"Look around you! This is where the path of hatred has brought us!" haha, it's a quote from the movie Pocahontas. I like that movie. The quote is a little extreme, but I have been thinkin. Around this board, a lot f the people I've chatted/laughed/thoerized/chortled (great word, huh?) with have been sinking away.

There has been a lot of sublte and non-subtle jabs going on on this board, and a lot of good discussions turning to brawls. So here's my thread: a fresh ole discussion of everything 4400. anything and everything. Just please leave out the bickering. Please? Think of this as protected against unneccessary fights and such. Disagree all you want! Just don't insult the other poster as you do.

And before I kick off this 4400 general discussion, I have one more thing to say. If you reply, please don't say, "Oh yeah! I totally agree!" or, "Boo! Hiss! You suck!" The former encourages cliques, and the latter is just rude! So thanks for listening, and I hope you guys stick around to post!

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I can't wait to hear more about the Marked. I mean, I really hope they don't leave that little bit about Tom hanging. So do you guys think he's actually Marked, like a replacement for Matthew, or do you think it's just some kind of mind control serum meant to kick in whenever someone pushes a button? I'm wondering it there will be some sort of big, final fight between Tom and Diana. We've seen glimpses of this. Tom and Diana ready to gun eachother down in Lockdown, season two, and then Diana holding a gun on Tom under Tess' control in Ballad of Kevin and Tess. That would be intense.

So what do you guys think?

I'll say i too cant wait to see more of "the marked," in fact i cant stop thinking about it ever since i watched that episode. I'm dying to know the effect that the so called mark will have on Tom. Do you think he'll turn on all 4400's? And what about Diana? I sure hope she'd notice him acting strange enough to want to look into it. Hey Zip, maybe a showdown is just what they need so that Diana will figure out somethings not right and do some digging on her own.

I'm curious to see if they're done explaining Matthew or if they've got more to come.

And yeah, it would be a bummer if they just dropped the whole thing with Tom being Marked. But we all know they're just saving it for the end of the season. Speaking of which, what does that mean for Tom as a character? He was going through all this growth last season, finding out that he's been specially chosen by the future people for some reason. That seems to have got all muddled this season, especially with Alana being written out and this rather gratuitous flirtation being introduced with the new head of NTAC.

I'm counting on Diana to be the first to notice any drastic changes in Tom. Hopefully, anyway. I doubt Kyle would! So far Tom's been acting the same, but ya know what? I want see the furure make him act. It's pretty much set that these agents are bad. So if they take action against Jordan, or make Tom do something to Promise City, then we'll finally know just who was behind Jordan's resurrection and memories. That's one question I'd really like answered!

Zippy, I'm not looking to irritate you right off, but what's wrong with saying "I agree," with someone you agree with? I can understand not wanting rude behavior, but agreement? This looks like a good thread, but if I can't say I agree with someone I agree with, I don't know if I'll be dropping in again.

I think him fooling around with Meghan will prove what they are going to do. I think she is under control of the marked and she is going to use him. and well its a bad idea to mess with your boss.... really bad. just not a good idea any day of the week and twice on sunday.

Even if she isn't controlled by the Marked, (i'm not sure she is) it's a bad idea to get into an affair with your boss. Not to mention it likely is illegal. It's bad on moral and a major confliction on the rank of the orginization.

It's not illegal, but it's generally against company policy--with good reason. I've worked with couples who were joined at the hip. If one's your boss, that's a bad thing. They'll never take your side against their SO. It gets worse when the relationship ends (which it usually does), because then there's all this ugly fall-out as the karmic boomerang comes back around. Nothing in life is free, especially not any free pass your lover gives you at work.

The fact that the boss in this scenario is coming on to her employee five seconds after coming into a new job would be just plain creepy even without the Marked angle, not to mention grounds for sexual harassment. In the real world, it would also be a good way for a female supervisor to torpedo her own career. Bringing the Marked into it would just be punctuating a real life gargatuan bad idea with a specfic metaphor.

watch an officer in the U.S. Air Force get caught with an enlisted in the bed and see what happens. but true some sectors treat it diffrently.

If Meghan is controlled by the Marked, I don't think it's like the future-inhabiting kind, I think it's more of the holding-something-over-her kind. After watching that episode, I was convinced, but the two eps after it seemed to show an innocent gal. So I'm not sure. Given Tom's string of rotten luck, it wouldn't surprise me if he falls for some agent of an agent, ya know? Of course, given his string of manly charm, it wouldn't surprise me if he wins her over to the side of good once more!

Haha, yeah, they'll probably just leave Tom's mark until the end of the season like they did with the srynge last season.

That's an organizational thing, not something that has to do with general employment law. Adultery in the military can be a career-killer, too, but that doesn't make it illegal.

There is also the added aspect that in the military, you're supposed to obey orders, so "command rape" is much more common there than in other jobs. Also, unfortunately, it's becoming increasingly clear that command rape in the military may be getting worse, not better, and that officers in the military are not only not getting caught, but when the enlisted person reports them, they are getting off as the enlisted person is intimidated into dropping the complaint. That's one reason why the designation "Military Sexual Trauma" is becoming incresingly common.

Either way, none of this comes into play with Tom and his new boss.

Well Illegal might have been too strong a world, but it is certainly a horrible idea. And tom is in a similar position in which he has orders which he is expected to obey. It creates far too many problems. I don't have a problem with the two beig together, but they should not be together if one of them is going to be the supervisor of the other. This isn't some family buisness after all.

Oh, but Snowleopard, if Meghan is under someone's control, maybe Tom can rescue her or something? I know I'm in the minority here but I like Meghan. I loved the way she defied everyone and everything to save her dad. And she was cute prying at that door in No Exit-well, until she got zapped.

Megan definately has similar views with Tom and Diana, which is interesting for a leader! "Rules? I see them when I want to see them." Ah, gotta like Tom and Diana, bending and breaking a few guidelines (and bones!) in order to get top results!

By the way, did anyone else think Richard looked slightly scary in the previews? I mean, Kyle-scary, like he's driven by his desire to be the perfect family! I hope he doesn't screw the poor gal up now that she appears to be on her way to normalcy. Well, as normal as she can get.

Here's a pairing for ya! Richard and Diana: Oh the possibilities. Diana as Isabelle's new Mommy, and Maia and Issy as step-sisters. Don't worry! It could never happen!

I dunno. I don't really like characters who have to get rescued in order to get laid. It's so retro.

As far as being willing to break the rules, that can go both ways. Rules do exist for a reason and once you start breaking them for good reasons, that also opens the door to breaking them for bad reasons.

depend on your gender. about 3 or 4 years ago a man and woman in the air force had an affair, same rank I believe. She was dishonorably discharged and he was not. she wrote a book about it--can't remember the name.

That's what I've been saying, Zippy. If Richard can't respect that Isabelle is an adult woman and be a father to her as an adult, then he's going to turn into a metaphor for every parent who ever missed their kid's childhood and wants to play parent when it's too late. Sure, Richard got a tough break and he never got to be a father in the normal sense to Isabelle. But he could be there for her now-he could still be a good dad now, without taking anything away from her. Kidnapping and age regression-that's scary enough to make Kyle seem like the poster boy for good mental health.

Not only that, but there isn't much time in a season, much less this one, to let it lie. I have a feeling Tom's 'marked' status will come to into play in the season finale, which is only two or three episodes away. It is unlikely that the writers will leave it for next season, because they will probably forget about it by then.

Edit: Regarding Richard, poor character. Used as a gimmick.

Hey everyone, i was watching the previews for next weeks episode again and when it showed Tom and Meghan kissing and for some reason i caught something i'm not sure if it even has any meaning but when they were making out i paused it particularly on the part where she looks to be paying special attention to his ear. She doesnt seem to be filled with a rush of lust where as she would be touching his face uncontrolably, but she almost looks as though she has strategically place her fingers to his ear as though she is trying to press his mark? Did anyone else see that or are my eyes playing tricks on me?

I didn't notice that, but what I thought I saw was two different outfits, as if they were showing two different times. But my eyes might have been playing tricks on me also...lol.

Huh...that's interesting IAM. I'm gonna watch that preview again! I'm still hopin Meghan will turn out good, but I suppose she could be having her strings pulled. That would make Nina the only NTAC chief with no alterior motives, huh! Do you tihnk we'll be seeing Ryland this season?

Im not sure if we'll see Ryland again this season, but i t would be pretty cool. I loved him as the villian. Isnt his real name Peter Coyote? Has anyone seen his name as a guest star? I do wonder what hes been up to, and if it was him or some new foe behind the supersoldiers.

Yeah, Peter Coyote is his real name. What an actor! I don't know if he's listed to appear or not: I don't read any information on the 4400 ahead of time (except for stuff on these boards of course!) just so I can be surprised when the episode airs. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still workin with the super soldier program, or even if he's one of the Marked which has been suggested. If he doesn't appear, I at least hope they mention him, because he's still important to the 4400.

I doubt we've seen the last of Ryland, but of course, that all depends on Coyote's schedule and rates.

I don't buy Ryland as one of the Marked. He's too (how shall I put it?) sincere. He also comes across as someone very much in the 21st century responding to the future meddling in a very strong and negative way. I could see where he was coming from if his response weren't so draconian. As it is, he doesn't act at all like someone who has future knowledge or a future agenda. He's too angry and freaked out by the 4400 to come across as someone from the future.

Do you think it is at all possible that Marco or even Jordan could be one of the Marked even though Jordan himself is a 4400 but I cant wait to see if anyone else is one of these marked people and come to understand why the are there if there is any at all. [/color]

Snow, you have a really good point. Ryland, to me, seemed to do a complete 180 and it kind of seemed irrational, especially when I rewatched the first season, but Ryland did seem to fear the 4400, not hate them. I guess he was just a guy trying to protect his nation and what not.

But now I have a question. How did the marked get marked? Did the actual agents travel back in time and then transfer their...essence into their hosts? Or were those ten unlucky people abducted and given the procedure in the future and then sent back, like the 4400? If Tom's little episode in the psych hold means anything, it takes a few people to do it. So does that mean there are 10 marked walking around, but more people from the future? Kind of like Sarah, who didn't inhabit anyone. She just came back to the 2000s in her natural form. I wonder if we'll find out.

A Wolf in Sheeps clothing I think is the Cliche`

The nature of a Spy is to blend in -
yes it would be possible that Marco and Jordan could be among the marked.

The character's evolution has been pretty abrupt, though it hasn't been abrupt in the same way as Matthew's. Ryland is just way too visible to match with the low-key, behind-the-scenes approach of the Marked that we've seen so far.




That was exactly the question we were asking in the "Gee, I kinda feel sorry for Matthew, now" thread. We just don't know yet, but clearly, there is a fairly wide variety of future people on the playing field at this point.

In response to the poster who was speculating that Marco and Jordan might be Marked, I suppose it's possible that Marco is Marked, but there hasn't been any set-up for it. I could just about see Marco betraying the 4400 because he was angry with Diana for dumping him, but since the host's personality has diddly to do with his or her motivations once Marked, that really doesn't come into play.

As far as Jordan being Marked, I seriously doubt it. That would be cheating. I know that BSG did something kind of like that with the recent season finale, but to make Jordan one of the Marked would render a major faction of the 4400 almost irrelevant. Also, hasn't it been established already that the Marked *can't* inhabit 4400s?


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I don't think it's been established that they can't, only that it's unlikely. Besides, who knows when the procedure first happened. Did these agents come about a day after the big ball of light appeared? Or did they pop up once Jordan started distributing promicin? I wish we had a timeline for the Marked.

Wow, that's a really good point, Zippy, because no matter when the PFTF who sent the Marked found out about the 4400, they could just have sent their agents to the moment in time when the 4400 first appeared. So I agree with your sentiment, but I would also add the question-When did they become active, and have all of them been activated yet?

I think all of them have been activated, given that meeting that occured. I know Peck's movie didn't show ten of them, but that could have been casting issues. It wouldn't have made sense to risk a meeting (yes, risk, because Diana already has a small list of names forming) if not everyone could attend. And while this is my opinion, I think once the host is taken over, there's no going back. I mean, they said it was a one-way trip, so I'm guessing once your in that body, your confined till death. And as far as the host...well, I think they're gone.

I can't wait to see more on this storyline!

darn i just read on syfy portal that summer glau "tess" is playing in a new show on fox called "the sarah connors chronicles" premiering at mid season next yr so i wonder what does that mean for tess character will she go M.I.A. too for good or half of 4400 5th season...
my poor poor show (i mean how long does it take to shoot 13 episodes that they cant make it to the set c'est la vie que veux tu!!...)

I think Meghan is working for the Marked. If they all are supposed to be powerful people, then what would be more powerful than running the organization in charge of all the people with special powers? I even think some of the people at NTAC were talking in the beginning about how they thought it was odd that Meghan was promoted so high so quickly with so little experience. Sounds like something a secret organization could pull off...

If my assumption is true, then all of the acts of kindness are just ploys to get near Tom. Maybe even sleep with him to blackmail him into doing the Marked's business. Or,at least, draw him closer to the "evil" side. (As they say, love can make you do all sorts of crazy things.) The guy did say they could activate him if needed.

Sad thing is I kinda like Meghan. Making her a dark character would make me like her even more....

I have to disagree don't think the evidence points towards her being part of the marked. She was after all grateful for Shawn's assitance, and she hasn't displayed the erratic behavior that Kyle or any of the other marked displayed.

I think in a lot of cases people are just projecting such on her because they don't like her. I think she suspects or knows something or perhaps somebody who might be marked and hasn't told anyone yet. She might not even suspect what to do about it. I'm not sure if she knows about Shawn healing Kyle like he did. And there is far more evidence that Kyle used to be a marked than meghan being a marked.

I do believe that Meghan is being controlled by the Mark and she is using Tom. They knew he was "chosen" to make sure the 4400 succeed in their mission. And getting him to "Love" her would work. Look what he did for Alana after she betrayed him by warning Gary Navarro. He let her and Gary go on the run. He let his love for her blind his sense of duty for his job. I'm not saying that he was wrong or right. Just that he did it. So if he fell in love with her and she wanted him to do things for her--he may question her, but he'd probably do it because he loves her.

Just to clarify, when some of you say she's controlled, how do you mean it? Cuz, I sort of think she may be "controlled," but more in the sense that she's not marked, she's her own person, and someone who is actually marked has her under his thumb. Or he may have something over Meghan's head. Threatening a life, money, keeping her position...something like that.

But, who knows? Maybe she's working for a Marked and doesn't know it. That could've been the meaning of that look she gave after Diana was talking about tracking those evil little creeps down. "Oh, crap. My boss was in Africa, and he a has that gross little mole on his neck. It can't be. No!"

Just a thought.

I think I remember reading that the Producers want to get Peter back can't remember if they were able to get him.

I agree regarding Ryland being one of The Marked or someone under the influence of the Marked, your points are right on. Yet it wold make an interesting twist, wouldn't it?

And there may be many more like Tom, pawns of The Marked. Who knows? I was thinking that 10 agents from the future, to fight the entire 4400 contingent doesn't seem like much, even if they are powerful people... so maybe they have a bunch of Tom's who do their dirty work for them?

Hee... and it's true... but I think I'm just being more tolerant of her if I believe she's being manipulated by The Marked.

Easy, I think you may have given Phanta a mini-heart attack at the thought of dozens of Toms running around!

But yah, I see what you're saying! I'd fully believe any pawns they could have--paid pawns, like Curtis (not really a pawn, but still in their coorporation), mindwashed people like Tom perhaps, and maybe even uncovential allies like Ryland, assuming he's not a marked. Could be he got to his views all by himself and then discovered the marked. Not saying he'd join up with them, but it's possible.

The thought of all those Toms running around --its to much to grasp. LOL