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pinot
Hey all

I have been reading all your reviews after each weeks episode on this forum page and it seems to me that there has not been an Amaggeddon episode since the season opener.

I know there is quiet a number of episodes left and i know the Amaggeddon arc episodes does not appears every second week. They only appear like 3 times a season from past seasons experience but i am getting worried that there would not be any more Armaggeddon.

So does anyone know if there is a episode coming up with this arc in it. Or is that it. Finish. No more Armaggeddon.

Thanx
Ruralstar
QUOTE (pinot @ Jul 23 2007, 03:07 AM) *
Hey all

I have been reading all your reviews after each weeks episode on this forum page and it seems to me that there has not been an Amaggeddon episode since the season opener.

I know there is quiet a number of episodes left and i know the Amaggeddon arc episodes does not appears every second week. They only appear like 3 times a season from past seasons experience but i am getting worried that there would not be any more Armaggeddon.

So does anyone know if there is a episode coming up with this arc in it. Or is that it. Finish. No more Armaggeddon.

Thanx

The production staff told us in the first set of six interviews that Armageddon would figure into s6. I think it's just been put on the back burner. Not all of the episode synopsis are available yet, just most of the titles. Keep your fingers crossed. I am smile.gif
vklong
QUOTE (pinot @ Jul 23 2007, 03:07 AM) *
Hey all

I have been reading all your reviews after each weeks episode on this forum page and it seems to me that there has not been an Amaggeddon episode since the season opener.

I know there is quiet a number of episodes left and i know the Amaggeddon arc episodes does not appears every second week. They only appear like 3 times a season from past seasons experience but i am getting worried that there would not be any more Armaggeddon.

So does anyone know if there is a episode coming up with this arc in it. Or is that it. Finish. No more Armaggeddon.

Thanx


in the first episode when walt was killed the guy who was "running" stillson died also, after that johnny touched stillson and no more vision of armaggeddon, i do believe, but don't quote me on it
amhfanpage
QUOTE (vklong @ Jul 23 2007, 05:25 PM) *
in the first episode when walt was killed the guy who was "running" stillson died also, after that johnny touched stillson and no more vision of armaggeddon, i do believe, but don't quote me on it


Doesn't mean there won't be an armageddon plot in DZ anymore. I don't think the Armageddon thing is over yet, although where I'm concerned I wouldn't grief it it was over.
GMAN2887
It's absurd how many people keep overlooking this. Here's the TV Guide article that as posted on the forums in June:

In The Dead Zone’s new season, the end is near- really!
By Michael Logan


USA Network’s The Dead Zone ended its first season in 2002 with a hook as fresh as it was horrifying: Psychic Johnny Smith (Anthony Michael Hall) had a vision of Washington , D.C., in nuclear ruin. The man responsible? Ambitious politico Greg Stillson (Sean Patrick Flannery)

Five years later that plot’s still playing out, but now many shows spin on the fear of an apocolypse(Heroes, Sleeper Cell)or have nukes that actually do detonate (Jericho, 24) What was once unfathomable is almost ho-hum. So how will Dead Zone back for it’s sixth season—keep us hooked on it’s doomsday scenario? By twisting it, turning it and sending it into outer space.

”We’ve skipped ahead six months to find Stillson is vice president – just a hearbeat from the White House,” says executive producer Shawn Piller. There’s also been a shocking shift in the conspiratorial cabal that controls Stillson: The group’s leader, Malcom Janus (Martin Donovan), was killed in the June 17 season opener. On July 1 it's revealed that Stillson has a covert interest in privatized space missions. Johnny will "see" a space shuttle in trouble that's loaded with plutonium, suggesting this may be the way Stillson triggers the end of days.

"But it won't be all Armageddon all the time. Dead Zone has always been big with female viewers, due in part to Johnny's unrequited love for former fiancée Sarah (Nicole deBoer) with whom he shares a son." That too got a shake-up when Sarah’s husband, Walt (Chris Bruno), died alongside Janus.

"We're returning to the romantic mythology of the first season," Hall says. "Sarah will move into Johnny's house." But don't expect romantic bliss: A combative new sheriff, Anna Turner (The Sopranos' Cara Buono), just arrived as another love interest for Johnny. "Anna is a skeptic when it comes to psychic stuff," Buono says. She's not buying what Johnny's selling."

"And Sarah may be tempted by Stillson when the bedhopper tries to whitewash his rep by landing her. "The only way for him to be president is to have a wife", notes Piller, who hopes all these twists will "buy us three more seasons."

That’s fine by Hall, a former 80’s Brat Packer who was in his own dead zone when the series came along. The actor has a juicy role in the next Batman flick, “The Dark Knight, “ and recently played himself on Entourage. “I owe everything to The Dead Zone,” he says. “This show gave me my career back.”

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This comes as a comfort to me as the Dead Zone has always seemed like a directionless show without the armageddon story arc. Not that I don't enjoy the unlinked episodes, but they've become rather cliche and tired feeling unless something very spectacular is written.
If anything, the time the show comes to a close, the final season needs to focus mostly on armageddon. It would help the series tremendously.
johntabor001
I think that it was just put off because in the investigation of
Walt's death had to do with Janus and The Wolf.
I have a theory that The Wolf is still alive and is a part of Armagedon.
Or Somone from the top secret mission that they went on years ago.
amhfanpage
QUOTE (GMAN2887 @ Jul 24 2007, 12:32 AM) *
It's absurd how many people keep overlooking this. Here's the TV Guide article that as posted on the forums in June:

In The Dead Zone’s new season, the end is near- really!
By Michael Logan


USA Network’s The Dead Zone ended its first season in 2002 with a hook as fresh as it was horrifying: Psychic Johnny Smith (Anthony Michael Hall) had a vision of Washington , D.C., in nuclear ruin. The man responsible? Ambitious politico Greg Stillson (Sean Patrick Flannery)

Five years later that plot’s still playing out, but now many shows spin on the fear of an apocolypse(Heroes, Sleeper Cell)or have nukes that actually do detonate (Jericho, 24) What was once unfathomable is almost ho-hum. So how will Dead Zone back for it’s sixth season—keep us hooked on it’s doomsday scenario? By twisting it, turning it and sending it into outer space.

”We’ve skipped ahead six months to find Stillson is vice president – just a hearbeat from the White House,” says executive producer Shawn Piller. There’s also been a shocking shift in the conspiratorial cabal that controls Stillson: The group’s leader, Malcom Janus (Martin Donovan), was killed in the June 17 season opener. On July 1 it's revealed that Stillson has a covert interest in privatized space missions. Johnny will "see" a space shuttle in trouble that's loaded with plutonium, suggesting this may be the way Stillson triggers the end of days.

"But it won't be all Armageddon all the time. Dead Zone has always been big with female viewers, due in part to Johnny's unrequited love for former fiancée Sarah (Nicole deBoer) with whom he shares a son." That too got a shake-up when Sarah’s husband, Walt (Chris Bruno), died alongside Janus.

"We're returning to the romantic mythology of the first season," Hall says. "Sarah will move into Johnny's house." But don't expect romantic bliss: A combative new sheriff, Anna Turner (The Sopranos' Cara Buono), just arrived as another love interest for Johnny. "Anna is a skeptic when it comes to psychic stuff," Buono says. She's not buying what Johnny's selling."

"And Sarah may be tempted by Stillson when the bedhopper tries to whitewash his rep by landing her. "The only way for him to be president is to have a wife", notes Piller, who hopes all these twists will "buy us three more seasons."

That’s fine by Hall, a former 80’s Brat Packer who was in his own dead zone when the series came along. The actor has a juicy role in the next Batman flick, “The Dark Knight, “ and recently played himself on Entourage. “I owe everything to The Dead Zone,” he says. “This show gave me my career back.”

--------------------


This comes as a comfort to me as the Dead Zone has always seemed like a directionless show without the armageddon story arc. Not that I don't enjoy the unlinked episodes, but they've become rather cliche and tired feeling unless something very spectacular is written.
If anything, the time the show comes to a close, the final season needs to focus mostly on armageddon. It would help the series tremendously.



Well I certainly hope they won't make the last season all about Armageddon, hope they keep it up as they have always done, 2, 3 maybe 4 eps that deal with Armageddon, the rest stand-alones.
GMAN2887
Perhaps not every episode, but more that 3 or 4. The stand alones seem to get weaker. (Although we've had a couple good gems this season.)
amhfanpage
QUOTE (GMAN2887 @ Jul 26 2007, 08:14 AM) *
Perhaps not every episode, but more that 3 or 4. The stand alones seem to get weaker. (Although we've had a couple good gems this season.)


Well maybe 5 then. *grin* If a season is only 13 eps, I certainly hope they won't make it 10 armageddon eps and 3 stand alones.
brattytxn
QUOTE (pinot @ Jul 23 2007, 03:07 AM) *
Hey all

I have been reading all your reviews after each weeks episode on this forum page and it seems to me that there has not been an Amaggeddon episode since the season opener.

I know there is quiet a number of episodes left and i know the Amaggeddon arc episodes does not appears every second week. They only appear like 3 times a season from past seasons experience but i am getting worried that there would not be any more Armaggeddon.

So does anyone know if there is a episode coming up with this arc in it. Or is that it. Finish. No more Armaggeddon.

Thanx



I was thinking about something, probably nothing really but I just love to speculate, but what if John is doing something like what Wey wished he could've done if he were John and there was nothing but hopelessness or that feeling? That would be what Wey felt when he couldn't save his family himself. He told John, "What if you could go back to 1995 and live with Sarah Bracknell and not know what's coming? Then you'll know why I don't care." If it turns out that John's subconscious is giving himself that "out" by letting him see what he wanted to see, which was nothing, about Armagedddon, I mean? Going back to why FJ said, "You're gonna kill 'em" could mean that he should've seen their deaths coming but didn't see the exact details even though he had warning? Maybe all of the, if those closest do John do die, it wasn't because of what he did necessarily but because each was doing something to protect John.

John told Purdy once that he didn't need his protection, but he just needed "the truth". We have heard more than once, that John did need someone around him. His own Id (personified by Bruce) in "Symmetry" even poked fun at John by saying John didn't realize how much he needed someone to "look after him". I think this is another area that both John and Sarah are alike. Maggs from "Switch" hinted that John not being 'over' Sarah could set him up for betrayal and fraud. Maggs also called John a good "con-artist". So John has the ability to lie, maybe even to himself.

Lloyd Segan in his interview "Evolution" of the show says that "truth is a moving target." FJ once said this in the altered version of "Tipping Point 2" in regards to Stillson and the gun. I consider that statement very true, and taken in light of the above elements of where John is "blind" and vulnerable to the things inside himself, was he projecting onto Stillson? "Truth" is a metaphor for a "christ figure" in a Biblical context. It is a person. In this story of DZ, is John the only "hero" of the story as it should be when the times as never "seen before or since" will be coming? IMO John must "change the world" or "save the world" in the "New Testament" sense of the word. The person who is "the way, the truth, and the life, is a woman. A woman like Maggs who understand what it means to want to escape her nightmare life. A woman good at reading people. A woman like Nina, psychiatrist. Bruce is also quite perceptive in this manner but Bruce can't be with John in the capacity that a wife can because John is straight. That role of wife implies the deepest intimacies of all. John may have told John about some of his embarrassing things as child but not necessarily things that trouble his soul.

John has also been compared to the archangel Michael, one whose mention in the book of Daniel and other places who throws the Devil out of heaven but is also the one who watches over "Israel" who represents (the children of God). The Catholic Encyclopedia give St. Michael these "offices" or duties:

Following these Scriptural passages, Christian tradition gives to St. Michael four offices:

To fight against Satan.
To rescue the souls of the faithful from the power of the enemy, especially at the hour of death.
To be the champion of God's people, the Jews in the Old Law, the Christians in the New Testament; therefore he was the patron of the Church, and of the orders of knights during the Middle Ages.
To call away from earth and bring men's souls to judgment


St. Michael's name has been said to mean "who is like God?" or "one who is like God". Many construe or misconstrue depenind on one's interpretation, St. Michael as Christ. But in the book of Daniel, chapter 10, where it is said that Daniel is talking to a certain figure who looks like the figure seen in Revelation:

21 So he said, "Do you know why I have come to you? Soon I will return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I go, the prince of Greece will come; 21 but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince.


So, "Michael" isn't the star of the show. He's the supporting character. He can be confused as Christ when really he is Christ's "captain of the guard" because Christ is supposed to "king".

Also, in Revelation it says that "the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus Christ". John, the Baptist wore the "mantle of Elijah" (one of the greatest prophets of the Bible) and "prepared the way" for Christ. So, in light of all of this, is John the christ figure? Or is it someone else and John is only getting things ready, then assumes the role of protector? He's sort of the right arm of the right arm?

The Bible also requires "two witnesses" who are "two prophets". One person can play or symbolize many roles from the Bible, but also the play plays heavily into a familial motif, particularly marriage. God represents the masculine and Jerusalem, the feminine. The "bridegroom" is present only a short time to lay foundation and then is taken away.

To make it all more confusing, if one is adding in "mirrors" and things in "mirrors" are reversed then the "christ" is female and not male. The Alice in Wonderland imagery makes "Alice" the "truth" in the middle of insanity. The name "alice" means "truth". "Alice" is John's personal truth. We see John in reflection and one reflection is JJ and "Big Top" says alot. But is it Sarah? I've never thought so and watching "Switch" brought new things to light. Does "switch" imply changing women as well as lives? John said "another time, another place". He was very attracted Maggs (name derivative of Margaret meaning pearl, or Magen, the hebrew name for shield) From her name meanings she is the symbol of wisdom which Biblically is a pearl which also is a symbol of christ (as described in the "Pearl of Great Price" parable where one sells all of his treasures):

Matt 13:45,46 "Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who is a merchant seeking fine pearls, who having found one pearl of great price, he went and sold all that he had, and bought it."

Like in the story with Maggs, give it all up and start a new life? It wouldn't stop his duties and responsibility to JJ and Sarah if he provides for then financially and retains a role in JJs life.

Another parable about Christ and the kingdom of heaven is:

Matt 13:44 "Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found, and hid. In his joy, he goes and sells all that he has, and buys that field."

Giving it all up, the past life, and starting a new one but with Sarah? If what Wey says about going back to Sarah, does it mean not seeing what may still be coming? That's hiding from ones "duty" as "Michael" who aides "Christ" who in reverse is also "the church"? Or one can see it as John is Christ in the world of reality but in his inner world she is Christ. Christ and Jerusalem/church/children of God all reflect the same value system.

Pretty convoluted, but if "truth is a moving target", it may not necessarily imply Stillson, but a woman who is a handfull and who can move incredibly fast as the situation warrants. But I'm trying to make sense out 6 seasons of DZ in a Biblical motif, throwing in "mirrors" to try to find out what is going on. Probably alot of hooey. LOL

Anyway, "truth" may be always moving but as Shakespeare said "[love] is an ever fixed mark" and is probably alot easier to track then "truth". But when "truth" becomes "love", then we have something easier to contain. smile.gif

And speaking of Armageddon, I watched two movies that are uploaded on Youtube called "The Day After" and "Threads". Both are about a doomsday war like Armageddon. It's horrible!! Wey was understating it! If John saw that instead of that mini version in "Babble On", he' be insane!! He didn't see even half of the horror or feel it when Wey brought him forward. John may need to feel it first like he did in "Babble On" that made him find the woman like in Babble On. No wonder poor Herb went insane.
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