If you look at the longer next week preview clip, as Tom and Diana is being flown across the room by Richard (after they tried to snipe needles into him) Richard is holding a little girl's hand (check yourself)
http://video.usanetwork.com/player/?id=137112

No, he doesn't. But it would be spoiling it for me to tell you who I think the little girl is so...

That thought also came to my mind, but Richard doesn't have that type of power, he is a telekinetic... but I guess it is possible if he met a 4400/P+ with that type of ability.

Nope, you're right, he doesn't have that power but I think maybe he somehow gets his hands on something that has that power...not necessarily someone but like maybe a formula of some kind? lol who knows...

i look at the video and didnt see any little girl but i do know(spoilers) that he will be with a little girl.
woaw richard i'm impressed he sure seems to have worked on his ability and learn how to control it ,what legal reason do they have to go after richard?

he helped steal the promicin

Well, if he has Isabelle, he is also harboring a fugitive and possibly kidnapping (not sure if Isabelle goes with him willingly).

The kidnapping probably would not hold because he is her father and she is 3 years old. The law goes by chronological age.

I think the law would be adjusted again in this case, because it deals with a different set of circumstances. I say again, because after all, going by Isabelle's chronological age, there's no way a three year old would ever be put in prison. The law has already recognized Isabelle as an adult, so if she wants to press charges against Richard for kidnapping, he won't have a leg to stand on. One thing about the law-it goes by precedent. Since the precedent that Isabelle is a legal adult has already been set by her prison sentence, the law will not reverse itself by declaring her a child for the purpose of avoiding kidnapping charges. That would open the door to turning over her conviction.

The problem with the whole prison thing is that their have been cases were minor have been put in prison. So they may not have not change the law for situation. So they have not set a new precendent by sending her to prison.

BTW

We really don't know if Isabelle was sentenced or was just in prison awaiting trial. Being in prison for 3 month, she may not have had her day in court. So you really do not know what she would have been convicted of if she went to trial.

After Richard telekinetically pins Tom to the wall look at Richard's right and you will see a little girl holding his hand.

I also agree Richard really gained good control of his ability, in that preview he is making NTAC agents look like chumps.

Also, did you see what Tess does to the Dr? Ouch!

Greatshow, you are correct that minors have been put in prison, but not before there was a hearing to determine their status. It's black-letter law. A minor cannot be charged as an adult without a hearing to determine if they are competent to be charged as an adult. There is no way that a normal human three year old would ever be declared competent as an adult, and there is no way that a normal human three year old would spend even one day in prison, no matter what they did. A normal human three year old wouldn't even get a hearing, because at that age a child is not competent to understand a court proceeding and is not competent to assist their attorney. At most family court would decree some familial supervision, or perhaps the removal of the child from the home. A normal human three year old would never be seperated from an adult parent or guardian and left alone in a prison cell, because at that age a child is not even competent to take care of itself in such basic areas as dressing and toileting.

Now I know that your personal preference is to view Isabelle as a child, but do you mind if I ask for clarification? There are three seperate issues bound up in Isabelle's status as a child or an adult-her criminal record, her sexual activity, and Richard's parental rights. Is it your feeling that Isabelle is only a child when it comes to her father's rights and her own sexual activity, and she is an adult when she committed her crimes? Or do you think of her as a child in all three areas, and therefore she should not ever be in prison, because a three year old should not be held responsible for anything?

What type of prison was she in? You really do not know? Legally she is a child in all situation unless the law was changed which would be really quick considering how legislatures work. So they may have gotten some sort special approval to put her in prison but would it hold up on appeal. It i s no way the appeal process would have ran its course in 3 months. So the kidnapping would probably not be charged especially if the Fed charging Richard with the crimes he did commit because they only go for sure things.

The judicial system does not work that quick. You really know what Richard's parental rights are because the appeal process has not gone through.

BTW

Where have I said she wasn't a minor?

Greatshow, my question was-Do you consider Isabelle a child when it comes to parental rights and sexual activity, and hold her responsible as an adult for her crimes? Or do you consider her a child, period, and since a child cannot be held responsible for crimes, you excuse everything she did last year? It's a simple question, but if you don't want to answer me, that's cool.

I hold her responsible for her crimes and should be tried as an adult but I doubt if the writers went the legal route she would have been in jail after trial. I did not excuse what she did last year but you choose excuse what Shawn did.

Being a realist doesn't mean that I am excusing her actions. I am just stated how it would probably play out in court.

yeah that hurts huh tough love between tess&Dr, i hope they get her disease under control like the autistic kid in another epi., but dont worry i think the dr ability helps him heal at least that's what it look like when he first got them i'll look again at video but my computer stream is not up to par so the image stuck every 30sc or so and the quality aint all that but i'll give it a go all the same thanks

Gotcha. Adult for crimes, child for sex.

As for me, I go with what the show has presented, what the producers have said, what Isabelle has said, and what the legal precedent has set. It's a scifi show, after all, and I accept that in science fiction, an infant can become a fully mature adult overnight. So since Isabelle is an adult, I hold her equally responsible as Shawn for the sexual activity that took place between them. We should just agree to disagree on this point, because all we do is go in circles here.

I don't think he has another daughter.

The good doc ability is healing.

Nope a child in both cases. The difference is that if she was an adult she would deserve much longer sentence than the one I would give her under her current circumstance. So I am not being selective. That is your perception.



The writers have not really set a legal precendent in Isabelle case that we know of. She was in prison for the crimes she committed. Do we know whether she was sentence? Doubt it because 3 months is mighty quick to have a trial and the appeals that would definitely follow in her unique case. So from my perception the legal precedence has not been set.

As for her developing an Adult woman's body overnight, I did not perceive that she gain emotional maturity overnight so I would not consider her a grown woman. To me a person is not a grown person just because they have a grown person's body and the law doesn't see it that way as well.

Please refrain from using Sci-Fi as argument against my perception because I view Sci-Fi reality differenly than you. I am working from the premise that Sci-Fi genre bends reality not suspends it.

So from my perception unless explicitly states that what works in reality does not work in their reality, I will assume that it does.

In the future I hope you would be more tolerant of other people's perception.

So you would put a three year old in prison? Greatshow, I really don't think I can discuss this with you any further. And you may consider that Science Fiction does not suspend reality, but there are hundreds, if not thousands, of examples of suspended reality in the genre. I am not going to argue with you. If you choose to arbitrarily reject aspects of the 4400 or scifi in general, that's your perogative. I know you'll want the last word here-take it with my compliments.

If they did what Isabelle did yes, but how many 3 year olds would be capable of doing what she did?

Isabelle is only 3 in chronological sense, not biological. She is an adult. She is not a child at all. She is a full grown woman that may lack the maturity and social skills of an adult, but she is an adult none the less. The arguement that she is 3 years old is mute. While she has only been alive for 3 years doesn't mean she has a 3 year old intellect. She has proven that she is beyond a 3 year old. There aren't many 3 year olds than can read much less read the whole encyclopedia and then some. In biologiacal years she is 3. In intellect she is a woman. She is gaining the maturity and socials skills to match.

As stated before I do not consider someone an adult just because they have an adult body. In that case I can show you some girls 10 and 11 year old who have bodies of adult. They are not adults. Last Isabelle was acting like 2 year because she was a 2 year old that did not have proper guidance due to fear of what she can do with her abilities. Notice that when Jordan came back and told her she had to go she went.

If a 3 year child where to kill several and kidnap other children of they should go to prison.

I'm not going to discuss this issue because I'll just get more grief from everyone. We can settle on we dont agree.

Cool beans.