The quotes have gone wacky here.

I did see some of the different looks as the credits rolled at the end of the movie. I just don't see it as a movie I would be interested in. I am not much of a biography movie person. Haven't figured out why.

From all that I've ever read and seen on VDO. I'm confident that he is completely straight. He is an open minded person that is willing to stretch himself for his craft and maybe send a message. If you watch carefully you will see, even tho it looks real, that he is acting.

It occurs to me that VDO is privately bisexual, which doesn't bother me in the least. In fact it makes him all the more fascinating and attractive.

Am I alone here?

I also agree about that kiss. Everyone loves the kiss from TWWW, I do too, but this kiss was a whole love story and porn flick compressed into les than 2 minutes.

I thought the kiss was passionate, sexy, and romantic. I don't see what makes it pornographic.

But VDO as Valentino manages something I haven't seen in films: convincing androgyny. With the long hair and make-up and his large, powerful body, he's both male and female in a completely charismatic way.

Thomas Jane as Gary is the cliche, swaggering, hyper-masculine gay man. Salma Hayek as Mary Carmen is the stereotypical foul-mouthed, ball-of-fire, Latina chica.

I thought the kiss was passionate, sexy, and romantic. I don't see what makes it pornographic.

On second viewing what strikes me about TVOG is that it's completely populated with two dimensional cardboard cutouts -- except for VDO's character.

Thomas Jane as Gary is the cliche, swaggering, hyper-masculine gay man. Salma Hayek as Mary Carmen is the stereotypical foul-mouthed, ball-of-fire, Latina chica. But VDO as Valentino manages something I haven't seen in films: convincing androgyny. With the long hair and make-up and his large, powerful body, he's both male and female in a completely charismatic way.

Does anybody remember the so-called famous "leather photos" that VDO posed for early in his career (around the time of "Guy")? This was a period when -- off-screen -- he wore eye make-up and vogued like a gay guy in publicity pictures. I think this was a very experimental time for him as an artist. He lived in Germany, I believe, which is where he filmed "Hotel Paradise." I'm thinking maybe he experimented with bisexuality too. Actors I know are always looking to expand their range of experiences, and VDO is a very dedicated method actor.

Of course none of us can be sure of anything about his personal life that he doesn't want to reveal. Sexuality is a continuum and most people track somewhere along the line from gay to straight.

Does anyone know where I can get copies of the leather photos? I haven't been able to find them online.

Hmm... I think I both agree and disagree with you... LOL

I agree about the editing especially, and a lot of the directing to. I forgive the film it's many flaws because I see it as experimental. I like to see artists stretch and maybe fail a little as they try for something fresh. This film had plenty of both of those extremes, and in the end was only marginally successful... but I liked the effort.

I also agree about that kiss. Everyone loves the kiss from TWWW, I do too, but this kiss was a whole love story and porn flick compressed into les than 2 minutes. Just.... damn. Everyone hates Mary Carmen, but I don't. She's shrill and selfish and immature... but she is passionate and fun-loving and a force of nature. She represents one side of Valentino's passion for life as Gary represents the other.

The thing I never hear anyone talk about is how this magnetic passionate man made this random collection of people into a family so completely that it survived after him, almost against their will. Have you ever known anyone like that... someone so special that obsession almost seems like the natural reaction to his presence? He's the guy you couldn't help yourself but do anything for, and feel grateful that he turned his attention in your direction for just a little while.

As for VDO being bisexual, I've never heard or seen anything outside of a couple of roles to suggest this. It think he's just that good an actor. I mean. I seriously couldn't care less and agree that it would only make him more fascinating.. but I don't buy it.

I have a question for you guys. I apologize if this has already been asked but 110 pages was a lil more than I could go through....too distracted by the pics of Vince in the other threads...lol. Anyway, does anyone know how I could get my hands on Sherlock? I know it was a made for TV movie, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Any help would be appreciated!

I thought the kiss was passionate, sexy, and romantic. I don't see what makes it pornographic.

On second viewing what strikes me about TVOG is that it's completely populated with two dimensional cardboard cutouts -- except for VDO's character.

Thomas Jane as Gary is the cliche, swaggering, hyper-masculine gay man. Salma Hayek as Mary Carmen is the stereotypical foul-mouthed, ball-of-fire, Latina chica. But VDO as Valentino manages something I haven't seen in films: convincing androgyny. With the long hair and make-up and his large, powerful body, he's both male and female in a completely charismatic way.
Chimera: Somehow he conveyed that his sexuality was a banquet he offered up to nourish his family. Without any coyness or predation. He was what he was, an embodiment of the physical expression of life.
Does anybody remember the so-called famous "leather photos" that VDO posed for early in his career (around the time of "Guy")? This was a period when -- off-screen -- he wore eye make-up and vogued like a gay guy in publicity pictures. I think this was a very experimental time for him as an artist. He lived in Germany, I believe, which is where he filmed "Hotel Paradise." I'm thinking maybe he experimented with bisexuality too. Actors I know are always looking to expand their range of experiences, and VDO is a very dedicated method actor.

Of course none of us can be sure of anything about his personal life that he doesn't want to reveal. Sexuality is a continuum and most people track somewhere along the line from gay to straight.
Chimera: I paid a psychiatrist a wad of money for that same information.

Does anyone know where I can get copies of the leather photos? I haven't been able to find them online.

Renfrew: What do you mean he's not a giant outerspace cockroach? That's like saying what's his name isn't a real fly.






Chimera: He's got the early Eddie Izzard thing going on here. Never noticed the
eye make up before. Ha ha, love it. Wouldn't this be called emo now? Gosh,
I could just nibble him up. It must suck to have every detail you ever let slip in
public permanently displayed on the web, as much as I appreciate it. No wonder
he's reluctant to do interviews now. Wonderful, talented, mysterious actor. May
he be granted good health and the love of his career and family harmony for
many, many years to come.

I've seen the pictures from this photo shoot before and it always looked to me like he was playing dress up for the shoot, experimenting with another character, not that this was a regular look for him. Aside from not seeing anything even remotely like it anywhere else, I thought the shoes gave it away... way too conservative for Mr. Artsy-Leather-Pants-Frosted-Hair-Eye-Makeup Guy.

Have you ever seen that weird photo shoot where he posed as different dead bodies all over Los Angeles? The man liked playing with odd experiments.

I also love the kiss from TWWW, but I agree about the kiss in TVOG. I have to admit that watching same gender kissing on TV or in movies has always made me uncomfortable. Until now. That is absolutely the hottest kiss I've ever seen! I like the "whole love story and porn flick compressed into less than 2 minutes." EXACTLY!

The first time I watched it, when it came to that part I FREAKED and jumped up to lock my bedroom door so my daughter wouldn't walk in on it. Then later when I told her about that she laughed at me and said, "It's just two guys kissing. Like I don't see that every day at school!" Later she asked if she could watch the movie and I said yes. But she hasn't yet.

I also agree about Mary Carmen. She could be so completely annoying in one scene, then completely vulnerable in the next. One of my favorite moments from the movie was when she took her shirt off and climbed into the hospital bed with Valentino, and just held him. One of the sweetest moments I've ever seen.

no i havent seen those pics but id like to cos i thought i had every picture saved ( wow i AM pathtic) to my computer ........

I've seen the pictures from this photo shoot before and it always looked to me like he was playing dress up for the shoot, experimenting with another character, not that this was a regular look for him. Aside from not seeing anything even remotely like it anywhere else, I thought the shoes gave it away... way too conservative for Mr. Artsy-Leather-Pants-Frosted-Hair-Eye-Makeup Guy.

Have you ever seen that weird photo shoot where he posed as different dead bodies all over Los Angeles? The man liked playing with odd experiments.

I just reserved "The Narrows" on Netflix. They didn't have a release date for it yet, but you are able to go ahead and reserve it.

BRAVO showed JFK this morning at 10, but in case you missed it, they will repeat it on Monday, October 27 at 10 am (Vincent plays Bill Newman). TBS is also going to show The Break-Up on Friday, November 14, and I think on Saturday and Sunday, as well (where Vincent plays Dennis Grobowski) : )

Also, I'd like to know if there is/ever was a thread for discussing VDO's movies. I've only been a member for 2 months so I may have missed it somewhere but I'd really enjoy some conversation at least about those movies I've viewed so far. Anyone else interested?

I did find my pain threshold when it comes to VDO movies, and it was JFK. Three hours of conspiracy theory for 20 seconds of VDO just is not worth it for me!

I agree, ciaddict... I don't think I could sit through that one again. Luckily for us, Vincent's 20 seconds shows up in the first 10 minutes of the film. I turned this on, watched that little bit, then changed the channel.

And he is billed in Malcolm X as the same person. I know that they used footage from JFK of the assassination, so that must be where VDO is. But I have watched Malcolm X several times, and slowed it down for that footage, and I still don't see even a glimpse of VDO. Not even the 20 seconds he was alloted in JFK.

I have to admit it's a very good 20 seconds. As always, VDO is convincing--holding a kid while telling what he saw to TV reporter.

And he is billed in Malcolm X as the same person. I know that they used footage from JFK of the assassination, so that must be where VDO is. But I have watched Malcolm X several times, and slowed it down for that footage, and I still don't see even a glimpse of VDO. Not even the 20 seconds he was alloted in JFK.

Only 20 seconds? Haha, thanks for the information. I wanted to tape his small part, does anyone know exactly when Vincent appears? Like what parts are before him or what time. I don't want to or have room to tape the beginning of JFK even if it's only 10 minutes : )

I'm not sure exactly, but he plays an eyewitness to the shooting on TV. You want to start taping when you see Kevin Costner's character go into a big room (a bar or restaurant I think) where a bunch of people are all watching the news before they know for sure that Kennedy is dead.

hmmmm what do you think about this?

Is this VDO and Captain Ross? lol.Cadillac Records

JudyG sent me a copy of HLOTS: The Subway. I watched it earlier this week, and WOW what a brilliantly concieved and executed story. I was captivated watching VDO and Andre Braugher together. And the whole bit with Sarah, his girlfriend, was really sad......I wasn't in tears, but I was frozen in place watching it.....That couldn't have been easy to film, either.

Thanks, Judy!!!!

AS a nurse, I was offended how he treated the EMT in HLOTs, lol.

I think the stress of the inevitability of his situation makes his behavior inderstandable, but I sure wouldn't have wanted to be the one to have to deal with it .

The episode on HLOTS is a favored performance of mine - it is so well done by both D'Onofrio and Braugher, while not being a favorite episode to sit and watch.

I think the stress of the inevitability of his situation makes his behavior inderstandable, but I sure wouldn't have wanted to be the one to have to deal with it .

The episode on HLOTS is a favored performance of mine - it is so well done by both D'Onofrio and Braugher, while not being a favorite episode to sit and watch.

Exactly!

Yeah, the character of John Lange is not one of my favorites, but the fact that I wanted to slap VDO's face for acting that way to everybody just shows you how good a job he did with that part. I think VDO made it very easy for the EMT to react towards "John" the way she did. I'd've been mad at him, too! lol

AS a nurse, I was offended how he treated the EMT in HLOTs, lol.

I loved when the EMT told him it would take 5 minutes to get him to the hospital once they got him out and he told Pembleton that if it took one minute longer to take her out in the street and shoot her. And Pembleton said, "OK". Cracks me up every time.

But then every time I watch it, I want to yell at Meldrick and Falsone to stop yakking and FIND HIS GIRLFRIEND!

I think I need to watch it again. And then the very next episode is just as emotional, with our own Kathryn Erbe as a woman dying of AIDS. That one is called "All is Bright". Another must see performance!

JudyG sent me a copy of HLOTS: The Subway. I watched it earlier this week, and WOW what a brilliantly concieved and executed story. I was captivated watching VDO and Andre Braugher together. And the whole bit with Sarah, his girlfriend, was really sad......I wasn't in tears, but I was frozen in place watching it.....That couldn't have been easy to film, either.

Thanks, Judy!!!!