the4400grl
Sep 3 2006, 10:25 PM
This may have been discussed earlier since Isabelle has been around for 2 seasons now, but I don't get how she was created. I understand that Lily was impregnated with Richard's sperm while they were abducted by the PFTF. But the thing I don't get is that Isabelle was sent by the evil PFTF to kill the 4400. The evil PFTF are different from the good PFTF who abducted the 4400 and sent them back to save humanity. So how did the evil PFTF get their hands on Lily and Richard?
rapierguy
Sep 4 2006, 04:22 AM
Best guess is the evil PFTF had people who were spies that infiltrated the good PFTF and managed to get themselves into a position to where they could artificially insiminate(sp?) Lily with a genetically altered embryo that had Lily's and Richard's Genes in it
rockingmule
Sep 4 2006, 09:45 AM
Or maybe it was evil PFTF who created the 4400, and good PFTF that seeded Isabelle. Then when Jordan died, the evil PFTF saw a chance to use Isabelle, so they grew her up real fast, took away Lily, and sent in Matthew. I don't think the 4400 ever had a specific mission-I think they were just meant to cause havoc by their very presence. People feared them from the beginning, before there was any kinda reason to fear them, just because they were different. All these different people just being alive in the world is already causing problems, because there are people like Ryland too stupid to accept anything different.
the4400grl
Sep 4 2006, 05:44 PM
interesting theory rocking. But it seems to me like the 4400 were definitley created for a purpose. It's even in the tag line: Returned for a purpose.
I wonder if they'll ever explain how the bad PFTF created Isabelle. It seems like the bad PFTF are more powerful than the PFTF who sent the 4400, so they probably had some spy or something like that make Isabelle. Although the problem with that is, if the bad PFTF knew about the 4400 before they were sent back, why not just stop the good PFTF then?
rockingmule
Sep 4 2006, 05:49 PM
Well, 4400grl, John Milton wrote "They also serve who only stand and wait." I agree the 4400 are here for a purpose-I just don't know if they are supposed to do anything specific. Come to that, none of them but Jordan HAVE done anything specific-they're as much in the dark as the rest of us about what they're supposed to do. Yet three years have gone by, and just by being around and trying to resume their lives, the government has gone crazy and numerous citizens have died. Maybe the purpose is being fulfilled already-the 4400 are already creating chaos. That's not their fault-I blame it on the people who created them.
mickeysfriend
Sep 4 2006, 06:34 PM
Possibly, I am returning to a simplistic view of the show from season 1. I was under the impression that the 4400’s abilities would come into play when needed to protect humankind. As Maia has told us, we are in for some sort of conflict that will change our world, as we know. At that point, the 4400’s will step up with their abilities specifically to help save the future of mankind. Since we now have season 4 coming our way, we will hopefully see some of that original storyline.
If you notice from the overview of season 1, it states: The 4400 were not abducted by aliens, but instead were taken by humans living hundreds of thousands of years in the future. Facing an end stage of human evolution and with a vested interest in the betterment of their predecessors, they have sent back The 4400 to play pivotal roles in upcoming events that will impact the future of mankind.
http://www.usanetwork.com/series/the4400/t...w/overview.html
the4400addict
Sep 5 2006, 07:06 PM
I thought that we did not know for sure that it was Richard's sperm that was taken to impregnate Lily, and create Izzy. If I am wrong on that please forgive me, but I am under the impression that it is not known if Izzy is Richard's biological child (PLEASE COMMENT if you can provide some clarity here). What we know about Izzy's birth is that the pregnancy was a shock to Lily, and she had no idea how she became pregnant. There was a blurb about the evil pftf when Maia was kidnapped, and Tom was told that some people in the future people's time didn't agree with what the pftf were trying to do with the 4400, and that Isabelle was their answer to the 4400. So Izzy may have been the "anti 4400" ; the hidden solution waiting to be birthed, and much more difficult for the pftf to stop. But maybe Richard is her real father.
the4400grl
Sep 5 2006, 10:19 PM
4400addict, you're right that we don't know for sure whether Richard is the biological father or not, we've just assumed that because Isabelle is half black. But we do know that Isabelle was not conceived before Lily was taken or after she returned, so she must have been conceived while Lily was in the future. It's just a mystery as how the other PFTF (aka not the PFTF who were responsible for the 4400) were able to impregnate Lily with (we're assuming) Richard's sperm. It would be really interesting if Richard wasn't really Isabelle's father, though.
yinzertorte
Sep 5 2006, 11:43 PM
At this point if NTAC or the 4400 center itself, in all of the test performed on Isabelle and the 4400, had not done a basic paternity test on her then that's just beyond ridiculous. My willful suspension of disbelief can only carry me so far. It might have occured off screen but there doesn't seem to be any doubt in Richard's mind that Isabelle is his daughter, plus when she returned as an adult they had to have done that test to verify it was indeed Isabelle and not some crazy woman pretending to be Richard's daughter.
As for Isabelle being made by the evil PFTF, I just don't buy it at this point. First off, we don't know which side is good or evil, but if Isabelle WAS made by the evil side then why, oh why did she guilt Lily into going back to NTAC to SAVE these people? I think I would stop watching the show if Isabelle was supposed to always kill the 4400 and the opportunity to wipe them all out was right there ,by her doing nothing, was wasted because why? She wanted or needed to be an adult to do it? What would be the point? I get and agree with rockingmule's theory. For Iz to be initially made to be evil and then save the 4400 is beyond stupid to me so whoever made the 4400, IMO, also knew about/made Isabelle.
Kalele
Sep 6 2006, 01:10 AM
Quote:
Or maybe it was evil PFTF who created the 4400, and good PFTF that seeded Isabelle. Then when Jordan died, the evil PFTF saw a chance to use Isabelle, so they grew her up real fast, took away Lily, and sent in Matthew. I don't think the 4400 ever had a specific mission-I think they were just meant to cause havoc by their very presence. People feared them from the beginning, before there was any kinda reason to fear them, just because they were different. All these different people just being alive in the world is already causing problems, because there are people like Ryland too stupid to accept anything different.
I think the writers may be making Ryland look like a bad guy and he's not. I've also wondered if the good guys are really the bad guys. If that is true what was told to Kyle and Tom is a lot of BS-- they could be put back on earth FOR the ultimate battle, to destroy mankind-- since they knew they'd have to lie to get anyone on their side.
rockingmule
Sep 6 2006, 07:27 AM
Kalele, Ryland has committed kidnapping and torture and he was involved in the promicin scandal and has even said little Maia is a potential enemy. I think it's safe to say he's the bad guy. I know if he's the good guy, if I was a 4400 I'd want to be on the bad side. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Kalele
Sep 6 2006, 09:00 AM
but we don't know what the 4400 is going to do... NOVA group, Jordan--they've done plenty(NOVA has killed, Jordan broke the group out of NTAC, stole the promicin) and just b/c it hasn't escalated yet doesn't mean it won't. Yes it's pretty extreme to say Maia is a threat, but maybe not now... but when she's older? We can't say whose good or bad... or who WILL be good or bad. The sides have changed before.
zippylittlerat
Sep 6 2006, 03:01 PM
I think I've read somewhere else that Isabelle guilted Lily to going back because of the basic needs: if that disease killed her parents, where would she be? Now that we've seen her true colors, I have no problem believing that it was all out of selfishness (although that adorable smile she gives Burkhoff will forever remain a mystery).
newbee101
Sep 6 2006, 04:19 PM
alright so here's my speculation: we know there are two factions in the futrure, one "good" and one "bad." but which is which? this is something we dont know and cant know because bad and good are opinions. they are subjective to whomever is speaking. what if sarah's group is good, what is theyre bad? we really dont know. we dont even know why theyre fighting and what caused it. i mean we are live so in the dark her its funny.
anyway sorry for the freaky language im still in school mode i just got home.
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