There is something i've noticed with the Marked and what happened with Kyle early in the series. The two happen to have a similarity between the two. What makes me curious is why Tom has yet to connect the two. In the end Shawn healed Kyle of what was going on, i would presume that he could do the same, yet again Tom has not bothered to even ask Shawn to attempt it.

What makes me curious is the fact that Tom is the person that the people from the future put their faith in. If Tom doesn't have the common sense to attempt to do something about the mark on him, then why was he someone to trust? More and more it seems to me we get Tom whining about things not going his way and refusing any and all information about the future. I'm not sure Tom is a good choice anymore.

THe goverment of his world has shown time and time again it's disregard for people. What Ryland did to the 4400 was evil, and yet ultimatly what happened to Ryland? He was freed with virtually no time in jail and he even benefited from it. He automatically thinks Jordan is evil yet he does not fight back against the evil his goverment does. In fact he quickly justifies it, and if it wasn't for Maia's action the world nearly ended with this episode.

What if jordan wasn't warned and he died. You think the extinction of humanity might be something people would want to live with. i mean "great job tom your inaction doomed the world" way to go there buddy.

Just hold on, it's coming. I don't know if you read spoilers, but you're on to something there.

no it's pretty much logic on my part. I noticed the similarities and i would expect someone like Tom to notice them and act on them. it just puzzles me why he has not acted in this manner and if he is going to act why did he wait so long and possibly put people in more jepordy by his inaction.

besides spoilers are evil ... evil i tell ya

LOL!!!! I'm one of the marked now!

Hey cut Tom some slack. The writer want him to figure out things on their timetable for dramatic reasons.

They can take as long as they want. He is at the present time the only "man" in my life, and I get to see him every sunday at 9pm. LOL

**that is sad

I just disagree when dramatic reasons including coming to a conclusion far slower normal. I expect Tom to be brigther than this.

Yes, but let's face it he's had a lot happen to him We all work a little less effecienlty when we have personal issues. His girl is gone. Kyle has become a Prophet to Jordan. The list is long. He needs a vacation. Diana got one--time for Tom to go to the Bahamas.

Life isn't always kind and some people who need vacations often don't get them. Besides the measure of a person comes in when all hell breaks loose. Yes well do lose our effectiveness but more often when we are stressed but these are simple things i'm suggesting.

How can Tom save the future if he doesn't notice the similarities with what happened to his son and his condition. furthermore even if he didn't notice the diffrences, it would be a good idea to him to ask shawn what he can do about it anyway. Has he asked if Maia has seen anything? I don't think any of them have happened all we have is him fidgiting with the mark and hoping for hte best.

Well if that is his reaction then he should be held responsible for whatever the marked do to him. He should make some attempt to stop it but he hasn't.

Ya but you can't blame the guy for not being up to par. He's human.

if not he will blame himself when the mark use him. And it will be worse if he doesn't at least ask shawn to help. As bad as it sounds he is doing better than most people, but even so look at the stakes. What will he say if say for example the marked force him to kill someone? "oh i'm sorry my A game wasn't in i didn't think that the trick worked.. so sorry.. have a nice next life" no that won't work unless he at least attempts to heal himself. If he doesn't at least try he will feel like hell and there should be NO forgiveness for him.

I would show sympathy for him if he tries and fails, but not if he doesn't try.

I truly think Tom thinks it is a mind game. An how Kyle got possessed and his possible possession didn't happen the same way. And I think their possessions will differ. I Kyle just had some partial overide that had one purpose. With Tom we're talking full personality download that doesn't turn on and off as needed, He will literally be a totally different person. I don't think Shawn could fix this but who knows?

hi i seriously think that these main characters need to do some stormbraining together and figure things out once and for all,and well seems like they r gonna get it next week in no exit,no time like being locked up and force to communicate together !!anyone wondering why specifically these people are locked up together ,i mean they're all 4400or closely tied to one..

LOL!!! Cute, very cute!

Exactly!! Tom doesn't know for sure if they really did anything to him or if they just tried to scare him. Also I agree their situations are not that similar! Kyle turned himself in for Collier's assassination shortly after Shawn removed the entity and Kyle refused to see Tom while in jail as well. We really don't know if Kyle told Tom about what happened we can only make that assumption. But again, Kyle woke up from the coma messed up and was shot and revived by a glowing light in the sky shortly before suffering black outs all of which Tom has not experienced, he was simply injected and has otherwise had no ill effects aside from paranoia. We don't know how closely related his situation is to Kyle's or if Shawn can help, I still think it's possible that the only answer will be promicin and that is an option that he wouldn't take until they did start messing with him.

It's brainstorming, Evenstar, not stormbraining. That was very close, though-my Russian husband says things like that, like "I cook down" instead of "I cooled off." Hope you don't mind me letting you know the right expression.

I think you're absolutely right-I wish everybody would just sit down and compare notes. I'd like to see Isabelle tell Jordan and Shawn all about Matthew. And while I understand Diana's attitude to Isabelle, I hope they can work together. Maia was stern with Isabelle, but she isn't holding any grudges-at least she was willing to talk to Isabelle and accept her in Jordan's camp. Here's a thought-Maia is my compass. She said she thinks Jordan is a good guy, but she didn't qualify that statement. She didn't say, "Jordan is a good guy, but he needs to get rid of Isabelle." If Maia is willing to accept Isabelle, then Isabelle must be trying to reform herself, and Diana should let bygones be bygones, on this occasion.

bummer bummer!!!! zut alors !!! my bad sometimes i think my typing ability is dyslexic ,i know it's brainstorming but it typed out wrong !!!frak!,thanks for pointing it out,but i must let u know i'm actually bilingual from since a toddler; here we speak english and french alike but grammar is a pain in either language when typing/writing....

It never bothers me I grew up with a Mother whose 1st language was French and she would always get confused on what she was trying to say in english and we had to try to figure it out. It was like playing charades. To this day there are still some words she can't grasp. I am not fluent at all but I can usually get the gist of what she is saying. And she only talks about our spouses (when I had one) in French so they wont understand her.

well we know that the people from the future can inhabit other bodies from what happened with Kyle. We don't know if it left a mark but there may be more than one procedure to allow them to inhabit a body which means it may take diffrent amounts of time for the personality from the future to emerge. Kyle was in a coma for quite sometime and that might have slowed down the possesion.

It seems to me that Kyle was possesed or inhabited by two diffrent personalities. The second likely entered in about the same time as the first and placed there maybe by the people who want the future to be doomed. The one who wanted to leave a positive influance left once the message was given and Kyle was healed but the other stayed bidding it's time. this could be the same with Tom. Now it might really be a mind game in the end. however even if it turns out to be a mind game there is no harm in going to Shawn and asking him to try to heal him just as Shawn healed Kyle. Absolutely nothing is lost and with doing so then they could prove that the Marked are in fact real. This serves two valuable functions. Now there is a possibility that Shawn might not be able to heal Tom. But the fact is if it is true and Tom is taken over and he does something horrible, at least he would know that he did everything he could to prevent it.

If however he does nothing but whine about his mark not going away, and does nothing about it. Then he is taken over and kills someone then he will have it on his soul that he did nothing to stop the death. now it might not lead to a death it could be something else.. or worse.

It all goes back to looking at the clues and all of the clues point to the ability of the people from the future to do this and Tom should have picked up on this by now. Well he will be in short contact with shawn now.. if he doesn't pull shawn aside and ask him about how he healed Kyle and to heal him then we will know.

Think Knights of the Old Republic and the questions it raises. Can an evil person be redeemed through good acts?

You could also be talking about a refinement of techniques between the time that kyle was possed and the time that Tom might be possesed. It could also have something to do with the fact that it seems that both factions from the future might have posssesed Kyle at the same time. The Coma might have weakened the hold, When Shawn brought Kyle out of the coma he could have shaken the control as well. The entire thing might have originally been intended to be a full personality download but other factors got in the way and there are a lot of factors that could have thrown it off.

that plus yes Shawn might not be able to fix it.. but it isn't that Shawn can or cannot fix it but it's more to the fact that Tom should at least try. If he tries and fails then that is far better than doing nothing.

from what i've gathered in spoilerville poor tom aint done having pb...he really needs a vacation where's alana when u need her,let's start a petition to bring alana back if only in his dreams........he could really use her shoulders

Um, Tom has never been a whiny character and he hasn't whined about what happened.

If he goes to Shawn, it won't work. The reason he's on the list in Kyle's book is because he'll take Promicin to nullify whatever The Marked did to him. I would expect that to happen in the season finale.

I agree on the vacation part i just hope that since he hasn't bothered to ask Shawn to help him, that whatver the marked make him do is something he can live with.

I've think, just as "seijun" said before, that why Shawn don´t take out of Tom what he has supposedly inside, and i've reached two possibilities.

*Maybe Tom doesn´t have anything inside him and all is a psychological trick. I don't think this is what´s goin on but we don't know.
*Shawn don't know what had happenend to Tom yet, and this is true.

Other thing you said i that you don´t think Tom is a person who you can trust. I don't agree with you in this. Consider all what has been happeniong to him since the beggining of the series. He had never failed to the hopes deposited on him. So, why won't you trust him this time?...There's still time to do what thw PFTF asked him to do.
I've plenty confidence on him and that he will succeed.

What if the reason Tom hasn't gone to Shawn to try to lose his "mark" is that his mark is already controlling his actions a little (or a lot if next weeks preview is any indication....Tom & Megan.....ICK!!!, but I digress). I loved the idea of Tom being one of the marked because it lets Tom do all sorts of questionable things without losing his credibility. It wasn't really Tom trying to take out 4400s, or sleeping with his boss or whatever, it was the bad guy living in the dormant part of his brain that did it.

Hey hippiegeek! Good to see you back on the forum! I don't think Tom ever found out about Shawn healing Kyle of his possessor, so I'm sure he has no point of reference. I mean, I wouldn't think of a guy who typically heals illnesses could exorcise someone!

poor tom ,really is getting a lot of screen time and more pb to boot,well i sure hope him/marked get some jolly old time before he has to found out what megan is a two timer agent....and maybe his special friend jordan will give him a hand !lol!

I agree Zippy, as far as we know Kyle never said anything about it. Didn't he turn himself in like almost right after that? While he was in prison he refused to talk to Tom so it's quite likely he never mentioned it. He may also have been so freaked out about it he wouldn't know how to bring something like that up, but given all the stuff going on about Jordan it was probably the least of his worries.

Tom had to know something, because he stated more than once that Kyle wasn't responsible because he was being controlled by something else.

I am sure that he knew Kyle was being controlled but has he ever indicated that he knew that Shawn removed what controlled him? As far as I know he did not.

i'm sure Kyle told him and even if he had not have told him Kyles actions after this would have lead Tom to conclude that he was healed. Furthermore who do you turn to for healing? Remember Shawn can both Heal and Harm with his abilities and Tom definatly knows that. Either way being told not being told a logical person would come to the conclusion that giving Shawn a chance to get rid of the marked would be wise.

Heck asking Maia would have been wise as well, and i don't think he's done that either.

Maybe the Mark has already controlling Tom and it is not noticable yet.

Maia's visions don't work like that. She said so in her Diary this week, everytime she tries, or thinks, she's gaining some control of her ability, she learns that it's her ability that controls her.

Anyway, I am not going to agrue about wether or not Tom knows Shawn "healed" Kyle because we simply don't know for sure. But I don't think it's that likely to figure out that because Shawn is able to heal and kill that he must be able to take out an entity that may or may not be inside of him provided he doesn't know. And if he does then why hasn't he? I really think he's smarter than that. Besides a lot of time has passed sense then, and he has been through A WHOLE LOT since then so something as simple as his son being healed of an entity years ago would not be on the forefront of his thinking. Also I do not see their situations as being that similar anyway so he may not have reason to think about it.

Greatshow, you made an interesting point. We have seen that the future does have the ability to erase memories, had Tom known about what happened to Kyle it is possible that they erased that memory from his mind. I don't think it happened but it is possible.

The point with Maia is not that she might see something in that moment but to make her aware that something might be wrong with Tom so that she can remain vigilant in case she sees something in the future.

Even if they erased it and even if Shawn might not be able to heal him (and i think the evidence shows otherwise) it would be a good idea to try. I have a horrible feeling that Tom is going to do some pretty awful things because of that Mark and he's going to feel like hell if he doesn't at least attempt to get rid of it. Asking Shawn even if it doesn't work would go a long way to doing so.



The whole point is to do soemthing more than complain that a mark is there, then do pretty much nothing about it.

As long as he gets "fixed" by seasons end. I don't think I can take a long wait to find out. Especially if there is not a season 5

I think the producers think they are getting a season 5 because there are going to be too many loose ends to end the series.

I just hope he doesn't do anything too horrible before he tries to get fixed.

>.> that came out badly

LOL yes it did.

I have an idea about Tom and Megan. Maybe he should take her and visit the matching making guy, let this guy sniff them and see if they "match". I wonder what tom smells like.........(sigh)