Where did you find your gif images? Awesome.

Anyone think it would have been more realistic if she had stopped being his partner after "Purgatory"? Even if just for awhile, then they get back for season finale, something along those lines?

I wasn't going to respond to this thread, but here it goes. I think it would have been unrealistic if she did. They are working partners he was following orders. She just had to get over it and she did. If you want to compair it to a mariage like some people seem to want to do. It would like being married 8 yrs and leaving after a major blow up cause he didn't call after staying out all night with his buddies and coming home drunk. You just don't leave over stuff like that. Now if he was a bad cop, then it would be different.

That is a good analogy. I'm going to play DA and take it a step farther and say that this wasn't an isolated incident. The build up from what happened in untethered and the fact that they didn't seem tohave communicated much over the time he was gone is enough, in my opin, for her to have just blown up and left.

In the marriage analogy, they've been married for 8 or 9 years, they had a major blow up because he didn't call after stying out all night with his buddies and came home drunk. This comes after nearly six months of being virtually ignored just about every day for almost six months. And then six months earlier there was another blow up of sorts.

I think that Eames would have had grounds to leave or at least ask for a temporary partnership with someone else.

That wasn't the last episode either. Frame need's to be continued, IMO.

Maybe she would not have known what to do with herself if she had left. Maybe she felt like he was the one that needed to leave.

If she puts in a request for a new partner, then that's it for the two of them. The department isn't going to cater to people's moods and do temporary requests. It would probably take a while for them to process her request and find her a new partner, so it's not the way to blow off some steam. What she could do is take a special assignment like Wheeler did and that would give her a temporary change of scenery. But that again would have to be something she'd have to apply for and then wait for something to come up.

As a partner and friend, Eames wouldn´t have ever done such thing, specially after all those things both faced through those years, when eames was kidnapped and suffered, Bobby made everything and went everywhere to find her, that´s way and not only because of that she will stay with him, for all things.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think she would have asked for a temporary partner becuase she knew it would make him look bad. Right now he doesn't have many people on his side. She let him know she was mad at him at the end of "purgatory " by basically telling him she felt like he didn't appreciate her. He appologised to her and has tried to treat her better since. In the end, they are friends. He screwed up and she forgave him.

Well, I have to admit the first time I saw "Purgatory", I thought that Eames over reacted a bit. I could see her being angry for being kept out of the loop (including at Ross and the COD, not just at Goren), but the way she blew up at Goren seemed over the top to me. My husband actually made the same comment before I did (he's a big fan of the show, too).

After I thought about it, I realized that she was most angry at what could have happened...that she could have killed him. On a professional level, I imagine in law enforcement circles that it isn't good form to shoot your partner for any reason. On a personal level, this is her colleague, friend and overall someone significant in her life that may have been lost at her own hand. So, I've always thought Eames' outburst at Goren was mostly about that. Being a consummate professional, dedicated to doing the job, I would think she'd give things time to settle down before making any major decisions like asking for a new partner or leaving her job.

I, too, think Eames overreacted a bit, yet I don't blame her for being hurt. Bobby did not intentionally hurt her and he never has. He is not the worst partner, though his personality does cause some problems. Having worked with him for 8 years, she should know this. She said to him that she lies for him and covers his ass, but he stands by her too! Bobby pushed the envelope at times, but its only because he feels its the right thing to do. He doesn't do it to be a blowhard or a rebel. He stands by his convictions.
However, maybe they need a break. I was kinda hoping they would be temporarily separated. I posted this somewhere in this forum a while ago, but this is what I was thinking: Eames complains to Ross so she gets paired with Det. Nichols and Goren is paired with Wheeler. Ross feels because Wheeler talkes to him all the time, he can keep closer reigns on Goren. Wheeler is aprehensive working with Bobby because of his reputation. Meanwhile, Eames learned that working with Goren is a dream compared to Nichols. Bobby, knowing he has screwed with his career enough, plays it by the book with Wheeler. Wheeler doesn't understand what the problem with him ever was and tells Ross he's fine. Eames realizes she wants her old partner and friend back... they switch.

But don't you remember Eames saying her partner doesn't do well with change.

And they were separated for the six months of his suspension. IMO Eames expressed her anger at Goren because it was safe. She couldn't yell at Ross, even though she really should have been most angry with him. In Frame its obvious Eames is back to worrying about Bobby and being protective.

So Eames says to Ross but Goren worked with Bishop without a problem. He preferred to work with Eames, but he dealt with it fine.


I agree with you...she yelled at him because she could. She is over it now and they seem back to "normal". Hopefully, Bobby's life will settle down a bit...but that is for another thread.

yes, indeed he doesn´t but while Eames was away, due pregnancy, he did well with his substitute and I agree with Marciemon, she did fell while he was on suspension, specially when she entered in the room and almost shoot Goren, not to mention he let her out of loop due his undercover operation.

1. She's his boss. It is not whether she would leave him,
it is where she would place him.
2. She's admitted giving up her chance for promotion by
dedicating herself to holding his leash, so she's got a real
problem if she allows him to be fired--which is what I believe
would have happened to him in real life. The dead rat shows
he's low on support. High-maintenance employees don't last.
I suspect he would end up like Sherlock Holmes--independent
contractor.
3. She was assigned a temporary partner--the fellow who
put his feet up on the desk? Question: Did she choose
him or was he assigned to her? She is also in a chain of
command. If teams are required, then she would be
paired whether she wanted to or not, to fulfill job
requirements.
4. However, they have to please the viewers

That's a great point there!!!

We better print 6,356,278,113 Fan Club cards as EVERYONE on the Earth (and the International Space Station) is now a fan!!!

What if our Bobby is exactly the bastard he seems to be? What if he selfishly kept Eames in the dark and would have done with or without orders? Shouldn't she punish him for that?

On the best job I ever had, if you messed up, they
would teach you rather than criticize you. I don't
think she would punish him, but rather try to educate
him.

But, if my partner didn't answer my
calls for six months, I wouldn't be pouting. I'd be
over pounding on the door to see if he were ill.
Also, I'd be pushing him to have coffee or whatever
just to keep his spirits up.

So either she really doesn't like him, or she's
immature. I don't believe either. So I put
the tantrum/pouty stuff down to lack of
imagination on the part of the writers. And
I really appreciate the LOCI writers.

Oh, it pains me to say this about our beloved detective, but . . .

Quite frankly, I don't believe that he has the ability to think beyond himself when it comes to his life/well being. He did not grow up with any model of a healthy relationship (personal or otherwise). Evidence of its effect on his life is the fact that as far as we know, he has never had a long term personal relationship, and until Eames, he did not have long term professional relationships either.

So, would he have kept her in the dark orders or no? I don't know . . . maybe. He obviously wasn't communicating with her during his suspension, so it is quite possible that he would not have told her that he was working undercover in Purgatory. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he may have thought that he had already gotten her into enough trouble with the unauthorized undercover operation, and he didn't want to do any more damage to her career. However and just as likely, he was in a very dark place in his life, and he obviously chooses to do that alone. He's known no other way. Remember, he did not tell Eames of his mother's cancer (she learned about it when he used it as a rapport building tool with a perp), and he pushed her away when he was having to choose his mother over his job in The War At Home.

Now that I've beat him up, let me say that I am impressed with the quality of the man, given his backstory. He has made some good choices in his life. He did not go down the road of his dad or his brother. Instead, he utilizes his intelligence; chose a career to serve and help others; appears to sincerely care about justice, the victims, and sometimes even the perps (remember Tagman?); and has good values and high moral standards. And, I do think he values his relationship with Eames, both professionally and personally. I just think that sometimes, he doesn't know what he needs to do to nurture that. He's trying though, I'll give him that.

Should Eames punish him? As she pointed out in her tirade, his wounds are self inflicted. To some degree I would have to agree with that, and isn't that punishment enough when it comes to their relationship? Right now, he is a mess. But, as I said in an earlier post, Eames has chosen to maintain the relationship, warts and all. That doesn't mean she can't get angry with him and give him a piece of her mind now and again. It was probably a good wake up call.

I couldn't agree with you more, DetectiveC. I think you made a lot of excellent points! I know that Bobby has used isolationism as a defense mechanism all his life. Its a way to hide away what he views as the bad things in his life from others. In HS, it seems that he was the anti-social outcast. Probably acted weird to deter people from wanting to get to know him and be his friend. During his adult life he has kept people at arm's length just close enough to do his job. I guess with girlfriends, when the relationship starts to get too serious and its time to "open up" he cuts and runs. All his life he has withdrawn into himself as a defense mechanism. As you said, DetectiveC, its all he knows.

Some very good points; your post is very well thought out and made me think.

Bear in mind, I'm a late blooming fan and I still haven't seen all the episodes, but this is how I took it. Please feel free to correct/add anything because you all have more knowledge of the two than I do at this point.

Given his background, it's likely he's got some degree of both trust and abandonment issues, factors in not being able to keep partners. He trusts Eames as much as he's capable of, even if it isn't always clear to her. It could make her more important to him and he won't always make the best decisions because of it. It'd also lead to him pushing her away when she gets too close, even if he's not entirely conscious of the behavior.

As for Eames, I think her reaction was a sum of things. Her husband died in a botched undercover with bad cops, so it's a touchy spot, plus she had his back in the Tates incident (essentially, a botched undercover with bad guards) and would have done so here--if he'd trusted her enough, in her mind.

In all reality, I'm not sure how much Goren trusts himself, and I don't think he wanted to drag Eames into a bad situation he put himself in because he lost his badge; he just wanted to deal with everything alone ("self-inflicted" wounds). You're not talking just damage to her career. He was undercover with dirty cops. Had he been talking to her, it could have very easily gotten back to them, but Eames knows how to handle herself, and may have felt he was implying she couldn't ("carrying your water"). She felt betrayed on many levels. We know he has literally protected her before, (Siren Call, for example), but reputation-wise, not really ("Since when?").

However, Frame did a nice of job of putting things into perspective. She was angry that everyone 'turned' on him, felt a little helpless, it seems, and Goren leaned on her instead of pushing her away.

I watched purgatory this morning, and I actually re-watcecd the scene where she chewed him out. I actually felt bad for both of them. I felt that Bobby seemed kind of remorseful for the way that things had to happen and the fact that Eames was so upset.

I think that Alex felt justified in her anger. I'm inclined to think that she was more angry that she could have killed him or that he could have been killed by someone else than the fact that he went undercover without telling her. I think that she was upset that he didn't tell her that he was undercover, but I think that she was more upset that she had pulled her gun on him.

I think that she could have also been afraid a little to as to what could have happend to her. He had his gun pulled on her, too. She may have wondered what he was doing and if he would hurt her.

I'm with you jcsavestheday. As I read through the posts on this thread again, I was just thinking that the LOCI writers must have done an amazing job to have sparked such a debate. They revealed just enough to let us see the emotions of the characters at the time, but kept just enough unsaid to make us all wonder how Goren and Eames were going to keep their partnership intact. I wonder if they ever read this forum and are smiling, congratulating themselves on a job well done.

Eames wasn't only pissed at Goren, but Ross as well!

ITA, JC!

"That's all you have to say to me? I could've blown your head off back there!.....Oh yeah? And what would you have done if it wasn't me who burst through that door? You'd be dead!"
I don't know if I have that exactly right, but I think this idea freaked her out more than anything!

Timeline question: How long was he on
suspension before he took the undercover
job? Is it possible they were in contact
while he was suspended, but before
he went undercover?

I asked Alexandra why she is the HOTTEST woman on TV and this was her reaction.......

I think it was six months. Someone else might have a more accurate timeline, but I recall the perp/bad cop telling Goren that he had been suspended six months, "same as you." I suppose it's possible that at the time Goren took the undercover job, six months had not yet gone by. I think five months had gone by in the real world, but fiction universe is altogether different.

It was 6 month's no pay! I think that was his chance to take to reinact hie purgatory so to speak. I assume he called Ross right away to see if Ross could help him if he went undercover without noone, including Eames knowing, or his cover would have been blown.

Um... Daz and... Well it was just daz.

I have.....through extensive testing and many hours of empirical study.....come to the following two conclusions:

(1) ALL pictures of Alexandra Eames are HOT!!!!

(2) I like ALL the pictures ever taken of Alexandra Eames!!!

(It's a no-brainer, really because she is so HOT!!!!)

I´m totally with you.

Do you have to wear asbestos gloves to handle her photos, and...uhm...her, OG? I would think 3rd degree burns might be a risk.

It's a risk I'm willing to take......

Well...be careful out there!

The only caption for this picture is...

The HOTTEST Woman on TV!!!

Haha you two!


THUD!

Even though this picture is incredibly HOT, scuttlebutt has it that, in Season 8, Alexandra Eames will be even HOTTER!!!......I can't wait!!!

TOTALLY!

:thud:

~Moark.

Alexandra and I will be indisposed tonight as she has again promised to show me the right way to "cuff a perp".....me being the "perp".....the first time she tried she lost the key....(I think intentionally because of what happened later......I'll tell you that story sometime after I've fully recovered).......

And may I ask how many times has this happened to you?

Oh.......not more than.................TWENTY times!!!.................(I'm a slow learner).......

only one slot from going to Page 2........whew!!.......that was close......but we recovered to live on Page 1 for another day......

Bump

Only 27 more days until the Season 8 version of Alexandra Eames is released to the world.......and I am getting the feeling from the postings that many of you are NOT prepared for this.......I'm not trying to be pushy but please start your preparations......go to my website......

IFYOUDONTPREPAREFORTHESEASON8VERSIONOFALEXANDRAEAMESTHENYOUAREONYOUROWN.COM

it is full of ways to prepare for what is to come.......



Mr. T has been gracious enough to issue the following statement........"Only a FOOL wouldn't be ready for the Season 8 version of Alexandra Eames.........and I pity the FOOL who doesn't go to OG's website for the free info"