about Kyle's famous ability now? I mean, the events of this episode kinda put a wrench in the whole messiah/shaman thing. Why would Cassie want Kyle to go chasin after Issabelle if he could do nothing to stop them. It doesn't appear he accomplished much. Maybe now Kyle will finally start to question the whims of his imaginary friend and start to do some investigating into this mysterious book she led him to.

ITA... if Cassie or the book haven't explained Isabelle's purpose/role, then why is Isabelle so important? Why did Cassie have Kyle chase after her? I think Kyle has to ask Cassie what is so important about Isabelle...

and then we'd find out what Cassie is all about.
LeadingLady
QUOTE (UncleJack @ Aug 12 2007, 09:46 PM) *
I have to say these episodes are gettin better and better this season. That one was really good. I particularly like the fact that Dr. Berkhoff has continued his research because they never did fill in that plot. I'm lookin forward to where that's going. And I also find it very refreshing to finally have another character on the show that shares the same perspective towards Jordan that I do. Dr. Berkhoff doesn't buy in to the whole heaven on earth thing and neither do I. It's good to have that idea at least being presented by another character on the show. Anyway, I love the way things worked out with Richard and Izzy, I thought that was cool. Lookin forward to next week. Later.



Yeah this episode was pretty good! I liked that with Isabelle. biggrin.gif

theloniousMac
QUOTE (EasyMac @ Aug 13 2007, 07:44 AM) *
ITA... if Cassie or the book haven't explained Isabelle's purpose/role, then why is Isabelle so important? Why did Cassie have Kyle chase after her? I think Kyle has to ask Cassie what is so important about Isabelle...

and then we'd find out what Cassie is all about.


Cassie has got to be the dumbest ability, I mean that's the kind of stupid ability I'd get for risking my life with promycin. 50/50 chance on dying and what do you get? An imaginary friend? Seriously, Kyle's ability must be related to how the "future" controled him when he shot Jordan. In fact, Cassie may be the personality that was in control all along. If so, Cassie has motives that are convoluted to say the least.

Isabelle is still important because her abilities will be back next week. In reversing Isabelle's age, it is more than likely that Richard has reset her unique physiology as well. He should have considered this before tampering with things he didn't understand.

I'm betting that she goes through the rapid aging thing again, and pops out all super powerful again. I'm also hoping that we get to see her in skimpy lingerie again soon! Megalyn Echikunwoke is so freaking hot!

I also forsee 2 camps of promycin positives growing. One camp with Shawn (Sean?) and one camp with Jordan. Watch, Richard stays with Jordan. Isabelle goes to Jordan. (If Kyle is lucky.)
Phanta
I think Richard is going to end up in jail or go to Shawn. I don't think he likes the Jordan PC thing. And I think Cassie is a link to the PFTF and not an ability. Kyle's ability is that he can "receive her thoughts", because he was meant to be the communication between the PFTF and Tom from the beginning.
Chewy
QUOTE (UncleJack @ Aug 13 2007, 03:18 AM) *
Another thing I noticed...what about Kyle's famous ability now? I mean, the events of this episode kinda put a wrench in the whole messiah/shaman thing. Why would Cassie want Kyle to go chasin after Issabelle if he could do nothing to stop them. It doesn't appear he accomplished much. Maybe now Kyle will finally start to question the whims of his imaginary friend and start to do some investigating into this mysterious book she led him to.




LOL. It seems Kyle is the most tragic figure in this show, with Richard a close second. Poor Kyle. Shawn wound up with the healing power he may have been given imo when Shawn pushed him aside and was abducted instead. Then an entity turns him into a hit man, then he spends time in jail, then he takes promicin to get a power but what does he get instead? Super bangs Cassie who couldn't help him in a fight with Richard. If the show goes into a fifth season, I sure would like to see them do right by Kyle.
EasyMac
QUOTE (theloniousMac @ Aug 13 2007, 09:34 AM) *
Cassie has got to be the dumbest ability, I mean that's the kind of stupid ability I'd get for risking my life with promycin. 50/50 chance on dying and what do you get? An imaginary friend?

And she's got those nasty bangs! What is up with them? Super bangs are so not a cool ability.
greatshow
QUOTE (UncleJack @ Aug 13 2007, 04:18 AM) *
Another thing I noticed...what about Kyle's famous ability now? I mean, the events of this episode kinda put a wrench in the whole messiah/shaman thing. Why would Cassie want Kyle to go chasin after Issabelle if he could do nothing to stop them. It doesn't appear he accomplished much. Maybe now Kyle will finally start to question the whims of his imaginary friend and start to do some investigating into this mysterious book she led him to.



That's a good point.
Chewy
QUOTE (EasyMac @ Aug 13 2007, 10:45 AM) *
And she's got those nasty bangs! What is up with them? Super bangs are so not a cool ability.



She's rockin' that 60's retro look, only the bangs are cut too straight across. I notice she's
got a hint of sideburn bangs too. I took a look at her other pictures on imdb and with the hair grown out more and wispy at the ends, it looks better. Plus with short bangs and a side swipe she's hot.

Maybe in the future they have a thing for super bangs LOL
EasyMac
QUOTE (Chewy @ Aug 13 2007, 12:18 PM) *
Maybe in the future they have a thing for super bangs LOL

Yeah you know how these fads recycle all the time.
sin392
Okay my two cents...what I liked and what I didn't like about the show...

I loved seeing Richard again...and I hope to see more but on with the show lol

RICHARD
I was glad to hear Richard admit his part in what happened to Izzy. Granted he was going through a rough time, even he knew the Izzy needed guidance (and not from a friend) but from her father. He wasn't there for her...and he never fully connected with her...he was afraid of her ...so I was glad to hear him take responsibilty for his ish in all of this.

IZZY
I was really glad to hear Izzy take her responsibility for her ish. I was really impressed with Izzy. I mean, at any moment after the kidnaping, she could have yelled and screamed at Richard...hated him even (and I would say with good reason)...but she didn't....even at the age of 8 (first off...who give a kid that much of a choice about thier lives at EIGHT YEARS OLD...especially after the harm already done? Come on Rick, you screwed up royally there). She made the choice to want to make things right with her dad....to have the relationship and hopefully the guidance that she was denied....maybe turning into a better person.....THAT WAS A HUGE LEAP OF FAITH IN HER DAD & THE FUTURE.

KYLE
So totally on the fence about him right now LOLOL On one hand, I was glad to hear him say that Izzy was important to him (and it alluded to more than just friendship but it played so right that it can go either way). So really liked and was impressed with his concern for Izzy.
Now on the other hand....he cares for Izzy so much that he has to wait to get the OKAY from Cassie to do what he knows in his heart he should have done in the first place? Kyle, Kyle...KYLE you're killing me here! Jordan doesn't want you to go (even though you know Izzy is important to the movement)...so you don't go? This is the one time that I liked Cassie LOL Yea Kyle...WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! With that said....I still don't trust Cassie as far as I can through her....even more so now. She knows more than she is telling or willing to tell...thus things will happen that could have been avoided sooner....not a 'good ability' if you ask me....even is you can call it that (and I don't think it's an ability).

JORDAN
Doubting Jordan as being a good guy, his actions keep confirming to me that he aint all that good. Kyle is important to the movement...we don't know if Izzy is...to take it or leave it...and the biggy

What did Richard do to BETRAY Jordan or the 4400????? Take his daughter away? Be able to get in and out without being noticed??? Were is the betrayal? That Richard wasn't totally snowed by you and wasn't going to 'help' you ? Because he wasn't WITH YOU, his is AGAINST YOU???

Interesting Jordan's views on what constitutes betray...especially when no one was betrayed...Didn't he hear Richard clearly when he said...I'm just hear to reconnect with my daughter? Hmmmmm....me thinks not...my opinion.

MEGAN
So don't trust this babe at all. Tom so think sometimes you are just not all there. She's either a marked or working for them...that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Not a good guy...so Tom be careful.

TOM
Everything is never clear cut and dry is it. But you love your son can't deny that.

TESS, KEVIN, SHAWN
IMO....really lame was to try and introduce to the canvas Kevin's theory about promicin...especially since we didn't get it and have to wait til next week and beyond to hear about it.
In other words...I think this could have been done better...especially when the points are to reveal a theory and try to keep the audience guessing constantly about whether Jordan is a good guy or bad guy....One Day ..the writes will have to deal with him LOL

What I hated about the show....I have to wait to next week to get more answers to my questions LOL

sin
rockingmule
QUOTE (sin392 @ Aug 13 2007, 11:55 AM) *
RICHARD
I was glad to hear Richard admit his part in what happened to Izzy...I was glad to hear him take responsibilty for his ish in all of this.

I was impressed with Richard right up to the moment he violated Isabelle's trust. He lost me there.
QUOTE (sin392 @ Aug 13 2007, 11:55 AM) *
IZZY
I was really glad to hear Izzy take her responsibility for her ish. I was really impressed with Izzy.

I was very impressed with Isabelle too. I felt very sorry for her when she was all alone at the end and Richard finally offered her a choice. It wasn't much of a choice at that point, isolated as she was from any help if she denied her father's wishes.
QUOTE (sin392 @ Aug 13 2007, 11:55 AM) *
KYLE
I was glad to hear him say that Izzy was important to him...on the other hand....he cares for Izzy so much that he has to wait to get the OKAY from Cassie to do what he knows in his heart he should have done in the first place?

Oh, I know just what you mean! To sit back and wait for Cassie to tell him to go after Isabelle was SO not good.
QUOTE (sin392 @ Aug 13 2007, 11:55 AM) *
JORDAN
Doubting Jordan as being a good guy...Kyle is important to the movement...we don't know if Izzy is...to take it or leave it...and...What did Richard do to BETRAY Jordan or the 4400?????

Yes, I was terribly disappointed in Jordan's reaction. If he cares about Kyle, he should have cared about Kyle's feelings. Kyle said Isabelle was important to him-just the look on his face should have made Jordan feel like he wanted to help. I do understand why Jordan felt betrayed by Richard, though. You don't go into a man's home and kidnap somebody he's taking care of. I know I'm old-fashioned in this, but I feel rules of hospitality apply to guests as well as hosts.
QUOTE (sin392 @ Aug 13 2007, 11:55 AM) *
MEGAN
So don't trust this babe at all. Tom so think sometimes you are just not all there. She's either a marked or working for them...that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Not a good guy...so Tom be careful.

I thought Megan was great in this episode. Her and Tom are cute together and she was willing to talk to Jordan for a lead on Isabelle and she supported Tom's decision to let Kyle go.
QUOTE (sin392 @ Aug 13 2007, 11:55 AM) *
TOM
Everything is never clear cut and dry is it. But you love your son can't deny that.

Yes! Tom totally rocked.
QUOTE (sin392 @ Aug 13 2007, 11:55 AM) *
TESS, KEVIN, SHAWN
IMO....really lame was to try and introduce to the canvas Kevin's theory about promicin...especially since we didn't get it and have to wait til next week and beyond to hear about it.

Yes, it was lame, but the interaction between these three people was great. And I loved when Kevin and Tess kissed.
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