I am starting this thread as a place for discussion without anger. All fans are welcome. Please do not discuss Isabelle's powers here, the possibility of her getting her powers back, or what she would do with them. I also ask that there be no discussion of Shawn getting back together with Isabelle on this thread. This includes jokes, pictures, song lyrics, sparkly hearts, and dreams. There are plenty of threads for those things. Obviously this is on the honor system, but so far everybody has been good about respecting the protected threads. This one is strictly for tolerant discussion, so let's avoid those two volatile topics and stick with the developments the producers have given us. If the producers choose to put Isabelle back together with Shawn, we can dicuss that development, but I do ask that there be no pictures, song lyrics, sparkly hearts, and so forth. Same with her powers-if it happens, it happens.

great so does anyone know what kind of fruits she likes what's her fav ' movie ,what are her fav colours which volume of the encyclopedia did she like best? what music is she listening too on her i-pod,just wondering? i wonder if she thinks about her mother i mean she hasnt talked a bout her now that daddy is back maybe they will...maybe he'll carry her shopping to the nearest mall...
great topic rock!

Good questions, Evenstar! Well, Isabelle was playing classical music on a piano once, but I don't really see her as a classical music type, do you? We do know she has great taste in clothes! I also wonder if she thinks of Lily often, and I'm looking forward to how she reacts to being with Richard again.

i agree Elessar.. i'm all for reaching some middle ground here, but any thread with a description of "DO NOT Discuss" in it is just bound for conflict.. and i don't see any middle ground in the description of this thread at all

Well, we'll see, Elessar. Obviously if the producers choose to put Shawn and Isabelle together, that will be a development on the show that we can discuss. Same with her getting her powers back. I was trying to go on what you said-a place of tolerance, without cooing or bashing. Evenstar seems to like it, so I think the thread has made a good start.

Well, I've come to the conclusion, that probably others feel as well, that no matter what I say it's going to piss someone off. I think the reason we've seen so much less posting than last year is because of our intollerance for each other and the lack of respect for other people's opinions. Sure, we all say feel free to speak your mind but when someone says something we don't like...WOOSH! we're all over them. Nobody seems to want to take responsibility for their part in any of this. Nobody seems to want to step back and say, hey, maybe this is too much. Maybe I have gone overboard. Maybe I can tone it down a bit. We're so busy defending our points of view that we've stopped viewing the other posters as people. It's like Road-Rage on this board and sometimes I just want to get off the highway and take a nice quiet side street.

I know what you mean, Elessar, and I'm hoping this thread will be quieter. Isabelle with Shawn is the most volatile topic, and if we avoid that and the other volatile topic, Isabelle getting her powers back, maybe we can generate some good discussions without so much tension. I edited the title to The Middle Ground, because I'd like to discuss other things than just Isabelle here.

As a start, I was very surprised that Kyle didn't ask about Shawn. I would have thought there would be a little more resolution, and I would think that Kyle would want to know about Shawn, especially considering how upset he was when Shawn "died." On the other hand, he seemed to be willing to write Shawn's death off as a necessary sacrifice. I thought Kyle was acting a little creepier than usual, if that's possible.

See, it's working already. People are expressing their true feelings, and nobody is getting angry.

Excuse me. Don't mind me. I'm just hiding out here for a few minutes to escape the song lyrics and animated gifs.

Remember, tolerance!

I feel like this thread is drawing me intot he Jordan Collier Love Fest!

I'll show love to my fellow boardmate, but not to the current Collier.

Who's Isabelle?

Isabelle is the gal some of us love to hate, but not here. Here we're going to try and be nice to each other. Where the heck is Phanta? We need some animated butterflies.

Sorry I was out selling chocolate all day. BUT I am home now.

Well said Elissar. I've sort of stayed away this season because it seems we can't have adult discusions and agree to
disagree sometimes. There seems to be far to many personal attacks.

That said I'm so glad Richard is finally back. Where has he been?

Like or dislike of the character aside, my main objection to the powers and Isabelle/Shawn discussions is that they are attempts to push the magic reset button. The writers have moved on and we should, too. Isabelle is a very different character than she was in seasons past and even if the writers choose to revisit those storylines, I think they've made it abundantly clear that the results will be different, whatever happens.

So, if we're going to discuss Isabelle, we should discuss what's going on with her now:

What are her current relationships with Kyle and Jordan? Those are much more important than whatever she feels for Shawn at this point, let alone vice versa.

What talents does she have now that she's promicin-free? Not wishful thinking, but what we're seeing right here and now. Everybody has talents. You don't need promicin for those. What are hers?

How are things going to go between her and Richard next week? I'm sure it won't be all hearts and flowers.

What is the true secret of her origins? Is she even genetically Lily and Richard's child? Why did her growing up kill Lily?

What happens if some of the elements under Jordan want to seek revenge on her? He has a wide variety of followers, including ex-NOVA members.

How far will she go to make amends? So far, she hasn't worked especially hard at it. She's been just passively apologizing to whomever she bounces up against instead of actively seeking people out and trying to make amends.

Should (or will) she go back to jail?

Will she even survive this season?

Stuff like that.

And I'm all for a thread with no extraneous stuff. That takes forever to load up. It's not fair to people with slow connections and old computers.

By golly, Snowleopard, I do remember you saying something to that effect. Well, this thread is protected from glitz, glam, and images, so hopefully it will be a good one for you to peruse. I'll address a few of your points.

Isabelle seems to be working with Jordan, but we've hardly seen them together. He trusted her to escort some soldiers to the perimeter, and he was glad to find her in No Exit, but he wanted backup to get to the control room. Isabelle seems to be pretty free in Promise City, so I guess Jordan has some limited trust. Not sure how she feels about him, but she seems to be getting VERY cozy with Kyle. She came running to find him as soon as she woke up, and grabbed him and hugged him.

Well, Isabelle is very smart and has amassed a lot of information. No Exit showed something she never demonstrated before-common sense. I mean, sure, I'm a mom. I understand Diana's feelings. But you don't rock the boat when the water is full of sharks. Isabelle demonstrated some plain old-fashioned common sense when she confronted Diana and told her they had to work together. She also figured out what to do about the building to get them out of the dream world.

Hard to say, but I'm going to go way out on a limb. I hate that Richard kidnaps her. She's a grown woman and she can make her own choices. She's decided to follow Jordan-she could have turned herself in or taken off on her own, though how far she'd get with no life skills is problematic, even if she wasn't a fugitive. But she chose Jordan. Richard has no right to take her and insist on being a family on his terms. Where has he been anyway? He never even contacted her once while she was in prison. Has he been out building a bunker to imprision her in?

I hadn't thought of that-I don't think anybody actually in Promise City will try to hurt her. But I always did think that Boyd had a personal reason for his suicide mission, like he wanted some payback for Isabelle's killing spree of NOVA members, so it's a good point.

It's hard to know what else Isabelle can do at this point, except apologize. She doesn't have freedom of movement outside of Promise City, so she can't seek people out. And how do you make amends for killing people? I think she IS making amends in the only way she can, by trying to live a different life and aiding Jordan's movement. She could turn herself in, and that might satisfy the requirements of the law, but it does nothing for justice. Isabelle did a great deal of harm, but she might have the power to do a great deal of good if she works at reforming her life. Perhaps justice, an elusive goal under the best of circumstances, is best served by her continuing to reform herself. Isabelle is a unique case, after all. I'm not about to make excuses for her-she was a monster last year. But she never had a chance to become much of a person. Now that she does, and since it's a TV show, I'd like to see her stay out of prison and see what kind of person she becomes. I'm with Jordan, though-she makes me nervous, I want her locked up or dead. I've become a fan of the person she's becoming, if she's sincere about reforming. But she has to be sincere to keep me on her side.

First of all Elessar, your quote is hilarious! And so very very true!

As far as talents go, I'm not sure exactly what Isabelle has, but she is demonstrating the ability to think calmly and well under pressure. I mean, she was logically thinking during the NTAC building crisis. And, as suprising as this is coming from Isabelle, she's showing a real sense of cool. Calmly talking to Diana when Diana was ready to throw down and shoot her six more times? That's more than most could do.