Okay, I have to say that tonight's episode was the best one I've seen all season. Now I'm all paranoid, I mean, I heard in the previews that there would be ten people from the future in this episode but I didn't know their identities would be a secret. That means that almost anyone could be one of the marked. And did anyone notice the look on the director of ntac's face when Diane said she was going to find out who all was in Africa. Maybe it was just me but she looked a little worried to me. My initial thought was, how do we know that Jordan isn't one of the marked and is purposely corrupting the 4400, but the fact that the marked don't have abilities and that Jordan has already demonstrated an ability to take away other peoples abilities shoots down that idea. But I still don't trust him completely though. I will have to say that I don't think he had anything to do with that guy's stroke, I may question his motives but I don't seem him outright lying about his methods. And geez, now they've gotten to Tom, talk about high drama. I will say that I'm lookin forward to next week's episode, Mia apparantly asks the question I've been wanting to know all season...is Jordan a good guy or bad guy? When I heard that I thought, good question. I'd like to know that myself. This is the best tv show I have ever seen. I actually bought season three today, I already have had seasons one and two for the longest time and couldnt afford the third but now I have it so that makes me cool. or not, but still, i have it so nananana. lol. Later fellow 4400 fans.

Yes, and to add to that, don't you find it weird how Nina just "disspeared" and was replaced by Megan. And in the first episode an agent said she lacked credentials. Hmmmmm.




Well, Beck even said in his trailer that the world doesn't have to worry about Collier. That emron/rich guy in the parking lot at the end seemed to have a dislike for Collier. If Collier was one of the "marked", then why would that guy have said those things?

Yeah, and thinking of the new director of ntac, we don't really know anything about her. I mean, where she came from, who she is. I think in the case of Nina, and I could be miss-rememberiin this, but I think she used to work with Ryland in Washington or something or was reccomdended for the job. She definately didn't just come out of nowhere. I would have to go back and rewatch those old episodes to remember exactly. I will have to say that it is a very intriguing move on the part of the writers in corrupting one of the main characters, ie Tom Baldwin. Even though nothing has happened yet, we know that it will eventually. That is very gripping. I've never seen a show as captivating as this.

I agree, but I'm guarded. If Tom being corrupted becomes an inroad to deducing who The Marked are and what they are about, and Tom is somehow liberated from his mark, then that works for me.

But making Tom one of the bad guys permanently (or giving him promicin, for that matter) would result in one thing only for The 4400: jumping the shark.

I can see them fillin' the shark tank already. Don't get me wrong I love the show and the idea behind it, but dang I feel that parts of this episode can only be described by one word WEAK. Isn't NTAC supposed to be a specialized branch of enforcement? Then how can an officer of this place who is following up a case file to his superior just be swept up and suttled off to a nut house. And the person in charge of this elite, specialized unit is powerless to do anything---I don't buy it. Unless that is you (USA Network) are trying to shovel a pile o' poo on my shoe 'cause I sure smell somethin'. And what's with everybody and their uncle being able to just stroll into the garage of a unique "secured" site. WEAK.

i agree 100% , see my post last month below. i stated the same thing.

I would have to agree with the shadiness of the blonde chick heading NTAC.

Here is what is thought in regards to the 10 Agent thing:



There were 7 people at the meeting, therefore there are already 7 agents.

That would leave 3. I definetly think Kyle. He came back from being abducted w/o an ability - like said in Curtis' movie, they would NOT have an ability. So those "black outs" were the marked agent implanted in him. BUT - Shawn extracted that out of him, so could the shot of P brought it back (Cassie) and just made it possible for him to converse with the implanted entity? Hmmm... tough to say.

Second - I think that blond chick heading NTAC is one. She caused Tom to be abducted and implanted and she looked VERY nervous when Diana mentioned finding out who was at that meeting in Africa. And I think she had something to do with Curtis being "shut up" since he ended up at NTAC after being kidnapped.

I don't think Isabelle is a "marked". It may have been Lily who was. She also came back w/o an ability, she was just pregnant with Isabelle. Which would mean since she died, maybe that leaves another open space for an agent (following Tom's theory on how since Matthew was killed maybe they put what was in him into Tom). I also don't think Jordan, simply because the group at the meeting feared his return. Therefore I believe Jordan really is good. However I don't think that book is and maybe Isabelle is there to reason with Jordan out of following the path of that book. (She seemed concerned about the people being taken from there homes to be moved to the bomb shelter.)
Ben is an interesting choice, but, he doesn't seem to be influencial enough. And he didn't really "silence Maia".

Now maybe Alana - IF she was the one who started the White Light. But then again she had an ability. So it may have been after they reabducted her.

So many possibilities to ponder. VERY interesting.

That is part of why I think that Meagn is one of the marked. She had a weird vibe when Diana said she was going to find out who all was in Africa and she seemed like she planned for Tom to be taken. Just my opinion and seems to be the opinion of many others as well.

i don't think the writers could of made it more obvious they want us to think she is one of the marked.
but is it a trick just to make us think that? setting us up for a nice little twist maybe

I don't know why but I just can't bring myself to like her. I know they played that whole sick father angle to get people to sympathize but eh. I still feel a little iffy about her.

Well, I'll go ahead and say that Lily definately was never one of the marked. There would be no reason for that to be included in the mark and she did nothing to indicate anything to that effect when she was still alive. It was very much of a love story between Richard and Lilly that had a very sad ending with her ultimately dying, but that season wasn't even about the plot to stop the 4400 so I would have to shoot down that idea. As far as the weakness of the episode, I didn't get that at all. In fact, I thought it was the best episode this season. I think you're just readin in to stuff too much when it comes to Tom being committed. Keep in mind that if the director lady is one of the marked, and I think she is, then it isn't that far fetched that she would allow that to happen. As far as people wandering into the parking lot, yeah, you have a solid point but who cares? I don't think that little details like that do anything to really weaken the plot of the show.

I don't if she's one of the marked, but I read a spoiler that she's got an agenda. So many enemies, so little time.
I'm losing count on who's against who. Let's see, Izzy was against the 4400 and a faction of the future was against her.
The marked are out to get Jordan (unless he gets them first) NTAC is looking for Jordan and Izzy, plus the PFTF can swoop down and abduct anyone of the 4400 and non 4400 whenever they get the urge, Kyle could be getting led by someone from the future who is probably against the marked, or maybe Cassie has marked Kyle only he doesn't know it yet because nobody told Kyle, Jordan and Izzy about the Marked, though Jordan may already know and Izzy may already know surely Maia knows everything....AGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

This may be the only time I ever agree with UncleJack. I loved this epi. I thought it was the best so far. I loved it, hated when it was over.

I'm waiting for the camera to show behind Meghan's left ear.

I'm a little more than halfway through the ep, and I'm amazed (and dissapointed) by how fast the hour is flying! No! Keep this episode stretched, cuz it's a good one.

Actually, I am beginning to get frustrated with the show. Too many plots within plots, too many unanswered questions with more questions every episode. How do the writers/producers expect me to keep track of all the new plots and twist every episode? Seriously, the need to start evening the plotlines out or else people get frustrated and stop watching. Many shows with so many plots have failed just because of that, too many plots. This group 'The Marked', seen this in other shows too, super powerful, super connected group working behind the scenes. Mind you, the from the future twist is new. Yet, the all powerful, super connected group is old news.

Maybe I just need to stop watching for a while, I dunno, but I do know I am very tired of so many plots to keep track of and no answers coming.

OMG!! They got Tom! This episode was soooo good! The best one so far! Whatever they putin him can be used when they want and they got to that director guy who first gave them the info, this is interesting, and I'm definately postive that Tom's boss is one of them! She had him sent to the psche ward so he could get implanted and she did look worried with how much info Diana was learning. Things are heating up now!

Yes, I think that was a very good idea too and will makes things very interesting.

He's not a bad guy, but the mark is there where they can access him whenever they want. It makes things interesting just knowing that Tom has the mark, it doesn't mean that TPFTF will actually get a chance to use him.

I agree, I think this is the best episode so far!

I agree, this episode was quite amazing. Bravo for storyline!

On the Lily topic, how can you say she was def. not marked? Don't you find it weird that her and Kyle were the ONLY two 4400's who came back w/o an ability? And since Isabelle was originally implanted into the past by the "bad faction" to destroy the 4400, that would mean that when all the other 4400's were taken, somehow Kyle and Lily were intercepted by this "bad faction" and altered to serve their pupose. Also, when Lily and Richard went back to the center after baby Isabelle accepted Jordan, she wasn't there to aid Jordan in his cause. She made that pretty clear. I don't know, I was just saying it's a possibility.

We know that there are 10 agents from the future and that all 10 of them met in Africa in 2005... Lily was dead by then. Also... Lily died because of Izzy... why would soemoene put themselves through that when they could have easily just done what they did, Impregnate Lily and send her back. Also... Kyle didn't go to the future... he got put in a comma.

Also... just lots of other things. I know there are a lot of theories but I think this one is too far out there.

Poor Tom. It's just one thing after another.

What strikes me as weird, is why didn't TPFTF intervene. I mean, he was so important to them that they stopped him from killing himself, why didn't they stop the agents from implanting something in Tom that would make him do what they want him to do?


Sorry for the double post (I also put this in the "suspecious of Megan" thread, but it fits this too).



Update to post: Just got a response to the question which said that TPFTF don't need Tom anymore because he didn't kill Izzy. I forgot about Izzy telling him that when he went to see her in jail.

What's weird is that it doesn't look like the mark on the computer guy. His looked like an "x", Tom's doesn't.

Most likely because Tom got something different from whatever happened to the people who were marked.

It wasn't an X, it was a red mark. The x's were only used in Curtis' trailer.

I'm with you Chewy AGHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Actually I shouldn't be on this thread "Good Episope" because i was all "uh huh????? wha wha??? ok maybe i missed something but this seemed kind of dorky to me, out of charater, the idea was good but the presentation was weak and just didn't fly with me, i mean really Tom and Diana even caring about a 4400 who could write "B" black and white's, just doesn't seem like something a government agency would be involved with, and then tom being taken away. Although Megan did look a little gulity. And when is Shawn going to grow up, does he really think this guy is going to change? I mean it's great saving a life and all but.... and just because Jordon didn't "order" the attack on the guy doesn't mean one of his people wouldn't do it. Hopefully the 4400 will get back on track.... peaceout

Oh okay, yeah that is interesting.

Oh yeah true, the big fake magic marker X's were in the low budget film by Curtis which was sooooo funny. The REAL marks were not as perfectly defined because it was in the skin not just a fake magic marker X. LOL! I'm confused on whether Tom saw an X behind Curtis' ear at the end. Did he see one? I know they got to him some kind of way.

They definitely got to Curtis but there was no mark behind his ear.

It was because the guy had a 4400 ability which allowed him to write what's really happening, they investigate all 4400 abilities that show up especially when it seems like a death was involved and remember at first they thought Curtis was dead. I thought the B movie reinactments were funny! LOL! Am I the only one who liked that? LOL!

Also I agree about Shawn, he should NOT have healed that guy! Maybe destiny was trying to help them! I could see him saving the guy from dying, but the guy was not dead or dying, he was going to be okay, he just would not be able to continue working and after Maia's dream/vision of what he did, I don't see why Shawn did it. He took an awful big risk. It was a nice thought and I hope the guy changes, but in the real world things are not always a fairy tale like that.

Yup, that sounds about right! They are done with Tom since he did not kill Isabelle. And did you hear how that computer guy was taunting Tom about Alana being taken to the past. He was talking in code so that only Tom & Diana can know what he was talking about and Tom told him straight out that their plan didn't work with them marking him. Tom doesn't realize that it won't start till they are ready for it to start.

Oh okay.

I think Shawn felt he was reconciling what he thought Jordan had done, he didn't want to win the election that way.

And remember, this isn't the real world, it's a Sci-Fi TV Show!

Back to the Lily thing, I have to say that I respect anyone's opinion who thinks she was one of the marked but that idea just doesn't make sense to me and I'm confident that that isn't the case. Like I said before, the story between Lilly and Richard was a love story that carried on for I think two seasons and it really added to the drama of the show. Lilly was one of the purest characters on the show and her death was very sad to me and really added to the drama of the show. The writers aren't crazy, their not going to corrupt the character of one of the strongest characters in the show just to add something interesting to the plot of this season especially considerng the fact that all this happened after she already died. I actually thought the episode where she died was one of the best episodes because it was so said...we had all gotten to love Lily and Richard and the connection they shared and then when Isabel come to the forefront then it cost her her life and it was very emotional. My main reason for saying Lily wasn't one of the marked is because it just doesn't do anything to add to the drama of the show, if anything it hurts it.

I think I'm beginning to feel the same as dantivirus. It's not that I mind a lot of plots and sub-plots; it's just that these don't make sense to the story or do anything to move it along.

Also, I'm very TIRED of the whole religious, waiting for God, mystical/magical nonsense the series has fallen into. This is not what the first two seasons promised.

The obvious attempt in last nights ep to make Collier reminiscent of Jesus with that flowing white shirt was the last straw for me.

I am enjoying the Shawn and Tom & Diana storylines. I just wish they weren't tied to this rediculous religious plotline. Actually, the plotline would probably be great if it didn't have this Jorden as Jesus thing thrown in.

Yeah, the twists and turns are getting a bit exausting. Progress was made though, at least people are realizing that the guy supposedly helping Shawn at the 4400 Center (Mattew I believe) was a bad guy. Moreover, it looks like Mia may be 'pushed' closer to Collier and his people. This may be the only thing that saves her and the other 4400 in the end. Also, Tom may have to get the promicen shot to get rid of the conciness inside him placed there by the Marked. If Mia gets closer to Jordan perhaps Kyle and Jordan will be able to find out through her and Diana that Tom needs help. Shawn, however, really seems to be blowing it - throughout the series whenever it came down to it, his judgment seems to have been poor.

Maybe I'm older than many of you, but I like the references to early movies...last week was INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS and this week the way the film director was speaking in his movie conjured up The Amazing Kreskin in PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE. I always enjoy these types of references.

I definitely don't like her after she turned in Tom and Diana is skeptical of her too. Right on Diana!

I'm guessing if Meghan is actually in the wrong, Diana's shrewdness will weed her out. She's definately suspicious of her!

Why would Tom have to take such a drastic step like that to evade his body of the mark? I'm sure he can easily have Shawn remove the other conscience just like he did with that one inside Kyle.





Well, in all reality, what do you expect? I mean the kid is lacking age and wordly experience, and wisdom that comes along with age. Do you think Shawn did the right thing healing Gabriel Hewitt, knowing what he might do to the 4400 in the future?

I think Shawn was partially being defiant healing Hewit, and also taking a risky move to make Hewit like him. It could be he's enabling Maia's vision to come true.

I thought the show was lame. I even turned on my closed-caption button so I could read what they were saying and it still didn't help the show out.

Yeah, and thinking of the new director of ntac, we don't really know anything about her.


I took an instant dislike to her. I can't explain it. She is SO insincere about everything she says.

[quote name='boooey' date='Jul 22 2007, 11:34 PM' post='546314']
i agree 100% , see my post last month below. i stated the same thing.



Yes yes and yes. Okay sure there are a lot of people with special powers, but wouldn't you think that they would have a high security set-up.

I agree, but if Hewitt turns out to be the "home grown Hitler" like Mia predicted, how then will Shawn feel knowing that he didn't have to heal him? He will have that weighing on his conscience forever, that he enabled a dictator to rise to power, and it could have been avioded.

Honestly, I think it sounds like the reason you don't believe she was marked was because you loved her character and don't want her tainted, not because it "doesn't do anything to add to the drama of the show".
Yes Lily may have died before the meeting, BUT at the same time she was alive, Kyle was having his blackouts so I'm just saying it could've been possible. And it wasn't just a "love story", she had a major role as the carrier for the "secret weapon" of the bad faction!!!! Why didn't she have an ability? Richard did.
IT was a sad episode where she died, I agree. It was very touching, but that's what made Isabelle so easily disliked.
Anyway, it doesn't matter, it was just a freakin thought! Sorry if I offended Lily. No hard feelings.

Lily being an agent sounds like it's coming in from left field a bit. I mean, she was Isabelle's mom, and like Uncle Jack said, she was one of the purest characters. Her ability just never really manifested, which could've been due to the horomones (a theory I saw on a thread). Watching the second season made me really miss her character.

LOL! Yeah true, this show isn't the real world! Hhahaha! And good point about him reconciling what he thinks Jordan had done, because he sure did say that he didn't believe Jordan and he felt like it was his fault because he told Jordan about the guy. Okay that makes sense.