I did not realize how much I miss Richard until this episode, I've been looking forward to his appearance since the first episode of the season, but I did not realize that I missed him this much. Today Richard was sexy, dangerous, sad and loving. I loved his storyline with Izzy, and this was the first episode this season that I was sorry to see end, I wanted it to be so much longer.

I can't wait to see more of him next Sunday.

I've missed him also. I really want to know where he's been, who else he's run into (and where they are) and what he's been up to. Where does he come down in this whole crazy situation? It was super cool to see him wield his abilities tonight. Guess he got along pretty well without Heather Tobey's help (though I loved their scenes).

I agree with you guys. He presents such a solid foundation and warmth to the show. I had such high expectations and believe they were met with the show tonight. Hurray for Richard!

For all the song lyrics lovers and haters Heres to you richard

Welcome Back.

Welcome back, your dreams where your ticket out.
Welcome back, to the same old place that you laughed about.
Well the names have all changed since you hung around.
But those dreams have remained, and they're turned around

Who'd have thought they'd lead ya (who'd have thought they'd lead ya)
Back where we need ya.(here where we need ya)
Ya we tease him alot cuz we got him on the spot
welcome back, welcome back, welcome back, welcome back

My goodness. Richard.. oh Richard.

Seriously, if you want hot pics of the guys, go to gay websites they have the BEST. And they have great taste in men. LOL

Um...er... I'll let you do the pic gathering, K??

I kind of thought they turned him into a nut case in this episode. Even Kyle seemed to think he was acting crazy .

I wondered where he was, but after what he had done I'm not happy he has come back anymore.

I'm with you, Pau. I was real happy to see Richard, right up until the moment he violated Isabelle's rights. At that point he lost me. And to think they could have been happy together in Promise City.

You know, Jason, I thought it was a little odd, the way Kyle was almost glaring at Richard from the moment he showed up. VERY protective-I know Kyle is aware of what Richard had done with the syringe, but he was also aware of how much Isabelle needed to be taken down. Kyle's reaction seemed strange-it was almost like he knew Richard was up to no good.

I guess he thought things were just as when he left.
He didn't think about Isabelle growing up and taking her own decisions..I mean, her becaming an adult.

Well, again I am excited to see Richard back, even if it is for only a little while. I still am of the mind set that he is doing what he feels is best for his daughter and firmly believe that he will continue to do so.

I don not agree with you, but doesn't matter.

Different opinions.
No problem.
Everybody is free to think what he want to.

Sure, Richard thinks he's doing what is best for his daughter, Mickey. That doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what is actually best for his daughter. He wouldn't be the first parent who loved their kid and thought they were doing the best, but was actually doing something harmful. This is the 21st century, not medieval Europe. The time when a parent could say, "I'll do as I please with my children and no one can tell me different," are thankfully long gone. Children are no longer property-they are people, with rights that the law recognizes. In particular, adult children are not the chattel of their parents, especially in the United States. I know he loves her, but if Richard truly wants to do what is best for Isabelle, he will do well in the future to consult her wishes and not just his own.

I totally understand what you are saying, Rock, regarding the right to choose. But my thinking, in the world of sci-fi not the real world, I am seeing it as a great story of loving a child. It could be a mistake but parents make mistakes all of the time in raising their children. All the way down to not wanting to let go even after they are adults. But Richard is giving her a way to have a normal upbringing with normal experiences. Now...do I think this is going to continue this way. Hmmmm no way! Something will happen and Richard will do what he needs to do to protect/take care of Isabelle. Call me crazy but I can't see them being happy in the PC. Jordan didn't get want he wanted from Richard and he turned Richard and Isabelle in for a future payback. It is apparent that he doesn't have a need for her. So he gave them up to NTAC. This story is giving us another side of Isabelle in that we are beginning to care about her. Yikes...did I say that?

Mickey, Jordan had Kyle's blessing to turn Richard in to NTAC. Kyle cares deeply for Isabelle, as a friend if nothing more, and he wanted to use every avenue to have Richard caught. As Elessar said, just because Jordan said it would be helpful to have NTAC in his debt, that doesn't mean that he didn't also have a concern about Isabelle.

I have two big problems with what Richard did. The first, of course, is that she is an adult and he treated her like a car he was repossessing. Terrible. The second problem is that Isabelle was so happy to see Richard-so eager to make him welcome, and he didn't even try to get to know her. He didn't have any clue what was going on with her, and he didn't want to know.

I don't see this as a great story of loving a child. Love is when you do what is best for the person you love, and Richard didn't even know the person Isabelle had become, so there's no way he was trying to think of what was best for her. Isabelle was an adult and Richard took her away from the only home she had and the only place she was safe. He might not have been happy in Promise City, but he would have been happier there than he will be in jail, knowing that his actions left Isabelle alone and vulnerable to the outside world. Richard and Isabelle could be spending time together, catching up and building a healthy relationship. Instead, she'll be at the mercy of Tom after he goes Marked. Isabelle did not have a normal childhood-so what? There are plenty of people who have had miserable childhoods who become healthy well-adjusted adults. Our character is built on our past-Isabelle deserved the chance to continue with the path she had chosen and Richard is already sorry for what he has done and is going to be much sorrier, especially when he has to sit in jail and think of how he threw away their chance to be happy together.

He dindn't try to know her because he had planned to kidnap her that night and know her on the upcoming years....al Izzy's chilhood.



Richard didn't realise that Isabelle was very capable of chosing by herself by this point.

That's because he didn't want to know. I know Richard loves Isabelle and he didn't mean to hurt her. But he did hurt her, because he didn't think of anything except what he wanted. Selfishness always causes problems.

"Be selfish and you'll hurt many people you love and will end alone"

I've just enunciated the first 4400 moral!
ea!
hehe

Again, I understand what you are saying, Rock. We just have to disagree cause I saw it differently.

i agree with you mickey, Richard was right to help Isabelle have something she never had.

Yes...But he seems to have forgotten that Isabelle was not the same daughter he had left.
She was grown up and took her decision of living in PC.
I think that Richard, as his father, should have respected that.


P.S.: my 200 post!

Congratulations on your 200th post, Pau! And thanks for the 4400 moral.

Okay, Mickey.

Well, Isabelle is grown up again in the previews so did Richard find a way to reverse making Izzy younger? Or did it just wear off? Even though I'm not sure that what Richard did was the right thing or not and it very well may have bad consequences, I don't believe he was doing it out of selfish reasons. To me selfish would have been to walk away and let Izzy find her own way through confusion, guilt and doubt. Going into PC with all it's protection and filled with P+'s who have some gifts that couldv'e hurt him was fairly brave. I think Richard should've gotten to know Izzy first and go from there but maybe it was for the best. This is the first time that Izzy had to listen to and do as her father said. Yeah, it was hard for her but probably in the long run a good experience.
I think that this episode was very telling into Izzy's character. She didn't want to become younger and she was crying and upset, but for her that's a good thing. Mainly because I think that's the first time I can recollect Izzy crying. That's a big step for her. Then to show that she was beginning to forget her past and all the terrible things that she did. You could see that she was taking it all in, thinking about it and what it would mean. Izzy was always smart so her being younger didn't change that so I think she was completely aware of the consequences of her decisions when she drank the water. And then the way she ran into her father's arms and said "daddy." She knew who he was, she knew how she felt about him. With the exception of the few times as a baby, that's probably the happiest I've seen Izzy. I think that no matter what happens, Izzy will come out of this the better.
And Richard, I think that if he took the initiative to reverse it then he is again doing something in her best interest. Sure, he's reversing his original decision and if that turned out to be a mistake I'm ok with that. All of the characters have made mistakes. That's why we can relate to them and connect with them because they are human, just like us. I think Richard was finally trying to be the father he should have been all along and I think he'll continue to make decisions in her best interest.
Just thought I'd throw my two cents in.

You think them and I enunicate them!

Is it coming the 4400 moral thread?...
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P.S.: thanks for the congrats Rock!

Thanks for your two cents, I always enjoy reading your posts.

Nice post Elessar!

Sorry, Elessar, but I have to strongly disagree here. There's no way that a father kidnapping his adult daughter and destroying the life she was building can ever be a good experience. If Isabelle gets something good out of this, it will be in spite of what Richard did, not because of it. I know he thought he was acting out of love, but that's just going to make it worse for him when he's stuck in jail and Isabelle is at Tom's mercy, especially when he has to think about how they could have been building a happy relationship as father and adult daughter.

I've to said that I agree with you; but I think that you and I are the only ones tonight who don't support what Richard has done.

I agree, I concur! I bolded the parts that I super-duper agree with! LOL

Now ... I feel an in-depth analyze and compare coming on.

What makes you think that Easy?

I think there's at least a few "adults" who benefit from their parents getting them out of a hellish life (cult, substance abuse) and forcing them into rehab/reprogramming.

Now, would I regress my children back to 2 yr olds? No way in heck. Coz no way do I want to go through potty-training them again!

That's ok Rock. We can disagree.

Normally I would agree with what you said, but this isn't just some father or some adult daughter. I think for Isabelle it is a good experience for her to have to listen to her father. To learn that he is an authority figure. She's never had to learn to be submissive to a person in authority, with the exception of Jordan and even then it's not the same as parental authority.
And I think saying he destoyed her life is a bit of a strech. She did that all on her own last season. And this season, well so far she's been in jail for a couple of episodes, then hiding out in some shack for a couple of episodes, the chained up in a mine for an episode, and then in PC for a couple of episodes escorting tresspassers to the perimiter and doing some gardening. About the only good thing in her life is the friendship she's making with Kyle, but forgive me all Kyle fans for saying this, but he's a radical extremists in some cult wanting to see everyone take promicin knowing the risks while making decisions based on what some red-headed apparition tells him. Not exactly the kind of guy you want your daughter dating.
You may be right and he may regret his decision after what happens with Tom transpires. Can't wait to watch and find out.

Inside joke, sorry, Phanta!

O I got it, believe me. Just waiting on the rebuttle.

You're right, I don't want my daughter to date him. I want to date him! LMAO

Well, I don't have a daughter, and I know I don't want my son dating him. I'd give him a run for his money.

LMAO! Calm yourself girl. Get your hormones under control!

*pouts*

You know, I'm getting the feeling that you post just so that you can see Kyle via your avatar. I'm on to you.

HEY! Now everyone knows my secret!

for u Easy

Thank you....

I like Tom, Shawn, Jordan and Richard, too.

Is that all? Another nite of gay websites for me. Sheesh the things I do for you.

But I'm worth it.

NOW see if you can answer my question on the off topic thread. LOL