I've seen eppy's where they'll talk about the statistics of the recidisizm (sp?) of how likely rapists are to rape agian, and also that rape/sexual assault vic's are however many more times likely to be assaulted again. That is somewhat common knowledge. But what my question is, is that during an eppy, (pls don't ask what one, or what season, even what happens...i dunno. I tuned in late.) they were talking about how vic's of abuse (sexual) when they were children are so many more times likely to repeat the cycle.
I'd like to know that number, but on top of that, i would like you all to explain something to me. I really don't understand how someone who went through something that horrific, can turn around and do the same to someone else. Especially a child. (as was what happened in an eppy) If you know how much it hurt, and how much YOU didn't like it, then why on Earth would you turn around and inflict that same pain on someone else, especially a loved one?
Also, WHY is it that vic's of rape/sexual assault are so many more times likely to be assaulted agian? I think Danni brought this up in an eppy, but is it the way they act? (I'm in NO WAY WHATSOEVER saying that it's their fault)
What i mean by the way they act, is that if they were to act withdrawn, maybe someone would think that they could take advantage of them easier than someone who makes it a point to say "no".
Thanks in advance!
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The episode is called Infected.
I have no idea about the stats on repetitive crime. I really do not know if there can be a legit one out there; considering that most statistics on crime comes from broke intercity communities and not in rich communities.
To answer your question about the reason for the child, Nathan, turning around and killing the man who killed his mother, who really knows. Sometimes people do things for reasons that are unexplainable. Most cannot see that children are people to. They have anger and guilt just as adults do. What would you have done if the man who killed the only living relative you had, your mother no less, was about to walk free. Nathan felt that his mother's death was his fault. Not only that, but he was responsible for the perp getting out of prison because he couldn't ID him in the line up; ID his voice anyways.
The comment on victims being more likely to turn around and do their own assaulting was also brought up by Liv. She had said that victims who were raped as children are more likely to grow up to become offenders themselves. Most rapists were raped at some point or another. Perhaps it is because it had such a traumatic impact on them that it is all they are able to think about. It is all they know. Think about it this way. When a child grows up with an abusive father how will the child grow up to treat their own children? The same way. They will abuse their children because it is how they were taught a father figure should act. It is what they learned and even though they know it was wrong and how much it hurt them, they still do it. Violence, IMO, is not impeded within, it is taught.
I have no idea about the stats on repetitive crime. I really do not know if there can be a legit one out there; considering that most statistics on crime comes from broke intercity communities and not in rich communities.
To answer your question about the reason for the child, Nathan, turning around and killing the man who killed his mother, who really knows. Sometimes people do things for reasons that are unexplainable. Most cannot see that children are people to. They have anger and guilt just as adults do. What would you have done if the man who killed the only living relative you had, your mother no less, was about to walk free. Nathan felt that his mother's death was his fault. Not only that, but he was responsible for the perp getting out of prison because he couldn't ID him in the line up; ID his voice anyways.
The comment on victims being more likely to turn around and do their own assaulting was also brought up by Liv. She had said that victims who were raped as children are more likely to grow up to become offenders themselves. Most rapists were raped at some point or another. Perhaps it is because it had such a traumatic impact on them that it is all they are able to think about. It is all they know. Think about it this way. When a child grows up with an abusive father how will the child grow up to treat their own children? The same way. They will abuse their children because it is how they were taught a father figure should act. It is what they learned and even though they know it was wrong and how much it hurt them, they still do it. Violence, IMO, is not impeded within, it is taught.
I know some stats on repetitive crime like rape they are mostly estimated from the FBI but alcaholo plays a really hug role in a sexually assault case with apercentage of 75 % only one i can think of off the top of my head.
I think the reason for Nathan shooting the man who killed his mother is he felt quilty that he witnessed the rape and murder of his mother and did nothing to stop him and he was angry because he was going to get away with doing that to his mother and he didn't want him to get off on it so he and agree childern have anger and guilt just like adults and can make thier own decisions on how they handle the swituations they are in. If i was in Nathan's shoes i would of done the samething because i would of felt like it was my fault and my repsonsabilty that my mother's murder would not go unpunished an eye for an eye.
on the victims being more likey to trun around and do assaulting now this is coming from a 17 year old that was raped when she was 16 and i remember benson saying that victims who were raped as childern are more likely to grow up and be sex offenders it made me think could i do that to a kid once i'm older what if i have kids and i do that to them? Then i said you know what i never want to be like that i never want a child to go through what i went through and knowing that for the rest of thier lives they will be truatized. i sort of disagree with the IMO is not impeeded within it is tought cause i believe that yeah most of it is tought like if your dad or mother beat on each other you or abuse in some way you will think that is ok do to because you have a lower self esteem about having sex with childern or beathing your husband or wife and you would think it's ok. But half of it is genes and how strong you are because take olivia and elliot for example Olivia is a product of rape and came from an abuisive home but she isn't violent or beats people up and look at how elliot's father treated him by beating him and elliot don't beat his childern.
I think the reason for Nathan shooting the man who killed his mother is he felt quilty that he witnessed the rape and murder of his mother and did nothing to stop him and he was angry because he was going to get away with doing that to his mother and he didn't want him to get off on it so he and agree childern have anger and guilt just like adults and can make thier own decisions on how they handle the swituations they are in. If i was in Nathan's shoes i would of done the samething because i would of felt like it was my fault and my repsonsabilty that my mother's murder would not go unpunished an eye for an eye.
on the victims being more likey to trun around and do assaulting now this is coming from a 17 year old that was raped when she was 16 and i remember benson saying that victims who were raped as childern are more likely to grow up and be sex offenders it made me think could i do that to a kid once i'm older what if i have kids and i do that to them? Then i said you know what i never want to be like that i never want a child to go through what i went through and knowing that for the rest of thier lives they will be truatized. i sort of disagree with the IMO is not impeeded within it is tought cause i believe that yeah most of it is tought like if your dad or mother beat on each other you or abuse in some way you will think that is ok do to because you have a lower self esteem about having sex with childern or beathing your husband or wife and you would think it's ok. But half of it is genes and how strong you are because take olivia and elliot for example Olivia is a product of rape and came from an abuisive home but she isn't violent or beats people up and look at how elliot's father treated him by beating him and elliot don't beat his childern.
Recidivism rates are based on the number of people convicted of that particular crime and after they get out of prison are re-arrested for that same crime. From the DOJ site: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/rpr94.htm
As for your question about why people who were abused as children can, and sometimes do, abuse their own children (or children close to them), unfortunately it's often a matter of they don't know any better. It sounds like a cop-out, I know, but think about it this way, if you were raised to think that the color red was called purple, how could anyone convince you otherwise without a lot of patience and retraining?
Abuse isn't a one-time deal either. It's usually an ongoing activity that slowly erodes the person's self-esteem and ability to know right from wrong in certain situations. If a little girl's father says, "I love you, this is how people show they love each other" as he molests her, she's not going to think it's wrong because daddy loves her and wouldn't hurt her, right? Children can be conditioned to believe that hugs and slugs are "normal" parts of their life if they live with an abuser. So when they grow up, in spite of all the news reports and discussions in classrooms and boardrooms, they don't think it's wrong to do the same that they were taught.
http://www.lisadunningmft.com/child_abuse_cycle.htm
I hope this helps.
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Recidivism of Prisoners Released in 1994
Reports on the rearrest, reconviction, and reincarceration of former inmates who were tracked for 3 years after their release from prisons in 15 States in 1994. The former inmates represent two-thirds of all prisoners released in the United States that year. The report includes prisoner demographic characteristics (gender, race, Hispanic origin, and age), criminal record, types of offenses for which they were imprisoned, the effects of length of stay in prison on likelihood of rearrest, and comparisons with a study of prisoners released in 1983.
Highlights include the following:
Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).
Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide.
The 272,111 offenders discharged in 1994 had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release.
These are old numbers, so I'm sure there's been some change in the last decade.Reports on the rearrest, reconviction, and reincarceration of former inmates who were tracked for 3 years after their release from prisons in 15 States in 1994. The former inmates represent two-thirds of all prisoners released in the United States that year. The report includes prisoner demographic characteristics (gender, race, Hispanic origin, and age), criminal record, types of offenses for which they were imprisoned, the effects of length of stay in prison on likelihood of rearrest, and comparisons with a study of prisoners released in 1983.
Highlights include the following:
Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).
Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide.
The 272,111 offenders discharged in 1994 had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release.
As for your question about why people who were abused as children can, and sometimes do, abuse their own children (or children close to them), unfortunately it's often a matter of they don't know any better. It sounds like a cop-out, I know, but think about it this way, if you were raised to think that the color red was called purple, how could anyone convince you otherwise without a lot of patience and retraining?
Abuse isn't a one-time deal either. It's usually an ongoing activity that slowly erodes the person's self-esteem and ability to know right from wrong in certain situations. If a little girl's father says, "I love you, this is how people show they love each other" as he molests her, she's not going to think it's wrong because daddy loves her and wouldn't hurt her, right? Children can be conditioned to believe that hugs and slugs are "normal" parts of their life if they live with an abuser. So when they grow up, in spite of all the news reports and discussions in classrooms and boardrooms, they don't think it's wrong to do the same that they were taught.
http://www.lisadunningmft.com/child_abuse_cycle.htm
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Why do those who suffer from child abuse become abusers themselves?
Unfortunately they learned how to deal with their anger and frustration through violence. Many children, who are victims of child abuse, learn to be aggressive and violent to others. They often have low self esteem and become involved in relationships where there is domestic violence. Studies have revealed that many inmates in prison have been victims of child abuse. As children they learned how to deal with their problems through violence. As adults that violence was perpetrated on other innocent victims.
If we know that children of abusers become future child abusers, then it obviously follows that many parents who abuse their children were victims of child abuse themselves. I am not trying to excuse abusive behavior, but knowing that an abuser today typically had been abused as a child does help abusers realize that they need to take the necessary steps to educate themselves about child abuse so they can end the cycle of abuse with their children.
Victims of child abuse need counseling and parenting education to help break the cycle. By providing parenting education many of these parents will learn new and more appropriate parenting skills. Counseling will also enable victims to heal from the emotional pain they suffered.
Unfortunately they learned how to deal with their anger and frustration through violence. Many children, who are victims of child abuse, learn to be aggressive and violent to others. They often have low self esteem and become involved in relationships where there is domestic violence. Studies have revealed that many inmates in prison have been victims of child abuse. As children they learned how to deal with their problems through violence. As adults that violence was perpetrated on other innocent victims.
If we know that children of abusers become future child abusers, then it obviously follows that many parents who abuse their children were victims of child abuse themselves. I am not trying to excuse abusive behavior, but knowing that an abuser today typically had been abused as a child does help abusers realize that they need to take the necessary steps to educate themselves about child abuse so they can end the cycle of abuse with their children.
Victims of child abuse need counseling and parenting education to help break the cycle. By providing parenting education many of these parents will learn new and more appropriate parenting skills. Counseling will also enable victims to heal from the emotional pain they suffered.
I hope this helps.
^ thank u very much....that does help. Very interesting too KatRose....thanks for the info. Glad to know that u guys can edumacate someone who wants some learnin'. lol thanks again u guys! 
but one thing that i'm still kinda woundering...is WHY woman who are raped/sexually assaulted are so many more times likely to be assaulted again? I don't understand how they become "targets" if you will, in the sense that they are more likely to be assaulted again.
well benson to answer that question about why women who were raped or sexually assulted are most likely to get raped again is because now this is just coming from own personal exsperiance. When i was 14 my best friend whom was 15 tried to rape me but all he did was beat me up and gave me bruised and cracked ribs and a scratch on my side and then when i was 16 my neighber whom i had no idea was a sex offender raped me i believe that the reason women who were raped in the past feel like it's somewhat thier fault cause they didn't see the signs and it was so truamaince for them that they block it out of thier minds to the point of convincing themseleves it never happened and they have a lower self esteem about guys and themseleves.
I found this statement:
http://www.thecoalition.org/education/sastats.html
1 in 3 women will be raped in their lifetime. If they have been raped, there is a 50% chance of the person being assaulted again.
But I was unable to find any corroborating data from other sources, so I can't give you a textbook reason why. However, I can postulate that it's because after a first assault a woman can give off an impression to people watching her that she's afraid, unsure of herself, unable to do anything more than hide, etc. If a rapist is looking for an "easy" target, that kind of behavior would be enticing because he'd think, "She's already 'weak' and won't be much trouble" thus making it more "pleasurable" for the rapist (i.e. her pleading and begging to not go through this again would get him off faster).
I also found this:
http://www.musc.edu/vawprevention/research/survey.shtml
Childhood victimization places victims at risk for later victimization.
18% of the female rape victims who reported being raped before age 18 were raped again as adults.
Only 9% of adult female rape victims, without childhood rape experiences, were raped more than once.
I wonder if the 50% stat has more to do with repetitive assaults from childhood assaults and/or spouse/significant other assaults where the girl/woman didn't have the opportunity to cry STOP! and have it heard or believed and thus putting her back into the same situation making it easy for the rapist/assaulter to repeat their actions.
Something to think about until we find definitive statistical proof for those numbers.
http://www.thecoalition.org/education/sastats.html
1 in 3 women will be raped in their lifetime. If they have been raped, there is a 50% chance of the person being assaulted again.
But I was unable to find any corroborating data from other sources, so I can't give you a textbook reason why. However, I can postulate that it's because after a first assault a woman can give off an impression to people watching her that she's afraid, unsure of herself, unable to do anything more than hide, etc. If a rapist is looking for an "easy" target, that kind of behavior would be enticing because he'd think, "She's already 'weak' and won't be much trouble" thus making it more "pleasurable" for the rapist (i.e. her pleading and begging to not go through this again would get him off faster).
I also found this:
http://www.musc.edu/vawprevention/research/survey.shtml
Childhood victimization places victims at risk for later victimization.
18% of the female rape victims who reported being raped before age 18 were raped again as adults.
Only 9% of adult female rape victims, without childhood rape experiences, were raped more than once.
I wonder if the 50% stat has more to do with repetitive assaults from childhood assaults and/or spouse/significant other assaults where the girl/woman didn't have the opportunity to cry STOP! and have it heard or believed and thus putting her back into the same situation making it easy for the rapist/assaulter to repeat their actions.
Something to think about until we find definitive statistical proof for those numbers.
QUOTE (KatRose @ Jan 13 2007, 12:29 AM) 
I found this statement:
http://www.thecoalition.org/education/sastats.html
1 in 3 women will be raped in their lifetime. If they have been raped, there is a 50% chance of the person being assaulted again.
But I was unable to find any corroborating data from other sources, so I can't give you a textbook reason why. However, I can postulate that it's because after a first assault a woman can give off an impression to people watching her that she's afraid, unsure of herself, unable to do anything more than hide, etc. If a rapist is looking for an "easy" target, that kind of behavior would be enticing because he'd think, "She's already 'weak' and won't be much trouble" thus making it more "pleasurable" for the rapist (i.e. her pleading and begging to not go through this again would get him off faster).
I'll keep digging and post if I can find anything more substantial.
http://www.thecoalition.org/education/sastats.html
1 in 3 women will be raped in their lifetime. If they have been raped, there is a 50% chance of the person being assaulted again.
But I was unable to find any corroborating data from other sources, so I can't give you a textbook reason why. However, I can postulate that it's because after a first assault a woman can give off an impression to people watching her that she's afraid, unsure of herself, unable to do anything more than hide, etc. If a rapist is looking for an "easy" target, that kind of behavior would be enticing because he'd think, "She's already 'weak' and won't be much trouble" thus making it more "pleasurable" for the rapist (i.e. her pleading and begging to not go through this again would get him off faster).
I'll keep digging and post if I can find anything more substantial.
Thanks KatRose. Really good info. I thought that it was something along the lines of women being 'weak' or scared. And how ppl notice something's wrong, rapists can notice the same things. My only sub-question, if you will, is if the second attacker is someone that the woman didn't know, then how do you think they would know or be able to tell if the woman was raped before or not? or does it then become coincidence? You don't have to go searching far and wide on the net for a reply to my 'sub-question', your opionion will due just fine. Thanks again for all your info on this, kat.
As to your post, benson, i am very sorry to hear what you went through. and you have good points too. I think you have a good point about the whole blocking out part. as well as the low self-esteeme part. thanks for your opionion!
QUOTE (benson @ Jan 12 2007, 11:26 PM)
well benson to answer that question about why women who were raped or sexually assulted are most likely to get raped again is because now this is just coming from own personal exsperiance. When i was 14 my best friend whom was 15 tried to rape me but all he did was beat me up and gave me bruised and cracked ribs and a scratch on my side and then when i was 16 my neighber whom i had no idea was a sex offender raped me i believe that the reason women who were raped in the past feel like it's somewhat thier fault cause they didn't see the signs and it was so truamaince for them that they block it out of thier minds to the point of convincing themseleves it never happened and they have a lower self esteem about guys and themseleves.
I am so sorry that happened to you. It seems to me that abuse is the same way. You really do not see it coming. My dad was very abusive physically and mentally and I always told myself that I would never enter into an abusive relationship. That, of course, was a joke because that is exactly what I did. He never raped me, but he use to beat me on a regular bases. He gave me black eyes, a busted lip, a lot of bruises on my arms and other parts of my body and sprained fingers. I was able to break it off because of the love and support my friends, my brother and sister had given me. Most are not so lucky. The point is that I did not go looking for an abusive boyfriend, it just happened; as I am sure raped women, or men, who become rap victims once again may think.
thanks Benson and Mary the only reason i am not flipping out is because of two people mariska hargitay and what she said to me really got to me i was like wow someone really does care about me and the other person is my counclor who was helped me out alot and i will always be thankful for that even though i'll probably be in councling for the rest of my life. I agree with you mary about the abuse thing because my step brother was abusive towards me he never left any bruises cause he didn't want to get caught but he did crack and bruise my ribes once he normally picked on my little sister because i fought back and she didn't and if i knew he was hurting her i would of stoped it and then as i said when i was 14 my best friend whim i knew four three years attacked me and i never seen the signs of him being abusive at all or i guess i was just to nieve to see it thinking oh he's just trying to protect me that's why he's always around me. i actually in a way feel like it's my fault that i was beaten and then raped later on. I am so sorry mary you had to go through that with both your dad and boyfriend but i am so glad you where strong enough to get out of the relationship before something worse happens and yes most rape and abuise vics are not lucky enough. i also agree that abuse victs don't go looking for abusive boyfriends or girlfriends they just do and same with rape victs because the people can sense thier weaknesses and go after that.
mary and benson i am so sorry about what you have gone through. but remember it is not your fault. it has never been your fault and it will never be your fault. you are some of the strongest people i have ever spoken too. it is people like you 2 that give the rest of us hope.
thank you svuchick i know it's not my fault but on my bad days i think it is. i love the people on here to death even though we come from diffrent backgrounds, places, we all have one thing in common SVU and helping others. thank you so much for saying me and mary are the strongest people you ever spoken to and that we give the rest of youns hope your words touch my soul in a good way in a way that i know i can trust someone with a problem.
QUOTE (SVUchick @ Jan 13 2007, 12:14 PM)
mary and benson i am so sorry about what you have gone through. but remember it is not your fault. it has never been your fault and it will never be your fault. you are some of the strongest people i have ever spoken too. it is people like you 2 that give the rest of us hope.
Thanks for the love and support. It means a lot to know that there are people out there who care about others. I love this board and all though I have only been on this board for a short time, I have meet some really great people. I am really looking forward to sharing my thoughts and feelings on the show with all of you.
Much love peeps 
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QUOTE (SVUchick @ Jan 13 2007, 12:14 PM)
mary and benson i am so sorry about what you have gone through. but remember it is not your fault. it has never been your fault and it will never be your fault. you are some of the strongest people i have ever spoken too. it is people like you 2 that give the rest of us hope.
this is true, after hearing your stories i was brought to tears. You both are very strong people.
thanks ashes I love all of you on here you guys are my family! i love youns to death.
QUOTE (BensonFanatic @ Jan 12 2007, 12:18 AM)
I've seen eppy's where they'll talk about the statistics of the recidisizm (sp?) of how likely rapists are to rape agian, and also that rape/sexual assault vic's are however many more times likely to be assaulted again. That is somewhat common knowledge. But what my question is, is that during an eppy, (pls don't ask what one, or what season, even what happens...i dunno. I tuned in late.) they were talking about how vic's of abuse (sexual) when they were children are so many more times likely to repeat the cycle.
I'd like to know that number, but on top of that, i would like you all to explain something to me. I really don't understand how someone who went through something that horrific, can turn around and do the same to someone else. Especially a child. (as was what happened in an eppy) If you know how much it hurt, and how much YOU didn't like it, then why on Earth would you turn around and inflict that same pain on someone else, especially a loved one?
Also, WHY is it that vic's of rape/sexual assault are so many more times likely to be assaulted agian? I think Danni brought this up in an eppy, but is it the way they act? (I'm in NO WAY WHATSOEVER saying that it's their fault)
What i mean by the way they act, is that if they were to act withdrawn, maybe someone would think that they could take advantage of them easier than someone who makes it a point to say "no".
Thanks in advance!
I'd like to know that number, but on top of that, i would like you all to explain something to me. I really don't understand how someone who went through something that horrific, can turn around and do the same to someone else. Especially a child. (as was what happened in an eppy) If you know how much it hurt, and how much YOU didn't like it, then why on Earth would you turn around and inflict that same pain on someone else, especially a loved one?
Also, WHY is it that vic's of rape/sexual assault are so many more times likely to be assaulted agian? I think Danni brought this up in an eppy, but is it the way they act? (I'm in NO WAY WHATSOEVER saying that it's their fault)
What i mean by the way they act, is that if they were to act withdrawn, maybe someone would think that they could take advantage of them easier than someone who makes it a point to say "no".
Thanks in advance!
well what i think:
rapist are likely to assult agian
it would be a big cowincidence( i know spelled wrong) if some one that was rapped got rapped agian
75% that the person that was assulted becomes a sex offender.
also comment: for some reason the year of 06 has made me really really really emotional...i guess since im older it hits me now......idk why i guess what i've gone through which really isnt a big deal to me i find it normal.....but idk......when i go to boulevard east i start to cry time square i cry any beautiful view i cry, a puppy i cry.............im just an emotional wreck......lolz!
QUOTE (ViVi @ Jan 16 2007, 10:50 PM)
it would be a big cowincidence( i know spelled wrong) if some one that was rapped got rapped agian
it happened to my sister
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