Milagro1121
Jul 24 2006, 06:28 PM
I liked Marco and Diana together and I am very sad that they have (presumably) parted ways. I hold out hope that Diana (the writers) come to their senses and keep them together. I liked the way they were with each other. Not to physical just really very sweet.
Maybe they didn't break up, maybe Diana decided that what Josh said meant that she should step up and take their relationship to the next level and commit (not that she wasn't committed to begin with). Aw Heck I just don't want them to break up....
Keep Diana and Marco together!! Please!!
newbee101
Aug 3 2006, 01:05 PM
i agree with you it was cute to see them together, but from reading maia's diary it seems to me that she didn't really like him. oh well, i do hope that maybe they get back together or somethin
Fanwoman
Aug 3 2006, 02:45 PM
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I liked Marco and Diana together. I liked the way they were with each other. Not to physical just really very sweet.
I agree. Considering how much near-naked Isabelle we saw in the first half, Marco's quiet concern for Diana was a welcome respite into a more thoughtful relationship.
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from reading maia's diary it seems to me that she didn't really like him
You mean Diana, right? Yeah, was that cold or what? "A little sad" and "she'll be OK" like it was no big deal to end their relationship. No big deal for her, maybe, but Marco's been working on it for at least two years!
gdogg24
Aug 3 2006, 08:53 PM
The Diana/Marco relationship was a good leveler to the Shawn/Isabelle bed-marathon well maybe Diana still harbors some reluctance toward a serious comitment after being hurt so badly
shirleytpa
Aug 4 2006, 05:59 AM
That is exactly what it is...I liked them together too..but I think Diana wants someone a little more agressive.
amerirish
Aug 4 2006, 08:59 AM
First, let me say that I love Marco and enjoyed seeing them together. They made an adorable couple.
However (I know I'm gonna get a lot of heat for saying this) I'm a little bit glad they broke up *only* because I don't want this show to turn into a soap opera. With Shawn/Issy, Richard/Lilly, Tom/Alana then Marco/Diana it was getting a little too much about the couples for me. I'm also a little happy about Alana leaving (temporarily at least). I'd much rather see Diana & Tom working on cases and involved with the big picture. I realize that they could do both - work and have relationships - but I feel that in order to really develop the relationship, the writers would have to devote too much time to that part of the story, therefore taking away from the main plot.
Bracing myself......ok, let me have it
Dobie
Aug 4 2006, 09:18 AM
I'm glad they broke up too. Not because i think it's sopa-operaish though. I like it when the characters are single. It can sometimes add to the plot.
Star Trek wouldn't have been as good if Captain Kirk had a girlfriend. The sexual tension between him and those female aliens (and sometimes female crew members) wouldn't have been there. I loved that part of the show.
gdogg24
Aug 4 2006, 12:02 PM
I agree to many couples turn any show into the dating game then like we are now we get more concerned with the relationships of the characters and ignore the point of the show
Fanwoman
Aug 4 2006, 12:36 PM
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I'm glad they broke up too. Not because i think it's sopa-operaish though. I like it when the characters are single. It can sometimes add to the plot.
Star Trek wouldn't have been as good if Captain Kirk had a girlfriend. The sexual tension between him and those female aliens (and sometimes female crew members) wouldn't have been there. I loved that part of the show.
While I agree, there has been an over emphasis on romantic relationships this season, I don't see how letting Diana and Marco's relationship continue quietly in the background somehow emphasizes romantic relationships more than her breaking up with him.
Last time I checked, Captain Kirk wasn't a single parent. The setting and purpose of Star Trek are completely different. The 4400 is set in modern times. The people are supposed to be real people, and their relationships to other people matter to the show. Romantic relationships are as much a part of an adult's life as the relationships between parents and children or between siblings or between coworkers--all of which we've seen and enjoyed in this series. Such relationships make the characters three dimensional, unlike Captain Kirk.
Tom wouldn't be Tom if he wasn't vilifying Mayuya because he did nothing to prevent murder in one episode then trying to protect his son who has actually committed murder in the next. The difference? Mayuya wasn't his son, and the relationship between him and his son changes everything.
Shawn's reconciliation with his family was the balm that got him through the loss of Collier because his relationship with his family matters.
Would Lily have stolen money if it was just herself that was hungry and cold? I don't think so.
Appelbaum risked his life not just because the lives of 100 people were at stake but because his daughter's life was at stake.
Orson Bailey tried to get money because his wife was in such a modest care facility.
Carl Morrissey wanted to clean up his neighborhood because he cared about his neighbors and the place where he proposed to his wife.
Isabelle killed to help Shawn.
Those brothers started blowing up 4400s because their sister had been killed by one.
The list of plot points that are vital because of relationships goes on and on. Why should the relationships between men and women be exempt? It wouldn't make any sense if they were.
hannah_4400
Aug 4 2006, 12:54 PM
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I'm glad they broke up too. Not because i think it's sopa-operaish though. I like it when the characters are single. It can sometimes add to the plot.
Star Trek wouldn't have been as good if Captain Kirk had a girlfriend. The sexual tension between him and those female aliens (and sometimes female crew members) wouldn't have been there. I loved that part of the show.
While I agree, there has been an over emphasis on romantic relationships this season, I don't see how letting Diana and Marco's relationship continue quietly in the background somehow emphasizes romantic relationships more than her breaking up with him.
Last time I checked, Captain Kirk wasn't a single parent. The setting and purpose of Star Trek are completely different. The 4400 is set in modern times. The people are supposed to be real people, and their relationships to other people matter to the show. Romantic relationships are as much a part of an adult's life as the relationships between parents and children or between siblings or between coworkers--all of which we've seen and enjoyed in this series. Such relationships make the characters three dimensional, unlike Captain Kirk.
Tom wouldn't be Tom if he wasn't vilifying Mayuya because he did nothing to prevent murder in one episode then trying to protect his son who has actually committed murder in the next. The difference? Mayuya wasn't his son, and the relationship between him and his son changes everything.
Shawn's reconciliation with his family was the balm that got him through the loss of Collier because his relationship with his family matters.
Would Lily have stolen money if it was just herself that was hungry and cold? I don't think so.
Appelbaum risked his life not just because the lives of 100 people were at stake but because his daughter's life was at stake.
Orson Bailey tried to get money because his wife was in such a modest care facility.
Carl Morrissey wanted to clean up his neighborhood because he cared about his neighbors and the place where he proposed to his wife.
Isabelle killed to help Shawn.
Those brothers started blowing up 4400s because their sister had been killed by one.
The list of plot points that are vital because of relationships goes on and on. Why should the relationships between men and women be exempt? It wouldn't make any sense if they were.
Great post! Very good points in terms of how people act is shaped by their relationships. Never really knew there were so many in the show though until you wrote them all!
gdogg24
Aug 4 2006, 12:55 PM
not to cut off relationships completly because as you said it makes the characters real but over emphasis takes away from the show's main point It's nice to have in the show but it's not too good to make the show too much about the relationships that develope
amerirish
Aug 4 2006, 03:43 PM
No one suggested eliminating all relationships on the show; what Dobie and I were both saying is that we don't want it to become all about the couples a la soap operas.
I'm referring to the whole angst of a dating relationship: does he feel the same, will we get married, etc. Obviously there's none of that in family relationships, only dating ones.
I admire your recollection of the episodes, but your examples don't really relate to the topic we were discussing.
Dobie
Aug 4 2006, 03:59 PM
My goodness. I never said that this show was anything like Star Trek. (there's nothing like the original Star Trek)
I never said it was a fact that Diana and Marco shouldn't be together. For me they just really didn't click.
I think there ought to be lots of relationships. Nothing is exempt. When characters are single it seems there can actually be more romantic relationships.
Diana doesn't have any problem with being a single parent. She chose to be.
I'm a single parent (though I didn't choose to be) and it seems to have worked out OK. It's bad news to pursue a relationship just to give your kids(s) a daddy.
There's lots of ways to make characters three demensional. You don't need a man (woman) in your life to make yourself so. (Not to mention the fact that i adore Captain Kirk)
Besides, Diana and Marco didn't seem to mind too much.
They hardly batted an eye.
Dobie
Aug 4 2006, 04:03 PM
Right!
I took so long typing my last post that this one wasn't here when began!
I didn't mean to ignore it or post over it.
amerirish
Aug 4 2006, 04:06 PM
LOL, no prob.
I too never mentioned Star Trek either, never watched an entire episode in my life.
I hope I didn't come off harsh, but I was a tiny bit insulted by that post. How about you?
gdogg24
Aug 4 2006, 04:06 PM
or end up triple teaming on the no soap-opera thing lol
Dobie
Aug 4 2006, 04:10 PM
I don't mind people posting whatever they think....but everyone needs to remember that these are opinions. I felt I had been corrected...and no one really knows if I'm wrong.
Yes, I guess I kinda felt insulted.
Besides No Captain Kirk bashing allowed!
just kidding (I think)
gdogg24
Aug 4 2006, 04:15 PM
Ok everyone got that seriously for ur own safety NO BASHING CAP. KIRK
P.S. Captain Kirk is a...just kidding
Dobie
Aug 4 2006, 04:22 PM
Look out, dogg.....those are fighting words!
Actually, I preferred Ensign Chekov. He was the first true love of my life.
Enough reminiscing! admin will get me for being off topic.
gdogg24
Aug 4 2006, 04:26 PM
Right so nyways how bout that Marco and Diana dang what a sad story lol
Dobie
Aug 4 2006, 04:34 PM
I really do think that there wasn't enough emotional baggage stuff going on with either Diana or Marco.
Didn't that seem odd?
It looked like the writers wanted it forgotten in a hurry.
gdogg24
Aug 4 2006, 04:36 PM
Like they didn't have enough time to get in depth like with Tom and Alana
Dobie
Aug 4 2006, 04:39 PM
Most of their time wasn't real.
gdogg24
Aug 4 2006, 04:43 PM
The closest i saw them was the season finale that was it
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