zipity
Sep 14 2006, 12:52 PM
I have been thinking about this theory for a while and I believe I have worked out the bugs so I thought I would post it and would like to see what people think so please feel free to tell me what you think… I know it sounds crazy but bare with me.
I was thinking at first that neither Shawn nor Kyle were supposed to be abducted that night but now I am starting to lean toward the fact that Shawn was the ONLY one to be abducted. I think that maybe the future are only able to “touch down” once when the situation presents itself, when an abduction has taken place the “worm hole” closes as the person is being transferred so they had to “down load” Kyle first… I think their intention was to “download” their conduit into Kyle and leave him on the beach, they wanted him there to be able to talk with Tom and give him a first hand account of what happened and be able to help verify what was being said by the conduit. When Shawn interrupted the download process it caused Kyle’s body to go into shock and because the process had not finished it resulted in the coma and the severe disorientation when he woke up. The download ray automatically switched over to “beam me up” ray and scooped up Shawn closing off the connection and leaving Kyle in the coma on the ground. So Kyle was supposed to stay and Shawn was supposed to go, but he was not supposed to be in a coma, so it is good that they abducted Shawn as well because his healing ability was just what they needed to help get things back on track with Kyle
rapierguy
Sep 14 2006, 02:29 PM
According to the Season finale of Season 1 "White Lite" The guy who had possession of Kyle said that Kyle WAS supposed to be taken to be teh voice box for TPFTF to Tom since Tom was supposed to have been chosen to help the 4400. Shawn just happened to be taken instead when hhe went to help Kyle when Kyle yelled out for help.
So Yes Kyle not Shawn was supposed to be taken.
And of course the rest is history so the saying goes
Kia
Sep 14 2006, 03:37 PM
I don´t think that Shawn was taken by accident. Curious how the PFTF knew which people they must take, and knew they will survive the promicin. Makes you think that in an alternative future these exact people did take the promicin, survived and had all those exact abilities the PFTF needed. So if Kyle was intended to be taken you could bet he´ll live to develope a new, highly useful and important ability. Comunicate directly with the PFTF?
slp24
Sep 14 2006, 08:46 PM
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I don´t think that Shawn was taken by accident. Curious how the PFTF knew which people they must take, and knew they will survive the promicin. Makes you think that in an alternative future these exact people did take the promicin, survived and had all those exact abilities the PFTF needed. So if Kyle was intended to be taken you could bet he´ll live to develope a new, highly useful and important ability. Comunicate directly with the PFTF?
We don't know for sure that these were the only ones taken. There may have been more that died. However, I do find your theory that they know who will survive the promicin plausible. Not too long ago doctors discovered you could take blood from one person and transfuse to another. The problem was that alot of people died from the transfusions. Why? Because they did not know about blood types. They would just transfuse the blood and hope for the best. Then in 1901 some dude figured out there are different blood types and well the rest is history. Tpftf very well could know who can tolerate the promicin by something in their blood or genes or something and maybe they only took those they knew would survive.
zipity
Sep 15 2006, 12:48 AM
I am not doubting you rapierguy, I hadn't watched that episode. I have read the transcripts and I realize they could have errors but it does not say that Kyle was supposed to be taken. Nor does it say that Shawn was an accident here is a copy of the parts of the conversation involving these two "incedents" according to the transcripts...
TOM: You're not my son, are you? ALTER KYLE: No. Kyle was meant to be a channel, a way to communicate. TOM: Communicate with who? ALTER KYLE: With you. To guide you in your dealings with the returnees. But something went wrong. Shawn interrupted the process. TOM: That's what put him in a coma. He was like that for three years, because of you.
TOM: Is that where you took them? My nephew and all the others? ALTER KYLE: Only those we took could prevent the catastrophe from happening. That's why they've been altered and seeded back into the timeline.
I was basing my theory on the transcripts due to the fact that I had not seen the episode, perhaps if they said that it was simply accidently omitted from the transcripts?
Kia
Sep 16 2006, 05:45 PM
Your transcripts are quite right, zipity. I´ve rewatched 1st season final and in any moment they said Kyle (or Shawn)was meant to be taken. Nor the opposite. So we are left free to breed wild theories about it And why they had to do it when there were the two of them if they could get to Kyle at any moment when he´s on his own Fishy, very fishy... By the way, you should see the 1st season, zipity, it was awsome.
zipity
Sep 17 2006, 08:40 PM
I want to see the first season just haven't gotten the chance, thanks for checking that thou, I appreciate it! I didn't think the transcripts would be that far off but you never know...
I wonder if there has to be certain "environmental" requirments, or some kind, for them to take people. And the best chance they had was when the both of them were together? Or for the download process to work properly it was best for him to be intoxicated? It's best to try it when there is only one other person there rather than during a party with a lot of people. It does seem odd they would do it while he was not alone, the only other idea I have is that they wanted Kyle to be able to witness Shawn's abduction and they just didn't expect Shawn to do anything, I really have no idea though! I really liked the idea of neither of them being meant to be taken, but that did leave some questions, Oh, well...
What do you think?
Thogek
Sep 18 2006, 01:29 AM
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And why they had to do it when there were the two of them if they could get to Kyle at any moment when he´s on his own Fishy, very fishy...
This is the part about this particular abduction that bugs me, too. All other known abductions, unless I'm missing some, were of single individuals who were very much alone (and their abductions thus very unobservable) at the time. So why did the PFTF attempt to grab Kyle and/or Shawn while the two were together?
Did some PFTF operative just screw that one up? ("Oops. Sorry. I was aiming for an alone moment later that night.") Or did the PFTF plan it that way, anticipating what followed? Given Shawn's definite role in things after the Return, I have trouble thinking that Shawn's abduction and ability were accidents...
I don't have a good answer for that one, as yet, just the annoying question...
Kia
Sep 19 2006, 06:03 PM
A quote from Shawn´s character profile:
"The future didn't want Shawn Farrell (Patrick Flueger) but when he blocked his cousin Kyle's abduction, Shawn was taken instead."
I found it while I was looking for "your" quote,zipity
zipity
Sep 19 2006, 10:24 PM
Interesting, thankyou for the info Kia! By the way you are sniffing in the wrong direction for the quote, your getting colder, when your ready I will give you a slightly more helpfull hint! Now am I being too mean? seriously let me now and I will give you some slack, I don't want to be too much like the real Master Mind and end up driving people to the looney bin ya know!
Thogek
Sep 20 2006, 01:04 AM
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A quote from Shawn´s character profile:
"The future didn't want Shawn Farrell (Patrick Flueger) but when he blocked his cousin Kyle's abduction, Shawn was taken instead."
Question: Does this statement reflect the actual intentions of the PFTF, or just what we-the-viewers have seen and might thereby assume?
zipity
Sep 20 2006, 02:22 PM
Good question Thogek, that could be true! Their profiler quiz on the home page is supposed to tell you what your ability would be if you were abducted and it says "There abilities may have been based on their distinct personality" Which would indicate that is not neccessarily true... The same rule could possibly apply to the character profile as well.
the4400grl
Sep 21 2006, 01:29 PM
Good theory zipity! Glad to see you started a post on this. There are definitely a few strange circumstances to what happened on Highland Beach when Shawn as abducted and Kyle was put into a coma. Kia and Thogek had a good point about the PFTF choosing that time to download/abduct Kyle. It doesn't make sense unless they also wanted to take Shawn. I feel like Shawn was meant to be abducted because of his immense roll so far with the 4400. If Shawn hadn't been abducted, would there have been a different healer? Because that seems like an ability that would definitly have an impact on the future. Shawn could have saved the lives of future inventors or scientists who would have died instead.
I think there is a possibility that Kyle was never meant to be taken and just to have the future entity (or whatever it is) be downloaded into him. There are a few things that has been bothering me though, 1)if Shawn was meant to be taken and Kyle wasn't, why did they go after Kyle first? it would have been easier to take Shawn then download the stuff into Kyle. 2)The highland beach incident was in 1999, but the 4400 returned in 2001. If Kyle hadn't meant to be taken, and if the download had gone correctly he would have had to wait for 3 years before he could really explain to Tom what was going to happen. Tom certainly wouldn't have believed Kyle in 1999 if he talked about the 'castrophe' and people coming back in a ball of light.
I may not have thought through everything very carefully, but I just wanted to post my opinion.
ausbelle
Sep 22 2006, 05:13 AM
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There abilities may have been based on their distinct personality"
Thats what I've always thought, Shawn the healer does kinda have a knight in shining armour complex (eg. with liv) and maia being the inquisitive child always wanting to know more it makes sense that she'd get precognition. But then what would the girl with the light coming out of her hand's personality be to get that power.
I wonder if any future people hitched a ride in the ball of light pretending to be a 4400. HMM sorry off topic.
zipity
Sep 22 2006, 08:06 AM
Thank you 4400grl, I appreciate the compliments. Shawn has played an important role in my opinion as well, and I suppose another healer could have been picked up but I don't know that any two people could have the exact same healing ability ya know? If abilities are based on personalities then those with the same general personality would have similar abilities but each one has their own quirks which would cause the variation in the "same" ability. Does that make sense?
I will try to answer your questions with out being too confusing!
OK, "if Shawn was meant to be taken and Kyle wasn't, why did they go after Kyle first? It would have been easier to take Shawn then download the stuff into Kyle"
I agree that it would have been easier to take Shawn first but we don't know how there technology works either. I am thinking that maybe they only have the "access" to a specific time once. I have never seen where they have had two abductions back to back, so I am wondering if they are only able to "touch down" once during an undetermined amount of time (months?, days?, hours?) So if they were only able to "touchdown" once during the time frame that they were both there then they would have to handle them both at the same time, I also think that maybe when an abduction takes place it is as if the person is being sucked into a portal, kinda like a vacuum, as that person is sucked through the portal it closes up behind them preventing them from "falling" back into their time. Are you still with me here, I know it’s complicated. Anyway, if the portal closes as someone is abducted then they would not be able to abduct Shawn and then go right back and download Kyle. So they had to download Kyle first, so that the portal would remain open and then they could abduct Shawn which would cause the portal to close.
"The highland beach incident was in 1999, but the 4400 returned in 2001. If Kyle hadn't meant to be taken and if the download had gone correctly he would have had to wait for 3 years before he could really explain to Tom what was going to happen. Tom certainly wouldn't have believed Kyle in 1999 if he talked about the 'catastrophe' and people coming back in a ball of light"
Very good question, after the disappearance of Shawn Kyle would be asked a lot of questions! How would you explain that you saw your cousin got sucked up by a beam of light? I think that their would be some serious doubts but if Kyle took Tom to the beach and then the conduit made contact with Tom then he would probably be more inclined to listen to Kyle and believe what he said! Remember in season one when the conduit talked to him they were standing in a "spot light" and the time of day changed? I think. I believe it would happen the same way and an experience like that would be hard to discount. It would also have given Tom time to prepare. OR Kyle may have still been rendered "temporarily" unconscious after the event, maybe until someone found him? In the process the entity could suppress his memory of the event, making the doctors think that Kyle just has momentary amnesia (can’t remember what its called) about what happened that night and as the time of their return approached it would become active and the conduit would let Tom Know what was going on, and Kyle would give him a first hand account of what he saw as well when his memory was released. But until the right time approached he would have been able to live out his life normally except for the “unexplained” disappearance of Shawn.
I hope that all makes sense. If you let me know I will try to find a better way to explain it, it seems like my thoughts tend to jumble up in my brain and come out all at once when I type!
zipity
Sep 22 2006, 11:26 AM
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Maia being the inquisitive child always wanting to know more it makes sense that she'd get precognition. But then what would the girl with the light coming out of her hand's personality be to get that power.
I wonder if any future people hitched a ride in the ball of light pretending to be a 4400. HMM sorry off topic.
Very good observation on Maia!
You know I wouldn't be surprized if their were some PFTF mixed in with the 4400 but would they not of caught onto that when they catorgarized everyone? Of course they didn't know about Mayuya being a war criminal either..... It would make things more interesting if we were to find out that there have been future people here the whole time afterall! It might explain some of the other things going on, with Ryland and Mstthew too!
zippylittlerat
Sep 22 2006, 02:47 PM
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There abilities may have been based on their distinct personality"
But then what would the girl with the light coming out of her hand's personality be to get that power.
Maybe she has the kind of personality that brightens people's days.
ausbelle
Sep 23 2006, 01:12 AM
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Maybe she has the kind of personality that brightens people's days
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but would they not of caught onto that when they catorgarized everyone?
Not necessarily they could just make up identities (or steal others), if they say they're from the 40's or 50's it wouldn't be strange to not find any 'proof' of their existance as everyone they would have know would probably be dead plus records tend to go missing after 60 years, if they exist at all. They might not know where they're from either they could have had false memories implanted in their head (although thats unlikely).
zipity
Sep 23 2006, 03:36 AM
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Not necessarily they could just make up identities (or steal others), if they say they're from the 40's or 50's it wouldn't be strange to not find any 'proof' of their existance as everyone they would have know would probably be dead plus records tend to go missing after 60 years, if they exist at all. They might not know where they're from either they could have had false memories implanted in their head (although thats unlikely).
I thought about something along those lines after I posted it, which is why I mentioned Mayuya, if the method would have been strong enough to catch someone that wasn't from the past then how did they let a war criminal from the past slip threw their fingures... But again I could deffinately see that happening, good theory there!
ula
Sep 23 2006, 04:30 AM
Great Topic Zip! Love the conduit explanation about the way the Bight Light sucks them up!
Was Mayuya the Serial Killer who sets the actions of Ryland's inhibitor in motion?
Love the idea that there might be stow aways inside the Ball of Light too!
Maybe Ben is one of them?
Could we have a "Somewhere in Time" story line here (like in the movie where Christopher Reeves goes back in time after he falls in love with an image of Jane Seymour from the early 1900's)?
That would be sooooooo sad if at the end of the story everyone gets returned back to the right time again (which means Diana might lose BOTH Ben & Maia?
Maybe the lady with the light in her hand just likes reading in bed which bugs her hubby cas of the light she uses? Or if the machines break down during the catastrophe, then that light in her hand might come in handy for that reason (esp for doing emergency surgery in the middle of the night)?
Also LOVE the stolen ID idea too!
zipity
Sep 23 2006, 07:50 AM
Thank you ula I appreciate that you like my theory!
Knox was the seriel killer, they could never prove it until he had continued his killings after his return. Mayuya was the guy who could heal babies, he was in Rwanada? at the time of his abduction and their was a situation that occured just before he was abducted that caused him to be a war criminal.
It is interesting to think that all the 4400 weren't really taken isn't it!
I don't think Ben would be one of them because Diana would have recognised him, in my opinion, her job is the 4400 and she was there during their "filing" and categorizing so I think she would have at least faint memory of him.
I don't think I have seen that movie, but I don't think they would replace them back into their original times without the possibility of them tampering with the progress they made (especially sense some of them were ubducted as recent as 18 months to the return ad could potentially run in to themself!) and possibly canceling some of the actions out, my hope is that they will let them continue there lives in the current time now that they have finally begun to re-establish their lives. I would hate to think that they would reabduct them and place them on a shelf somewhere in the future or end up making them start their lives all over again in the future. But who knows....
Interesting thoughts about the lady with the lights in her hands. Maybe she has the personality that always cheers people up and looks on the "light"-er side of life and aways "light"-ens the mood! Hard to say I think it is easier to figure it out when we actually see their personality, or atleast a glimpse of it. We have seen Maia's personality and know that she is a very wise young girl (remember when Diana told her to stop acting like the adult?) she is observent and inquisitive of the things around her so Precognition is perfect for her! But if all we knew is that she was a young child with a precog ability we would never make the right connection. But it is fun to guess!
ula
Sep 23 2006, 10:07 PM
Yes it is fun to think not all of the 4400 were abductees! You're probably also right about Ben, unless he's grown that beard as a way to disquise his former appearance & maybe even changed his name? Didn't Diana & Tom also give Gary & Alanna a new set of ID's when they ran away to Canada? Or perhaps Ben figures enough time has lapsed (3 yrs) that he's hoping Diana will no longer recognize him anymore?
Or maybe even a few characters (stow aways) were inside of that Big Ball of Light who slipped away before all of the 4400 were gathered up by Ryland & put into quarantein? If someone like Ben also had an ability to change his appearances (like Boyd becomes Tom in Being Tom Bladwin) or Ben could even become invisible -- then Ryland & his boys might have also overlooked a few arrivals?
Good point about the more recent returnees that were only missing for 18mos. What I'm thinking is maybe the 4400 mission is to try to correct something that went wrong & once that mission is acccomplished, then time will AUTOMATICALLY revert back to the way it use to be again at the very end of the show again (minus whatever it is that leads up to the catastrophe this time) ?
Over on my other 4400 Burning Thoughts & Questions topic I've also put forth the idea that Maia may be an OLD SOUL. So please check it out & let me know what you think.
Still another thing that mystifies me is WHY doesn't anybody AGE?
What exactly did do they do to keep Maia from being a 70 yr old woman, the way she's chronologically suppose to be now at the present time?
Thogek
Sep 23 2006, 11:11 PM
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What exactly did do they do to keep Maia from being a 70 yr old woman, the way she's chronologically suppose to be now at the present time?
I'm not so sure that they needed to do anything.
We don't really know how long the 4400 Project took, as measured by those performing it in the future time. How long does it take to reach back to 4400 past points in time, grab and bring to the present one person from each, modify each Abductee to produce promycin, and then return them all to one past point in time? Assuming that they had a large team to perform the project and whatever technology/equipment was necessary, the whole 4400 Project execution might very well have fit inside of a week or two.
In this case, Maia (for example), would have been:
[*]transferred from 3/3/46 (at an age of 8 years and a week) to the future time of the 4400 Project;
[*]kept then/there for perhaps two weeks (at the end of which she is now 8 years and three weeks old);
[*]transferred from then to 7/11/2004, at an age of 8 years and three weeks.
[/list]At this point, she is objectively 66 years and four and a half months old (as that is the elapsed calendar time between her birth and the present time), but she is subjectively 8 years and three weeks old (because that is much time she has actually lived). The difference between those two measurements (about 58 years) is due to her having effectively hopped over that segment of the timeline.
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"I hate temporal mechanics." --Miles O'Brien
ula
Sep 23 2006, 11:24 PM
You:
I'm not so sure that they needed to do anything.
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Yes. This is the point! Are they doing it themselves or is it happening automatically, the same way as everthing related to Maia vanished from Diana's time?
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We don't really know how long the 4400 Project took
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Me:
True! But since Issy also has powers (like the 4400) and she's grown up into an adult instantly, and her mother also grew old instantly, how do we know at some point in time the same type of thing won't also happen to these others?
What if the promicin itself does this to them? Since Issy has more powers than the others, perhaps thats the reason why she & her mother prematurely aged now rather than later on?
But at some point in Time maybe everyone who's been Enhanced will also age prematurely (or at least catch back up with their DOB or their proper chronological age) as well?
We really don't know what this promicin might do to people do we?
Three years is not really a very long time to have studied the effects of it long term. Is it?
The NIH or the CDC would never have approved this stuff, or let it be sold at our local pharmacy after only a 3 year study. Would they?
Maybe the only reason why it hasn't already happened to them yet is due to Ryland's Inhibitor?
And maybe this is also the reason why some of them will have to be placed back into their own times again after their 4400 mission is over?
zippylittlerat
Sep 24 2006, 10:35 AM
I think Thogek is right! All they did was grab her, alter her, and put her back! For us it seemed like 60 years, but all they did was place her in a different time. Ever hear of the Chronicles of Narnia? The kids probably only aged an hour (if that) while they spent years in Narnia! Sort of the same concept cuz no time had passed in their world. No brain switching involved!
zipity
Sep 24 2006, 09:11 PM
ula, I think maybe that Isabelle was engineered by someone in the future from the "anti4400" faction and planted in Lilly I think the reason Isabelle aged was because the people who created her "programmed" to age. Lilly was originally planned to be in season 3 but she went to another show so they had to improvise. I think they were trying to make it out like the person that planted Isabelle somehow connected their aging causes to one another which would cause Lilly to age along side of her resulting in her demise. I think their situation is very unique and is an altered situation that will not happen to anyone else one time deal. Thats the way I see it and well I guess that's all I got to say about that.
Thogek you explained that very well, and I agree with you on that they did not grow throu time they were jumped throu time so they did not age. Makes sense to me.
Elessar
Sep 24 2006, 09:28 PM
I tend to agree with zipity, here. I think Isabelle and Lily were a special circumstance and the others will stay the age that they are. I also think Thogek was right as to why they didn't age.
ula
Sep 25 2006, 11:32 PM
zipity
If Issy is the result of an Enhanced mother having an Enhanced child, and all mothers of Enhanced kids die in the Future Time, that could also lead to the catastrophe. Right?
Other 4400's may have also had kids as well during the last 3 yrs, but they may also not have had the Starlz Mutation (which Lily's family may have)? Lily'S doctor also said something about Issy having Sickle cell as well?
Whatever the case may be, the PHD shares your Issy was pre-programed view, and I also have still another idea too.
Here's it is:
What IF those NUKES they shoot at the BIG BALL of Light screws things up somehow? What if those NUKES somehow prevent the 4400 from being returned back to the right times again?
If that's what happened, then maybe (once again) Ryland's made still another BIG MESS of things (same way as he did with his INHIBITOR Injections)?
Maybe if all those NUKES weren't shot at the 4400 (before they even landed), then Issy (and Lily) would also have ended up in some other time -- rather than here in this one?
zipity
Sep 27 2006, 02:49 PM
I am sure that TPFTF would have realized that the present people would try to destroy what appeared to be a comet coming in for a devestating crash landing. I think the point in the bubble was to protect them from any such thing. the reason it came from space was because they were sent back in a manner much like that we see of Superman going back in time to save Lois in the original movie.
I still think that Isabelle is a special case in any situation, Lilly was not pregnant when she was abducted and she hadn't done anything when she got back so it had to have happened while she was in the future so she must have been engineered somehow and everything about her is "special". I don't think that any of the returnees having a baby by todays means would end up with any of the oddities that has happened with Isabelle. I don't think that the starzl mutation would have anything to do with it either, IF that is in her family.
zippylittlerat
Sep 27 2006, 02:57 PM
Lily always could have the Starzl mutation, but I think it's more likely that Issy was just a special little gift. I wonder, though, if Isabelle had anything to do with Lily's lack of abilities. You could say Lily had the gift of empathy, but you don't need promicin for that anyway.
Elessar
Sep 27 2006, 03:55 PM
Richard was just getting his ability at the very end of season two. I think if Lily had lived she would have developed an ability.
zipity
Sep 27 2006, 03:58 PM
Thats right Elessar! I remember reading somewhere that the writers were planning on giving her an ability during this season but sense she left the show they had to kill her off instead
ula
Sep 27 2006, 07:46 PM
zipity
I agree they'd have been protected, but what I'm suggesting is maybe so many of them may have affected them TIMEWISE (such as the same way as you suggest Kyle's drinking might be afffecting him & allowing the Black Outs to happen). Or the way Alana's affected by Ryland's INHIBITOR (so that she wakes up not KNOWING who Tom is anymore when she gets sick)? See what I mean?
Perhaps these 4400 weren't meant to be placed into the SAME TIME, but were suppose to be distributed back into SEVERAL OTHER Different Time Lines!
This would also help to explain the reason why the Future People would have sent them all back at ONE Time, to a time where they also shoulda known they'd be resented & rejected (due to the prejudice we harbor here in this time)?
Or perhaps something else went wrong (even before the NUKE attacks), and people from this time were NEVER meant to see the BIG BALL of Light returning at all?
Maybe the Brutal & Powerful Elite group (who resents them being sent back again), shot something else at them -- when they were still located in the Future Time -- which is the reason why ALL of the 4400 ACCIDENTLY got dumped -- All at Once -- here into this Time?
Otherwise, they may have origially all been seeded back into several other DIFFERENT TIME Periods again (such as Maia being back in 1846, & Lindsey being back into the time where she's adopted by the Goddard Family & she builds the Lunar Colonies)?
Wouldn't that make much more sense?
So maybe in addition to Ryland, the ELITE group also did something to screw things up as well?
zipity
Sep 27 2006, 09:20 PM
Then why did they need to send someone with the knowledge of them to let him know what was going on? If they planned on using Kyle as a conduit all along then why did they need to download him with the conduit If their weren't going to be many there? Or if they were never going to see them enter the timeline?
ula
Sep 27 2006, 09:39 PM
Good Question! There would still have been some of the 4400 inserted into this time, but what I'm suggesting is others of them (like Maia & Lindsey) would have been put into other times.
The people from this time would also not know about it either (at least not the general public).
So the Entity as a Guide for Tom would still be necessary, but they also wouldn't have had such a hard time as they're having now if it had been done more secretly.
Then the Flower Lady who's Van is blown up might also still be here now.
See what I mean?
Things would have gone much more smoothly than they gone for the Returnees this way.
There'd have been no Quarantein, no Inhibitor, no Fanatic chasing after Lily & Richard in the woods, no need for the NOVA group, etc.
Does that help? Sound plausible to you?
zipity
Sep 27 2006, 09:58 PM
But what if those that died was part of an important ripple effect? We just haven't seen the effects yet, or we haven't realised it....
I don't think they are worried about making things easier on anyone! I see what your saying thou... Why couldn't they have just made clones instead of sending the real people? They seem to be advanced enough, but would they really have needed to send them all in the same ball to get them to different timelines? That seems a little crazy to me. If the oposing faction found them leaving for the past why didn't they just do something to prevent them from returning they could have "blown them up " when they landed or blew up the ball when it was departing from the future.
ula
Sep 27 2006, 10:04 PM
These are still more Great Questions, & I wish I knew the answers to them too! I also hope the writers will TELL US without ending the show leaving this a BIG MYSERY?!?
Meanwhile, do you have any thougts or ideas about how that BIG BALL of Light & the other stuff we've seen might work?
Elessar
Sep 27 2006, 10:09 PM
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These are still more Great Questions, & I wish I knew the answers to them too! I also hope the writers will TELL US
ULA, I think this is by far your shortest post!
ula
Sep 27 2006, 10:13 PM
It got longer. What happened was my little pinky finger slipped up while I was hitting the CAPS KEY & posted it before I was ready!
Besides I've also gotta get some groceries too! But maybe I'll come up with something later on. You never know! Right?
Elessar
Sep 27 2006, 10:19 PM
Watch out "Z" Brothers! ULA's gone to get brain food. Lord knows what interesting and problematic ideas he/she will come up with once they've eaten.
zipity
Sep 28 2006, 12:28 AM
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Watch out "Z" Brothers! ULA's gone to get brain food. Lord knows what interesting and problematic ideas he/she will come up with once they've eaten.
LOL Elessar, your a mess! I have to agree though it probably was the shortest post and still is! He/she is going to make my brain hurt somemore aren't they J/K
zipity
Sep 28 2006, 12:52 AM
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These are still more Great Questions, & I wish I knew the answers to them too! I also hope the writers will TELL US without ending the show leaving this a BIG MYSERY?!?
Meanwhile, do you have any thougts or ideas about how that BIG BALL of Light & the other stuff we've seen might work?
If nothing else perhaps with there series finale season DVD set they will have a commentary that explains these things, just for you!
Well, as I said before I think that the ball was something of a ship or bubble that was able to protect (and evedently condense) them from any outside force while it traveled back in time in a manner much like that of superman in the original movie when he saved Lois. The one like we see scoop up Alana in the season finale is more of a worm hole that would suck her up like a vaccuum and the "fingers" we saw are something like the actual bending of time perhaps?
But any way, off to bed I go so good night all!
zippylittlerat
Sep 28 2006, 02:15 AM
Oh boy, and I'm not ready! But why do you think they should've been scattered? The show makes it very clear that they were all to appear in one timeline.
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