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Rinlove
I Love this show. I think that Isabelle's wig is not cute. I think that it looks good sometimes but then up close and on the top it looks to fake. If it was a little shorter then it would look better. I think her real hair is much prettier.

I hope that her and Kyle get together. I think they would make a good couple.
kylelovesizzyforever
QUOTE (Rinlove @ Aug 10 2007, 02:25 AM) *
I Love this show. I think that Isabelle's wig is not cute. I think that it looks good sometimes but then up close and on the top it looks to fake. If it was a little shorter then it would look better. I think her real hair is much prettier.

I hope that her and Kyle get together. I think they would make a good couple.



isn't it a weave?
but i do think that kyle and isabelle would make a cute couple...they're like perfect for eachother and at this point if kyle and isabelle get together its not like last year with her and shawn cuz more people really do like the relationship between kyle and isabelle so them possibly becoming more is just like the next step for them
but i really love them together
zippylittlerat
I must be pretty dumb. I didn't even know she had a wig!
rockingmule
QUOTE (kylelovesizzyforever @ Aug 10 2007, 01:09 PM) *
but i do think that kyle and isabelle would make a cute couple...they're like perfect for eachother

I totally agree. I was saying this last year-Kyle and Isabelle are just right for each other and I think they'll make a great couple. I hope they get married by the end of the show.
EasyMac
QUOTE (zippylittlerat @ Aug 10 2007, 04:22 PM) *
I must be pretty dumb. I didn't even know she had a wig!

LOL... it's not something I noticed either.

A Kyle/Isabelle relationship appears to be where the show is heading, if that's true, I hope they make it work more naturally than the Shawn/Isabelle storyline.
zippylittlerat
The good news is, they're headed on a nice, believable development. Their both blacksheep who have "killed" Collier, they've both been screwed over and used by the future, they have father issues, and Kyle was the first person (and pretty much the only one) to have given Isabelle a true shot. No suspicion of fear or hatred. I can definately see her going for him, and I don't think Kyle will resist. And the funny thing is, I don't mind the schmaltzyness! I actually kind of like them together, because any relationship they have doesn't seemed forced.
rockingmule
QUOTE (zippylittlerat @ Aug 10 2007, 07:30 PM) *
I actually kind of like them together, because any relationship they have doesn't seemed forced.

It's already a lot better than anything Isabelle had with Shawn-her and Kyle like each other and enjoy each other's company. And they haven't jumped into bed together-they're taking their time. I like it.
greatshow
QUOTE (zippylittlerat @ Aug 10 2007, 04:22 PM) *
I must be pretty dumb. I didn't even know she had a wig!


Most of the time Megalyn is wearing a wig or extentions. Most women of African decent cannot take constant changing of hairstyles without causing damage to the hair.
evenstar22
QUOTE (greatshow @ Aug 10 2007, 09:42 PM) *
Most of the time Megalyn is wearing a wig or extentions. Most women of African decent cannot take constant changing of hairstyles without causing damage to the hair.


yeah it's funny i too at first thought it was her hair,but then i kinda wondered at it been of a different length so then i thought maybe since it's not frizzy any more that's her natural length ,but last epi "no exit" is where i clearly saw it was a weave if not a wig well it makes her look softer(nicer)?,
i have a cousin who can spot from afar if an african-american is wearing a wig or weave,and if we believe her every black female entertainer wears one starting with OPRAH "queen of weave"...!lol!
keep up the good work shizzy....coz ur worth it(l'oreal)
greatshow
QUOTE (evenstar22 @ Aug 10 2007, 11:28 PM) *
yeah it's funny i too at first thought it was her hair,but then i kinda wondered at it been of a different length so then i thought maybe since it's not frizzy any more that's her natural length ,but last epi "no exit" is where i clearly saw it was a weave if not a wig well it makes her look softer(nicer)?,
i have a cousin who can spot from afar if an african-american is wearing a wig or weave,and if we believe her every black female entertainer wears one starting with OPRAH "queen of weave"...!lol!
keep up the good work shizzy....coz ur worth it(l'oreal)

Actually most black female entertainers do. It is common for black female to wear wigs and extensions in real life.
evenstar22
QUOTE (greatshow @ Aug 10 2007, 10:36 PM) *
Actually most black female entertainers do. It is common for black female to wear wigs and extensions in real life.


the thing is i can never tell ,and well i'm always a bit suspicious when she points it out to me constantly and so we end up discussing coz i'd like to believe that some black women do have long natural hair and i dont get the need to always have one ,i know some soul singers dont have any coz of the afro style to which my cuz retorts well u know even the afro now can be a weave to which i reply "america ...indeed..endless dreams and possibilities seriously" why u never can tell what's real and what's not...u know how hair can be an important topic for girls!
JordanFan
I also think Kyle and Isabelle would make a great couple. They seem to be developing an actual friendship first, which is something that never took place with Shawn and Isabelle. I never liked them together, but not because of her, I don't know why, maybe it was the way Shawn was so judgemental over Jordan and the way he handled women, and I am not defending the way Jordan handled women folks, but I didn't think Shawn did that much different, I mean, how long did he know Isabelle after she grew up before he jumped in the sack with her, and he could have resisted folks, I blame him for the start of it, because he was older, more mature than her, he could have showed restraint. And he didn't get all weird about it until Richard started to suspect. Not to mention what happened with his brother Danny's girlfriend. Shawn loves to preach what he doesn't practice. I just don't see him as the goody goody everyone else seems to. But yeah, I love the prospect of Kyle and Isabelle together.
angelicdeception
I think the Izzy and Kyle angle (as the real love story) is too obvious and simple. If they hook up it's like- oh, well totally saw that coming and "their so similar" and "so much more compatible" or whatever. But let's be real- Kyle isn't on Izzy's level. No offense to Kyle fans- I think his character is complex and deep and growing but with the thing on power and personality- he's not his own man yet. And he's very much doing a good amount of this stuff (trying to get powers, etc) to try and prove something or be a part of something. Maybe it's my Izzy bias but she's needs a more willfull man- a more..I don't know..Shawn character. Shawn has pride, conviction, and he can hold a grudge (as we can see) like no body's business. Shawn and Izzy's relationship is classic super couple type. Turbulent, crazy, "I hate you, I love you"- type- BUT, it also has a new spin b/c the female is this super human figure of the future who may be a part of bringing down the future of a large group of people, or maybe Shawn is- their separate stories alone are interesting, and add this SCREWED up past of theirs, with their undeniable attraction to one another (not just physical, but a connection as Izzy pointed out in one of her blogs last year), well you got a crazy interesting story. I think the Kyle and Izzy relationship is a means to driving forth Shawn's increasing interaction with Izzy next year, or something, a means to an end if you will. The no exit episode of Shawn and Izzy placing themselves TOGETHER on the cot was not lost on me. The Kyle and Izzy thing is a red herring..

-AG
greatshow
QUOTE (angelicdeception @ Aug 11 2007, 02:18 AM) *
I think the Izzy and Kyle angle (as the real love story) is too obvious and simple. If they hook up it's like- oh, well totally saw that coming and "their so similar" and "so much more compatible" or whatever. But let's be real- Kyle isn't on Izzy's level. No offense to Kyle fans- I think his character is complex and deep and growing but with the thing on power and personality- he's not his own man yet. And he's very much doing a good amount of this stuff (trying to get powers, etc) to try and prove something or be a part of something. Maybe it's my Izzy bias but she's needs a more willfull man- a more..I don't know..Shawn character. Shawn has pride, conviction, and he can hold a grudge (as we can see) like no body's business. Shawn and Izzy's relationship is classic super couple type. Turbulent, crazy, "I hate you, I love you"- type- BUT, it also has a new spin b/c the female is this super human figure of the future who may be a part of bringing down the future of a large group of people, or maybe Shawn is- their separate stories alone are interesting, and add this SCREWED up past of theirs, with their undeniable attraction to one another (not just physical, but a connection as Izzy pointed out in one of her blogs last year), well you got a crazy interesting story. I think the Kyle and Izzy relationship is a means to driving forth Shawn's increasing interaction with Izzy next year, or something, a means to an end if you will. The no exit episode of Shawn and Izzy placing themselves TOGETHER on the cot was not lost on me. The Kyle and Izzy thing is a red herring..

-AG


It does appear the writers may go the love triangle route next but Shawn as currently constructed would not be a good me mate for Izzy because he is scared of her. After being totally punked by Izzy last year, it will be a difficult sell to bring them together. As for Kyle not being his own man, I think he is more of a man than Shawn at his point. Shawn is a fence sitter and needs to take a side. Kyle rightly or wrongly has made that decision.
rockingmule
QUOTE (angelicdeception @ Aug 11 2007, 01:18 AM) *
Shawn and Izzy's relationship is classic super couple type. Turbulent, crazy, "I hate you, I love you"- type-

That's not a classic love story. Turbulent and crazy "I hate you, I love you" is classic soap opera. Thankfully this isn't a soap opera, so the chance of Shawn getting back with Isabelle is practically nil. They had a terrible relationship, it ended badly, they've both moved on, and neither of them wants to get back together. I hope they'll be friends again one day, but Kyle and Isabelle are a much better couple. At least they have something real.
RamonaE
QUOTE (zippylittlerat @ Aug 10 2007, 03:22 PM) *
I must be pretty dumb. I didn't even know she had a wig!



I think it's more of a hair weave. Hair-weaves aren't just for african-american women anymore, all ethncities are wearing them now. I remember reading an article about Lucy Lawless wearing a weave during her Xena days.

Anywhoo, I bet they put some extra hair in Diana's head too.
greatshow
QUOTE (zippylittlerat @ Aug 10 2007, 04:22 PM) *
I must be pretty dumb. I didn't even know she had a wig!

At the stage where Izzy was suppose to be a teenager, that was Megalyn's real hair.
RamonaE
QUOTE (angelicdeception @ Aug 11 2007, 01:18 AM) *
I think the Izzy and Kyle angle (as the real love story) is too obvious and simple. If they hook up it's like- oh, well totally saw that coming and "their so similar" and "so much more compatible" or whatever. But let's be real- Kyle isn't on Izzy's level. No offense to Kyle fans- I think his character is complex and deep and growing but with the thing on power and personality- he's not his own man yet. And he's very much doing a good amount of this stuff (trying to get powers, etc) to try and prove something or be a part of something. Maybe it's my Izzy bias but she's needs a more willfull man- a more..I don't know..Shawn character. Shawn has pride, conviction, and he can hold a grudge (as we can see) like no body's business. Shawn and Izzy's relationship is classic super couple type. Turbulent, crazy, "I hate you, I love you"- type- BUT, it also has a new spin b/c the female is this super human figure of the future who may be a part of bringing down the future of a large group of people, or maybe Shawn is- their separate stories alone are interesting, and add this SCREWED up past of theirs, with their undeniable attraction to one another (not just physical, but a connection as Izzy pointed out in one of her blogs last year), well you got a crazy interesting story. I think the Kyle and Izzy relationship is a means to driving forth Shawn's increasing interaction with Izzy next year, or something, a means to an end if you will. The no exit episode of Shawn and Izzy placing themselves TOGETHER on the cot was not lost on me. The Kyle and Izzy thing is a red herring..

-AG


I can definitely respect your opinion. However, I think the writers wrote the Shawn/Izzy relationship in an unhealthy way.

Although, I do agree that Shawn and Izzy had good chemistry. But from everything I've seen they're moving towards a healthy Kyle/Izzy ship. I recently saw a Meghalyn interview and she said that Izzy is moving on to a different man. I believe that man is Kyle.

I'll try to find that interview so I can post it.
RamonaE
QUOTE (greatshow @ Aug 13 2007, 12:27 AM) *
At the stage where Izzy was suppose to be a teenager, that was Megalyn's real hair.


I don't even think that was her real hair. That actually looked like a wig.
evenstar22
QUOTE (angelicdeception @ Aug 11 2007, 01:18 AM) *
I think the Izzy and Kyle angle (as the real love story) is too obvious and simple. If they hook up it's like- oh, well totally saw that coming and "their so similar" and "so much more compatible" or whatever. But let's be real- Kyle isn't on Izzy's level. No offense to Kyle fans- I think his character is complex and deep and growing but with the thing on power and personality- he's not his own man yet. And he's very much doing a good amount of this stuff (trying to get powers, etc) to try and prove something or be a part of something. Maybe it's my Izzy bias but she's needs a more willfull man- a more..I don't know..Shawn character. Shawn has pride, conviction, and he can hold a grudge (as we can see) like no body's business. Shawn and Izzy's relationship is classic super couple type. Turbulent, crazy, "I hate you, I love you"- type- BUT, it also has a new spin b/c the female is this super human figure of the future who may be a part of bringing down the future of a large group of people, or maybe Shawn is- their separate stories alone are interesting, and add this SCREWED up past of theirs, with their undeniable attraction to one another (not just physical, but a connection as Izzy pointed out in one of her blogs last year), well you got a crazy interesting story. I think the Kyle and Izzy relationship is a means to driving forth Shawn's increasing interaction with Izzy next year, or something, a means to an end if you will. The no exit episode of Shawn and Izzy placing themselves TOGETHER on the cot was not lost on me. The Kyle and Izzy thing is a red herring..

-AG


i love what ur saying ,it's so nice to see someone getting the same vibe as u from characters/show it's a pleasant feeling u never get tired of; knowing ur not alone in what some might consider having wacky thoughts,there were alot of innuendos and subtlety going on with those two where it leads is up to the writers and producers so i'll let it at that,sometimes i feel i've read to many books and seen too many films so i pick up on a certain input of ingredients which sometimes makes me feel like a precog(seen minority report) lol i dont take myself seriously of course i can tell what's gonna happen like 5sc before it's not much but lol!!! that's my 4400 ability ah ah ah!!! laugh.gif
kylelovesizzyforever
QUOTE (RamonaE @ Aug 13 2007, 01:33 AM) *
I don't even think that was her real hair. That actually looked like a wig.

that was definately her hair u can tell just when looking at it
when its a weave or a wig u can tell but like with real hair u can see the roots
so trust me tha was her hair
RamonaE
QUOTE (kylelovesizzyforever @ Aug 13 2007, 10:28 PM) *
that was definately her hair u can tell just when looking at it
when its a weave or a wig u can tell but like with real hair u can see the roots
so trust me tha was her hair


I don't think so. The front of it around the bang area did not mesh with the hairline, at least not when she was in front of the mirror.

As for wigs, they have wigs now that have different coloring, that look very natural b/c of the way the roots are done. But there was something about the hairline that just didn't look right.

Also, I think her natural hair is typically chemically straightened and if so, it would take an additional chemical curl to make it curly again, unless it grew out.
Phanta
RamonaE
I don't doubt that her natural hair is similar but the recent pics I've seen of her, without her hair pieces, have been with chemically straight hair.

When she had the curly hair in the episode, her hairline looked weird, which is why I believe it was a wig.

moccat
Really I don't care about Isabelles hair - it looks great - wig or what ever - she is a pretty girl.

But I do have a problem with her and Kyle getting together for one reason only.

And that is Cassie.
I mean come on -if they are to get close - Kyle has to get rid of his ability.
Imagine - them beeing intimate - and suddenly Kyle beeing interrupted by Cassie sitting on the bed side - talking to him -
Cassie: Come on Kyle what are you waiting for - you have to finish now - because you must go to General street - something is about to happend. - hurry up!
Kyle: sorry Isabelle - we have to finish Cassie just told me that we have to go somewhere - BTW she liked your tattoo on your butt.
Phanta
QUOTE (RamonaE @ Aug 13 2007, 10:43 PM) *
I don't doubt that her natural hair is similar but the recent pics I've seen of her, without her hair pieces, have been with chemically straight hair.

When she had the curly hair in the episode, her hairline looked weird, which is why I believe it was a wig.


You need to remember they film these things months in advance. That could be her real hair and then she had it straightened.
RamonaE
QUOTE (Phanta @ Aug 14 2007, 09:30 AM) *
You need to remember they film these things months in advance. That could be her real hair and then she had it straightened.


True.
angelicdeception
QUOTE (rockingmule @ Aug 11 2007, 08:33 AM) *
That's not a classic love story. Turbulent and crazy "I hate you, I love you" is classic soap opera. Thankfully this isn't a soap opera, so the chance of Shawn getting back with Isabelle is practically nil. They had a terrible relationship, it ended badly, they've both moved on, and neither of them wants to get back together. I hope they'll be friends again one day, but Kyle and Isabelle are a much better couple. At least they have something real.


CSo are you saying u and down relationships don't happen on popular primetime dramas? B/c I'd say you aren't accurate. And hoping they'd "be friends" again or something along that line isn't television, it's real life (or logical life, b/c the "friends" route isn't even taken in real life somethimes)- and 4400 is FAR from that.

-AG
rockingmule
QUOTE (angelicdeception @ Aug 15 2007, 12:31 AM) *
CSo are you saying u and down relationships don't happen on popular primetime dramas? B/c I'd say you aren't accurate. And hoping they'd "be friends" again or something along that line isn't television, it's real life (or logical life, b/c the "friends" route isn't even taken in real life somethimes)- and 4400 is FAR from that.

-AG

The 4400 is a scifi show, but the character development and the relationships are very realistic. This isn't Dallas or As The World Turns. It's not a soap opera. It's all very well to imagine all kinds of things with Shawn and Isabelle if that's what floats your boat, but they never loved each other to begin with, they never had a real relationship except as friends, and they're not getting back together because neither one of them wants to get back together and they've both moved on. No squabbling, please. You've had your say, I've had mine, now let's leave it at that. A dozen threads got closed down because there was too much bickering over this dead issue.
EasyMac
QUOTE (angelicdeception @ Aug 15 2007, 01:31 AM) *
CSo are you saying u and down relationships don't happen on popular primetime dramas? B/c I'd say you aren't accurate. And hoping they'd "be friends" again or something along that line isn't television, it's real life (or logical life, b/c the "friends" route isn't even taken in real life somethimes)- and 4400 is FAR from that.

-AG

Yes, you're right AG. Generally, on TV.... ANYTHING can (and does) happen. People have come back to life when someone wakes up from a dream; people have slept with every character on the show with no real jealousy or loss of friends; characters have been replaced by other actors with no explanation; friends have become lovers, then haters, then friends, then lovers again; and so and so on.

So because of that history, any story line is possible on The 4400. If the producers and writers truly believe a certain story line will help the show, they'll go with it, regardless of how ridiculous it may seem. Sci-Fi allows for that more than the average primetime drama does, what with going back in time, rebirth, powers, etc being used as an explanation for the unusual storyline. We're seeing Isabelle being reverted to a little girl and now Lily will be appearing (altho likely to be a dream or illusion).

So I repeat ... anything can happen. I am not convinced that having Isabelle in any romantic relationship is a smart storyline but ... anything can and does happen.
rockingmule
QUOTE (EasyMac @ Aug 15 2007, 12:39 PM) *
I am not convinced that having Isabelle in any romantic relationship is a smart storyline but ... anything can and does happen.

That's true and it isn't, EasyMac. In a world like the 4400, a fictional world, obviously there's lot more leeway to bend the rules. Still, the fictional world exists by its own rules and those rules must be consistent to create an audience. Even mind-benders like Alice in Wonderland or The Wizard of Oz had their own crazy logic that they followed. So what does this mean for the world of the 4400? Well, it's been written as a scifi drama that deals realistically with characters and relationships. Certainly they could go the soap opera route, but will they? I doubt it. Soaps are a dime a dozen-they have very faithful followings too, but the creators of the 4400 TV show are not soap producers and somehow I don't think they will want to do 4 seasons of drama and then suddenly switch to a soap opera. They could-of course they could. I just don't think they will.
greatshow
QUOTE (EasyMac @ Aug 15 2007, 01:39 PM) *
Yes, you're right AG. Generally, on TV.... ANYTHING can (and does) happen. People have come back to life when someone wakes up from a dream; people have slept with every character on the show with no real jealousy or loss of friends; characters have been replaced by other actors with no explanation; friends have become lovers, then haters, then friends, then lovers again; and so and so on.

So because of that history, any story line is possible on The 4400. If the producers and writers truly believe a certain story line will help the show, they'll go with it, regardless of how ridiculous it may seem. Sci-Fi allows for that more than the average primetime drama do, what with going back in time, rebirth, powers, etc being used as an explanation for the unusual storyline. We're seeing Isabelle being reverted to a little girl and now Lily will be appearing (altho likely to be a dream or illusion).

So I repeat ... anything can happen. I am not convinced that having Isabelle in any romantic relationship is a smart storyline but ... anything can and does happen.

To tell the truth I have seen crazier things happen in real life. So her and Shawn getting is not out of the real of possibility. I hope they do not get back together.
EasyMac
QUOTE (greatshow @ Aug 15 2007, 01:48 PM) *
To tell the truth I have seen crazier things happen in real life. So her and Shawn getting is not out of the real of possibility. I hope they do not get back together.

LOL it's true ... some people's real lives have taken many crazy turns. Or people just doing outright stupid/crazy things.

I am more interested in the show staying off the romantic storylines, regardless of who the character(s) is.
princessmia
QUOTE (Rinlove @ Aug 10 2007, 01:25 AM) *
I Love this show. I think that Isabelle's wig is not cute. I think that it looks good sometimes but then up close and on the top it looks to fake. If it was a little shorter then it would look better. I think her real hair is much prettier.

I hope that her and Kyle get together. I think they would make a good couple.

I agree with everything you said, you can totally tell that she is wearing a wig; I love when she wears her hair curly. I think her and Kyle will be so cute together, they totally have chemistry.
wicartic
I'm not into the romantic storylines either in any show. Who cares who hooks up and who doesn't. That's just me, not to offend anyone here. smile.gif I'm more into the action and adventure of a series, then anything. Comes down to it, I like Isabelle and Kyle as friends that's it. Hints my signature.
rockingmule
QUOTE (EasyMac @ Aug 15 2007, 12:55 PM) *
LOL it's true ... some people's real lives have taken many crazy turns. Or people just doing outright stupid/crazy things.

I am more interested in the show staying off the romantic storylines, regardless of who the character(s) is.

It is true, EasyMac-sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Maybe you're right and the best thing is for the show to stay off the romantic storylines-unless you have an ulterior motive for saying that. Could it be you want to break up a budding romance between Tom and a certain blonde? biggrin.gif
princessmia
Has anyone every thought of the possibility when they say, "guess who is back, that they mean Isabelle's powers? Just think about it ,Tom goes renegade, and Isabelle is an adult again on next weeks show; they say that a dead Lilly is back but it has to be for a breif moment.

I do/did like the character Lilly so I hope her character does return.
princessmia
QUOTE (rockingmule @ Aug 10 2007, 05:30 PM) *
I totally agree. I was saying this last year-Kyle and Isabelle are just right for each other and I think they'll make a great couple. I hope they get married by the end of the show.



Rockingmule, I am shock. You were so against relationship talk what changed your mind. I like the Kyle and Isabelle think too.
princessmia
QUOTE (JordanFan @ Aug 11 2007, 01:07 AM) *
I also think Kyle and Isabelle would make a great couple. They seem to be developing an actual friendship first, which is something that never took place with Shawn and Isabelle. I never liked them together, but not because of her, I don't know why, maybe it was the way Shawn was so judgemental over Jordan and the way he handled women, and I am not defending the way Jordan handled women folks, but I didn't think Shawn did that much different, I mean, how long did he know Isabelle after she grew up before he jumped in the sack with her, and he could have resisted folks, I blame him for the start of it, because he was older, more mature than her, he could have showed restraint. And he didn't get all weird about it until Richard started to suspect. Not to mention what happened with his brother Danny's girlfriend. Shawn loves to preach what he doesn't practice. I just don't see him as the goody goody everyone else seems to. But yeah, I love the prospect of Kyle and Isabelle together.


I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU. You are the only viewer that saw how Shawn was as responsible for that bad relationship as well. Isabelle needed a friend, a big brother type and the Shawn character totally took advantage of that.
rockingmule
QUOTE (princessmia @ Aug 15 2007, 01:25 PM) *
Rockingmule, I am shock. You were so against relationship talk what changed your mind. I like the Kyle and Isabelle think too.

Like I said, Princess, I liked Kyle for Isabelle last year. I'm not against relationships as such, only toxic relationships like Shawn and Isabelle.
princessmia
QUOTE (angelicdeception @ Aug 11 2007, 01:18 AM) *
I think the Izzy and Kyle angle (as the real love story) is too obvious and simple. If they hook up it's like- oh, well totally saw that coming and "their so similar" and "so much more compatible" or whatever. But let's be real- Kyle isn't on Izzy's level. No offense to Kyle fans- I think his character is complex and deep and growing but with the thing on power and personality- he's not his own man yet. And he's very much doing a good amount of this stuff (trying to get powers, etc) to try and prove something or be a part of something. Maybe it's my Izzy bias but she's needs a more willfull man- a more..I don't know..Shawn character. Shawn has pride, conviction, and he can hold a grudge (as we can see) like no body's business. Shawn and Izzy's relationship is classic super couple type. Turbulent, crazy, "I hate you, I love you"- type- BUT, it also has a new spin b/c the female is this super human figure of the future who may be a part of bringing down the future of a large group of people, or maybe Shawn is- their separate stories alone are interesting, and add this SCREWED up past of theirs, with their undeniable attraction to one another (not just physical, but a connection as Izzy pointed out in one of her blogs last year), well you got a crazy interesting story. I think the Kyle and Izzy relationship is a means to driving forth Shawn's increasing interaction with Izzy next year, or something, a means to an end if you will. The no exit episode of Shawn and Izzy placing themselves TOGETHER on the cot was not lost on me. The Kyle and Izzy thing is a red herring..

-AG


I am one confussed person. I wanted to see Shawn and Izzy together too, but so many ppl hate the Isabelle character, to the point where they voted her as the person they would miss least on the show....DAMN!
Everyone thinks that the Shawn character is so undeniably wonderful and good, but I think that Shawn and Izzy did have a lot in common, Shawn just took a different approach to things. If Isabelle would think before she killed...lol! biggrin.gif I think her and Shawn just may have a shot, but Kyle's character does seem to be more compassionate about the welfare of Isabelle...Shawn's character didn't seem to care anything about that girl....I mean at all. They had his character use Izzy like she was a piece of meat, and when she saved him from the Nova grp he didn't even say thank you....LMAO!!! biggrin.gif
princessmia
QUOTE (rockingmule @ Aug 11 2007, 08:33 AM) *
That's not a classic love story. Turbulent and crazy "I hate you, I love you" is classic soap opera. Thankfully this isn't a soap opera, so the chance of Shawn getting back with Isabelle is practically nil. They had a terrible relationship, it ended badly, they've both moved on, and neither of them wants to get back together. I hope they'll be friends again one day, but Kyle and Isabelle are a much better couple. At least they have something real.


Rockingmule I respect your opinuion... I really do, but you are very harSh with the ideal of Shawn and Izzy...from your past post; If Izzy is so terrible to Shawn wouldn't you agree that they shouldn'e even be friends... I mean think about it, she tried to kill him and he just used her and when she saved his life -- and I say this again, he didn't even say Thank you. The girl clearly looked up to Shawn and instead of him being the friend or the "big brother" he screwd her, she needed guidance not penis....LOL!
Phanta
QUOTE (princessmia @ Aug 15 2007, 01:44 PM) *
I am one confussed person. I wanted to see Shawn and Izzy together too, but so many ppl hate the Isabelle character, to the point where they voted her as the person they would miss least on the show....DAMN!
Everyone thinks that the Shawn character is so undeniably wonderful and good, but I think that Shawn and Izzy did have a lot in common, Shawn just took a different approach to things. If Isabelle would think before she killed...lol! biggrin.gif I think her and Shawn just may have a shot, but Kyle's character does seem to be more compassionate about the welfare of Isabelle...Shawn's character didn't seem to care anything about that girl....I mean at all. They had his character use Izzy like she was a piece of meat, and when she saved him from the Nova grp he didn't even say thank you....LMAO!!! biggrin.gif

I think just after she "saved" him from the NOVA group she put him in a coma and it put a damper on the whole Thank you thing.
RamonaE
QUOTE (princessmia @ Aug 15 2007, 02:32 PM) *
I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU. You are the only viewer that saw how Shawn was as responsible for that bad relationship as well. Isabelle needed a friend, a big brother type and the Shawn character totally took advantage of that.



I totally agree with this. Shawn jumped her bones a little too quickly. She really didn't have any idea what she was getting into. I think for Shawn it was casual sex but I don't think she understood what that meant.
EasyMac
QUOTE (rockingmule @ Aug 15 2007, 02:13 PM) *
It is true, EasyMac-sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Maybe you're right and the best thing is for the show to stay off the romantic storylines-unless you have an ulterior motive for saying that. Could it be you want to break up a budding romance between Tom and a certain blonde? biggrin.gif

Wha? Who? Me? Wha? tongue.gif
rockingmule
QUOTE (princessmia @ Aug 15 2007, 02:03 PM) *
Rockingmule I respect your opinuion... I really do, but you are very harSh with the ideal of Shawn and Izzy...from your past post; If Izzy is so terrible to Shawn wouldn't you agree that they shouldn'e even be friends... I mean think about it, she tried to kill him and he just used her and when she saved his life -- and I say this again, he didn't even say Thank you. The girl clearly looked up to Shawn and instead of him being the friend or the "big brother" he screwd her, she needed guidance not penis....LOL!

Princess, I understand what you mean. Yes, I am harsh about the whole Shawn and Isabelle relationship of Season 3-it was awful. I don't think Shawn is blameless either-he knew perfectly well that Isabelle was looking up to him as a friend and that Richard was expecting him to do the right thing. Isabelle is responsible for her behavior, and so is Shawn-they are equally responsible for the inappropriate sexual activity. However (I love that word however-such possibilities) Isabelle is a different person now. In some ways, she has matured more than Shawn. She has taken responsibility for her past wrong-doing. Just because they have a terrible history as a couple doesn't mean that someday they couldn't be friends again-they were good as friends. Isabelle was so sweet in the beginning, like when Shawn was teaching her how to swim and they would talk about books together. As to him not saying Thank You to Isabelle after she saved him from the NOVA group, well, he was appalled at the mass slaughter. I can understand that.
kylelovesizzyforever
QUOTE (Phanta @ Aug 15 2007, 03:13 PM) *
I think just after she "saved" him from the NOVA group she put him in a coma and it put a damper on the whole Thank you thing.


yeah...but he tried to kill her while she was sleeping so i think they're even
rockingmule
QUOTE (kylelovesizzyforever @ Aug 15 2007, 10:49 PM) *
yeah...but he tried to kill her while she was sleeping so i think they're even

It's NOT even. Shawn tried to kill Isabelle in her sleep in self-defense, because he was terrified of her and he couldn't get away from her. There is a huge difference between Isabelle's violence last year, which was out of possesiveness, and Shawn's one violent act, which was in an effort to save himself from someone who was abusing him.
Phanta
We should probably keep a tab on how many times they try to kill each other lol

Shawn: "You tired to kill me, you put me in a coma/"
Isabelle:"You tired to kill me first."
EasyMac
QUOTE (Phanta @ Aug 15 2007, 11:54 PM) *
We should probably keep a tab on how many times they try to kill each other lol

Shawn: "You tired to kill me, you put me in a coma/"
Isabelle:"You tired to kill me first."

Shawn: "But I tried to kill you in self-defense."
Isabelle: "But you told me you didn't want to marry me!"
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