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Teresa1643
Mr. Monk and the Actor

This is probably superfluous now, since I think Deb has made most of these same points better than I have, but here goes.

I haven’t got any Hitchcock, Columbo or Sherlock Holmes comparisons to pull out of my hat for this one, but it did remind me of the old Ronald Colman film, A Double Life, which also features an actor whose method leads to madness. The psychology’s a little dated now, but it’s still fascinating. Colman won a best actor Academy Award for that role and, mark my words, when the Emmy nominations are announced next year Stanley Tucci will be on the list for his turn in this episode as David Ruskin.

Hy Conrad and Joe Toplyn are credited with writing this one. (Here’s Hy's Writer's Blog about "Actor.") Hy is their twice Edgar nominated mystery guy and Joe Toplyn was the co-writer of Mr. Monk and the Astronaut. Looking through Joe’s credits again, I see that he also wrote for one of the funniest programs ever to air on network television: Doctor, Doctor with Matt Frewer. Anybody remember it? Anybody? It was brilliant. Considering their backgrounds (Hy in mystery, Joe in comedy) it’s always a delight to see how well the Monk writers handle such intense drama.

Randy Zisk directed, which reminds me of one of the funniest bits in Monk: The Official Episode Guide. In the forward creator Andy Breckman enumerates the steps for producing a successful television show. Number four is, “Hire Randy Zisk and make him your partner. Get him to direct as many episodes as he can. Work him hard. Don’t let him sleep.”

I’m also 99% certain that when Stottlemeyer points out the producer named Hoberman (a reference to Monk producer David Hoberman) that’s actually Randy Zisk he’s pointing to. We weren't actually introduced, but I've seen him in person and also judging from his InFANity appearance and this little picture,

he's the guy (on the left).


What the Teddy Bear Saw

In the teaser we see yet another example of a pillow fight gone bad. You’d think people would learn: Yeah, it’s all fun and games until someone knocks over the teddy bear with the camera in it.

Even in this first scene you can see one of the themes of the episode, (playing a part and taking it too far, being someone you’re not) illustrated. Michelle is only pretending to be attracted to Jack Leverett in order to set him up. Leverett is played by Greg Grunberg, who I understand was on Alias, but I’ve never seen it or his work until now. He’s really pretty good, particularly in his final scene.

There is some truth in Michelle’s performance. That was a very ugly shirt. And what was that he was drinking in the teaser? A Spacewalk? The set-up is very similar to the opening scene in Mr. Monk and the Astronaut. Did you ever notice nothing will get you in to trouble in a Monk episode quicker than adultery? A large percentage of the victims and murderers fit the description. I have to say this was probably the unluckiest killer ever on Monk. What ever could go wrong did go wrong for him.

I really liked the shot at the end of the opening scene with the dead girl and the limp teddy bear lying in the same position. I think Randy Zisk said in the InFANity special that they try to make the director invisible, no tricky stuff to call your attention to the fact that you’re watching T.V., but a Randy Zisk episode always seems to have subtle clever little touches like that.


“Let me be the first to say, welcome to square two”

It’s always nice to see Monk happy, but you know it won’t last. It’s pretty obvious that the square two stuff is a little wishful thinking on Dr. Kroger’s part, especially since Monk is still insecure enough to invite Kroger along on his vacation and offer to pay for it. Still Monk might actually have done well in square two if he hadn’t met David Ruskin. (The mention of Harold in the dialogue isn’t just chit chat. Harold himself will be back in “Mr. Monk Gets a New Shrink.”)

I really enjoyed the “What square are you on?” bit with Natalie being so sweet and supportive. But now I have to wonder what square am I on? How many squares are there? (I’m sure Monk is hoping it’s ten.) Do I even know where these squares are?

I think Monk’s “surprise” moment may have been a little over the top. It’s Sottlemeyer, Disher and Natalie’s reactions that make it work. Once again, however, it does fit with the theme and illustrates what a bad actor Monk is. It’s just Monk’s misfortune that David Ruskin is the only other actor, besides Joey Heatherton, that he’s ever heard of. He probably wouldn’t have tried to impress anyone else or have been so susceptible to their influence, since he wouldn’t have known who they were.

I was anticipating the rapport between Shalhoub and Tucci, but I was pleasantly surprised by the chemistry between Tucci and Ted Levine. The first scene, before Ruskin starts swimming for the deep end, has a great rhythm between the two of them:

“Is she dead?”

“As a door nail”

“Bummer”

And they continue with the little Brad Pitt joke they play on Randy. “Excuse me I gotta call my mother… my girlfriend.” Great stuff.

Not so easy to watch, but still in keeping with the theme, is Monk showing off for the actor. But the glitter is just too much for him. (It just occurred to me that glitter may symbolize Hollywood.) It’s funny that trying to rub the glitter off on Natalie wouldn’t seem more to weird to Monk than just using the wipe. Speaking of glitter, I’m past 30 and maybe my eye sight is going, but all the glitter is mimed, right? I can’t see it.


“Just let your mind go blank”

At the beginning of this next scene, genuinely-startled-Monk, (when Randy pokes his head through the wall out of the pawn shop) is much funnier to me than pretending-to-be-surprised-Monk or showing-off-for-the-actor-Monk. At least in this scene Monk’s open to Natalie giving him a surreptitious backhanded wipe. Since Disher and Stottlemeyer are pretty much star struck as well, Natalie’s the one with the onerous duty of being down to earth. (As rich as her parents were they probably had Captain Kangaroo or Mister Rogers perform at her birthday parties. No wonder she’s blasé.) She can’t help but come off as a little grumpier in this episode, but that impression is offset a lot by that pretty new longer hair style she’s sporting, some nice outfits and a somewhat more delicate look she’s got this season.

I don’t know though, there’s something hinky about the scene between Natalie and Monk in the alley, besides the fact that the Transamerica Pyramid in the background looks to be a fake backdrop. She seemed fed up with the kissing up in the pawn shop, but there wasn’t really a hint that she thought there was anything strange about Ruskin’s behavior until they get into the alley. It seems to be an odd time to bring up Ruskin’s history. If she learned about it the night before why not tell Monk about it before they arrived. And though she turns out to be right that Ruskin’s dangerous, it seems like an unusual conclusion to draw at this point. The only logical inference to be drawn from the information she has is that Ruskin’s a danger to himself. It seems like Natalie’s got the chore of suddenly spouting exposition tinged with a little contrived conflict so it can be delivered without being quite so boring, but it’s not so logical or organic either. It feels incomplete, but I loved Monk’s response: “This is something that I might actually come close to almost enjoying.” I’m gonna make it my sig.

Once Monk discovers the murder weapon he becomes so absorbed in the “real world” problem he seems to lose interest in the film making process. (Perhaps he’s taken Natalie’s warning to heart.) This is in inverse proportion to the way Ruskin starts to lose himself in Monkland during the scene in the lab. Monk is able to ignore the uneven vials, but Ruskin can’t. (I won’t ask what’s in the vials, because I don’t want to know if the answer is urine samples.) It’s interesting that Natalie’s so used to the caretaking role now that she does it for the ersatz Monk too, herding him back into the fold when he falls behind. Maybe that particular scene would have worked even better without being preceded by Natalie’s warning about Ruskin being dangerous. It would have come across as a little creepier I think and in turn would have given Natalie a logical reason to distrust Ruskin and research his background.


“Something’s not…. Something’s wrong here.”

It was a joy for an old Buckaroo Banzai fan like me to see Peter Weller walk on to the set. (Not that he hasn't had a long and illustrious career since.) According to the Writer’s Blog it was a last minute deal because Weller just happened to be around preparing for the episode he was directing (Mr. Monk, Private Eye,” I think.) So it was serendipity. I just love it when that kind of stuff happens.

“What do you think of the mustache?” He does a fabulous job imitating Stottlemeyer. He’s got the voice and the mannerisms down pat even if he looks nothing like him. Stottlemeyer’s seems pleased with the performance up to a point. And then “Lt. Disher” makes her entrance.

“That never happened.”

“Not even once.”

This has to qualify as one of the funniest, if not the funniest, Monk moments ever.

I guess you might say that the producers of The Killer Astronaut are simply exercising artistic license, minus the art. It’s really just the producers of Monk poking fun at their own industry. I enjoyed it in “Mr. Monk and the T.V. Star” and it’s still funny to me here, especially the way they get all the small stuff and even some of the big stuff completely wrong. It’s even stranger that Ruskin wants to get Monk just right considering so many details of the production are wrong, starting with Randy being a girl for no other purpose but to sex things up. But this production has a much bigger problem than inaccuracy and an unhinged star:

“I was just looking for evidence.”

“In his mouth?”

If I were Ruskin I’d be demanding a rewrite instead of worrying about the crew’s caps. It’s a lucky thing not only for his sanity, but for his career that this turkey doesn’t actually get made. The Monk suit they give him is a clever representation of the difference between the Monk “reality” and The Killer Astronaut. One is subtle, (you can barely see the squares on Monk’s shirt) and the other is definitely not.

Probably most people noticed that after Ruskin carefully rearranges the knick knacks on the table in front of Stottlemeyer and Disher during the rehearsal, the next shot reveals that the items are magically in a different order. Simple continuity error? Maybe, but the knick knacks are center frame as they’re picked up by the other camera angle and as we linger there Ruskin says, “Something’s not…. Something’s wrong here.” It seems deliberate to me. I think they’re just trying to keep us on our toes.


“Take me to Monk school.”

Ruskin’s late night visit is reminiscent of Marci Maven’s in “T.V. Star.” We get the same distorted view of the visitor through the peep hole. I believe this is supposed to indicate that the person being viewed is crazier than Monk.

What can I say about this scene? It’s flawless. The tilted coffee table is there in the background as they begin to discuss Trudy. She’s always there. Monk’s not letting her go. He’s not ready to move on. “I never deserved her. The world never deserved her.” Ruskin is immature, selfish, merciless and downright creepy: “We have a brother?” His reading of that line was simply perfection.

Ruskin does, however, find what he’s looking for, the truth, the why:

“You can’t find Trudy’s killer, so you do the next best thing you track down and you capture other criminals.”

“It’s not enough.”

“No, it’s not enough.”


“It was confusing, but delicious, but confusing, but delicious.”

It’s a relief to know that things didn’t get any worse for Monk after their little heart to heart and Ruskin managed to connect with him on a culinary level: “He made us food, fried eggs. He used a ruler just the way I like it.” That is before he threw Monk out of his own house. “Boy, he’s a good actor.”

Natalie wasn’t terribly sympathetic, but she didn’t get the whole story and it’s really hard to be sympathetic at that hour of the morning. It was a lucky thing he did go to her house or he would never have found The Clue That Breaks The Case™: Julie’s torn up note.

Having Randy do the summation is a nice touch. I like the way they try to keep that segment fresh.

In the next scene at the parking garage Ruskin is now wearing the Monk wig indicating the transformation is complete, he’s totally lost it. Right here he reminded me not so much of Tony Shalhoub but more of Grant Rosenmeyer as little Monk.

There was another unexpected cameo in this episode, but it was quick so you may have missed it. Tom Ohmer appears as the Sergeant who fills in Stottlemeyer outside the car dealership. Tom was also in “Mr. Monk and the Other Detective” as the sergeant who picks up the dog poo and in “Mr. Monk and the Astronaut” as the sergeant who brings Stottlemeyer Joanne Raphelson’s phone records. He’s got at least twice as many lines in this episode. “Captain, stay down! Change of plans. We have a hostage situation. Man walked in the showroom five minutes ago, waving a gun, looking for the owner. He kept saying, ‘You killed my wife. You killed Trudy.’”

That was it, but I thought he did a great job. Yes, I’m biased because he was nice enough to give me an interview last year about the filming of “Other Detective” and “Astronaut.”

I really enjoyed Ted Levine’s performance at this juncture. When Stottlemeyer thinks it’s Monk in the showroom and orders everyone to stand down, you can hear the desperation in his voice and how much he wants to protect Monk. It also shows he trusts Monk enough to wait and see how it plays out. In fact he trusts him enough to send him in alone after Ruskin.


What are you guys from some cult?!

By the time Monk gets in there, Ruskin’s so far gone he doesn’t answer to his own name. Monk shows enough self awareness to know what his own emotional buttons are, or at least the ones that Ruskin has picked up on.

Monk’s weapon? That was interesting. Don’t you turn in your badge and your gun, especially when you get a psychological discharge? Of course, he could have owned another gun. We know he never carries it, but I wonder why he’s kept it. He may just be anticipating the day when he returns to the force, but could it be his intent, or maybe it just crossed his mind, to use it if he ever really finds Trudy’s killer? We know he has a lot of anger built up (“Manhattan,” “Captain’s Wife”) and that desire is there despite the fact that he believes Trudy wouldn’t want him to do it. It looks like Ruskin has also raided Monk’s closet because he isn’t wearing the Monk costume anymore. He’s wearing exactly the same clothes.

The VW sticker stuff is funny, but at the same time a very tense scene and again very nicely played. The tussle on the floor is so reminiscent of the fight on the beach in The Big Night, I’d call it an homage, as is the reference to making eggs. (What?! You haven’t seen The Big Night? What are you waiting for? Go get it now.) It may seem out of character for Monk to roll around on the floor, but we’ve seen his willingness to hit the ground (“Twelfth Man) or even jump on a garbage truck (“Captain’s Wife”) when it’s important enough.

So, when they begin fighting, why doesn’t Stottlemeyer storm the place? Maybe he was thinking he’d let Monk handle it or he was afraid they might shoot the wrong Monk (or maybe even the right one. Shooting a major Hollywood star who’s having a nervous breakdown probably doesn’t get you a lot of career points.) I suppose Leverett is lucky after all since he doesn’t get shot at this point.

Trudy wouldn’t want you to do this, would she?

I really love this scene, but I’m not sure how it fits in with all our Trudy facts.

“That day she wanted me to go with her.” Could this be true and how would Ruskin know it? We know she went on an errand for Ambrose, but if Ruskin’s first deduction (“Do you know why she backed into the parking space. Do you know why? I’ll tell you why, because she was there to meet you. But she didn’t trust you.”) is correct than why would she have asked Adrian to go with her? At first Adrian resists the suggestion: “No, no, no, no, no.”

“Yeah, she did. It’s my fault. It’s my fault.” Ruskin is tapping in to Adrian’s ever present survivor guilt. Of course, Dale the Whale said the bomb wasn’t meant for Monk, but he could have been lying and Adrian could have decided not to believe him. But even if he did believe Dale, the thought that he should have been with Trudy and prevented her death or even just died with her, would make him feel as guilty as thinking that the bomb was meant for him. “That’s right,” Monk says. I don’t know whether he remembers that Trudy did ask him (although it seems unlikely that he would have forgotten it or that Ruskin would have any way of knowing it) or if he’s simply demonstrating again how vulnerable he is to suggestion.

“I said I was tired,” Ruskin continues. Hold on there. He’s improvising now. From what Joe Christie ("Employee of the Month") said Adrian was at work when the call came in about Trudy. Even if Trudy had asked Adrian to go with her that day, he wouldn’t have turned her down because he was tired. It would have been because he was working. No, I think Ruskin is just getting into character and maybe he figures that only a tremendous amount of guilt could cause Monk’s problems. The overlapping dialogue is very effective. You would think it might actually be a little cathartic for Adrian. The guilt that he’s buried is obviously still there and hasn’t been dealt with.

According to the synopsis in the episode guide, “In his final moment as Adrian Monk, David Ruskin points out a new clue in Trudy's murder case.”

I’m thinking they meant the parking space clue, because Trudy asking Adrian to go with her, even if it’s true, doesn’t exactly qualify as a clue.


“He’s in England doing Hamlet.”

I like that they snuck the credits in over the tag. That’s awesome. It’s about time someone figured a way around the incredibly annoying credit squeezing trick of the networks. All the crew and the cast in the final credits deserve to have their names seen.

Although this may seem like a big setback, judging from how many days will be added on to therapy, it certainly gives Monk and Dr. Kroger a lot of material to work with and suggests that they were just glossing over the pain of Trudy’s death and haven’t adequately dealt with the guilt and anger he feels over it.

Didn’t Ruskin get off a little light? I would have thought there’d be a little hospital time involved.

This episode had so many levels you could probably write a book on it. (Between me, Deb and Liv we probably already have enough material.) Stanley Tucci was absolutely amazing. So was Tony Shalhoub. So was the rest of the cast, with a special nod to Jason Gray-Stanford who always gives 100% even if he’s just doing comic relief.

I couldn’t find a detective series comparison, but I think Shakespeare may fit the bill, Hamlet to be precise, in which there’s a play within the play. "The play's the thing wherein, I'll catch the conscience of the King,” declares Hamlet, hoping his Uncle’s guilt will be revealed by his reaction to the play. Even if it is misplaced and undeserved Adrian’s guilt is unburied in the same way.

Deb, I loved your haiku on this one. Okay if I use it when I put this review up on the website?

Liv, I loved the little South Park David Ruskin. Can I use him too?
Og_Of_The_Jungle
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Having Randy do the summation is a nice touch. I like the way they try to keep that segment fresh.





Shades of Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever Because He Fixed A Bent Antenna.

Wait, that's entirely too long to fit on the window.

Seriously.... When Randy started doing the summation, I thought that Randy had suddenly gotten a boost in IQ, but then we discovered that he's just repeating what Monk already said. Okay, got me.

Teresa, another brilliant review. Well spoken.
Liv
Of course, Teresa, you can use him. The offer is always there, if there is a figure in the gallery you can use, take it. Just let me know so I can be flattered and brag to my daughter. Nothing annoys her more.

Og- Thanks! But Teresa wrote the review .
Teresa1643
Terrific. I'm glad to help you annoy your daughter, but I bet she's secretly quite proud of you.
MonkFanToo
I thoroughly enjoyed your review--it's raised a question and evoked an obseration/comment:


Question: In the car dealership show room, after Monk and Ruskin are finished fighting and are sitting on the floor, both their backs against a wall, the real Adrian Monk finally gets the gun away from Ruskin/Monk. Adrian then raises his right hand/arm up (as though signaling/waving in Stottlemeyer & Company), but then when the Mirror Monk turns his head to look at Adrian Monk, Adrian puts his hand/arm down to his head (as if rubbing/scratching the back of his head). Why? And was Adrian really waving in Stottlemeyer & Crew??? If so, why didn't they then come into the show room?


Observation/Comment: Regarding (the real) Adrian Monk's gun Mirror Monk took out of Adrian's lock box (by using Trudy's birth date as the combination): we have known (the real) Monk for four years plus now and in all that time if we know anything about him it's that he cannot lie; he cannot cheat, steal, or con anyone, and he does not break the law... Yet, apparently he knowingly kept a gun and ammunition for it in a lock box in his apartment. Since Monk (still) has a mental illness, he cannot get a permit to have a gun (for any reason). And even though it may well have been purchased and stored in the lock box BEFORE he had his breakdown, he now knows full well (and has for the last five years) that that gun should have also been turned over to the police (or to maybe even his father-in-law) until such time as he (Monk) would be competent and reinstated to the police force (or at least be okayed for a gun permit by his shrink)... But to have knowingly kept this secret gun in spite of everything has to lead one down the road of thought as to WHAT he might want to use the gun for and why he kept it illegally...


--Lee
Teresa1643
I definitely thought that Adrian was signaling the police outside and that he didn't want Ruskin to see him do it. Only a moment passes however before the Monk's are crying together and the angle is on them not on the door. For all we know Stottlemeyer is coming in at the point the scene cuts away.

Monk having a gun is a surprise and we do have to ask why, but it will be a moot point in the future. It would most certainly have been confiscated at the scene. I wonder how Monk explained that to Stottlemeyer.
Aldebaran
Teresa--terrifc review as always. I always love to read what other people have noticed about an episode, because invariably they will see so many things that I have not noticed, but I especially enjoy the style of your reviews--careful, analytical, in touch with the reality of the "business" and the need to get exposition out, and especially--so darn funny in their own right (the bit about the "urine samples" , "before Ruskin starts swimmng for the deep end" and I especially loved "artistic license
minus the art"!)

I had not noticed the slightly exagerrated costuming of Ruskin til you and Liv pointed it out. Also had not noticed the bear and the victim being in the same position on the floor, nor made the thematic connection about the victim also pretending to be someone she was not.

And others have commented on Natalie being unsympathetic to Monk when he shows up at her door. I thought she was as sympathetic as could be expected. In fact, I liked seeing her a bit out of sorts. Adrian can be impossibly selfish, and I think it is more realistic of people involved with him to have a "crabby" reaction to that, rather than just accomodating him all the time, especially if it is a more personal interaction, rather than relating to helping him focus at a crime scene. He needs to be taken out of himself enough to realize that his behavior is selfish (of course, comedically predictably he remains oblivious this time, too) but it was nice to see more of a sense of Natalie's feeling, and was a nice counterpoint to her kind and helpful dialogue at the beginning of the episode about what square she was on.

The scene in the apartment between Ruskin and Adrian was amazing, really amazing. I would love to know if the speech from Ruskin in the kitchen, about trying to find what drives Adrian, was scripted or ad-libbed by Tucci. Either way, it was brilliant, as were Tucci's abupt and mercurial shifts in tone, as in when he is off on one tangent, flips open Monk's case book and is transfixed by the pictures--just great. Emmy time indeed. (What was the submission for this year's nomination--was it "Bumps His Head?)

Thanks, Teresa for a fascinating review--you deserve a shiny Blue Blaze Irregular badge! And I couldn't see the glitter, either...

Thanks for the kind words on the haiku, you are welcome to it. Honored as always to be in the company of your prose.

Deb
Aldebaran
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In the car dealership show room, after Monk and Ruskin are finished fighting and are sitting on the floor, both their backs against a wall, the real Adrian Monk finally gets the gun away from Ruskin/Monk. Adrian then raises his right hand/arm up (as though signaling/waving in Stottlemeyer & Company), but then when the Mirror Monk turns his head to look at Adrian Monk, Adrian puts his hand/arm down to his head (as if rubbing/scratching the back of his head). Why? And was Adrian really waving in Stottlemeyer & Crew??? If so, why didn't they then come into the show room?




My take on this, Lee, is that it was a signal, but a specific signal meaning something like "Suspect disarmed" or some such, and that, as Teresa suggests, Stott and company are in the process of making their way slowly in, so as not to make the situation even more chaotic.

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Observation/Comment: Regarding (the real) Adrian Monk's gun Mirror Monk took out of Adrian's lock box (by using Trudy's birth date as the combination): we have known (the real) Monk for four years plus now and in all that time if we know anything about him it's that he cannot lie; he cannot cheat, steal, or con anyone, and he does not break the law... Yet, apparently he knowingly kept a gun and ammunition for it in a lock box in his apartment. Since Monk (still) has a mental illness, he cannot get a permit to have a gun (for any reason). And even though it may well have been purchased and stored in the lock box BEFORE he had his breakdown, he now knows full well (and has for the last five years) that that gun should have also been turned over to the police (or to maybe even his father-in-law) until such time as he (Monk) would be competent and reinstated to the police force (or at least be okayed for a gun permit by his shrink)... But to have knowingly kept this secret gun in spite of everything has to lead one down the road of thought as to WHAT he might want to use the gun for and why he kept it illegally...




We have seen Adrian be quite good at lying--but only when he is doing it on the side of the law--or, more particularly, when he is doing what he believes to be right. For example, setting up Ashcombe in "Psychic" or setting up the murderer in "Panic Room" when he plays his part in the set-up dialog between he, Randy and the Captain about the recording device--Adrian is quite capable of lying convincingly to someone he suspects of wrongdoing or to catch someone he suspects of wrongdoing.

So, if Adrian thought "justice" equalled the death of Trudy's murderer, he might be quite capable of being very devious, even with those people he is closest to. Now, he doesn't break the law (except, as you suggested procuring and/or keeping that weapon comes pretty close) and he doesn't believe Trudy would want him to take vengeance, but when push comes to shove--when he is finally face-to-face with the person who took his love and his life away--I hope he'll listen to Trudy's wishes and not his own...

It also occurs, that there may have been a time that Adrian, a grief maddened distraught Adrian, contemplated using that gun on himself, before his decision that he had to live to find Trudy's murderer. (And, this is just me, but I think that his stated phobia of death stems from this, as well. It doesn't refer to others' death, or being around death at crime scenes--he still does that routinely, so it must be his own death. And I think he's not so much afraid of death for himself, as he is afraid of dying before he has found her killer.)

As Teresa said, that particular gun is now moot. While I believe in a way that Stottlemeyer, if left to his own devices, would cover for Adrian (we've seen it in "Candidate" when he hustles Randy's purloined gun away from Adrian in a manner designed not to be seen, and in "Manhattan" when Stott did allow Adrian to be alone with Tennyson, and could not have been entirely sure what Adrian's intentions were)--but in this case, there's a gazillion cop witnesses, as well as Leverett, who saw Ruskin's gun. Stott'll have Adrian's back, though, and come up with something to explain how Ruskin got that gun, something that doesn't involve it coming from Adrian's house...









Tami
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Stott'll have Adrian's back, though, and come up with something to explain how Ruskin got that gun, something that doesn't involve it coming from Adrian's house...


Stottlemeyer would obstruct justice (falsify evidence) to explain away the gun? I seriously doubt that! Why would Stottlemeyer have to "cover" for Adrian, anyway, when Dave clearly stole Adrian's gun? As a matter of fact, I think that's insulting. It's still Adrian's gun. Adrian knows it's his gun and, knowing Adrian: it's registered.
Liv
I do not believe that it is illegal for Adrian to own a gun. Having a mental illness does not rule out legally owning a gun or else a lot fewer people would own guns. If he had been to prison, like for a crime he committed and not for an investigation then it would be illegal. I think Stottlemeyer made a judgement call as a friend in not wanting him to have a gun, but it was not illegal for him to own one. Amd for all we know, Adrian might have put that gun in that box years before Trudy was killed and then not thought about it since. I could easily imagine him forgetting about it or not thinking to mention it right after she was killed, because he was too distraught. When the captain took the gun in The Candidate, it was to keep from drawing attention to the fact that Adrian had taken Randy's gun, it doesn't mean that neither of them were reprimanded later, just that it wasn't done publicly. Not to mention how dangerous it could have been when Adrian got pulled in front of that crowd with flash bulbs going off in his face and as nervous and jumpy as he was at that time with a gun in his hand. But I do think that if Stottlemeyer had known he had that gun when he took his badge and service weapon, he would have taken that one too and held on to it for him.

But I don't believe that anyone will be in trouble for the fact that Adrian has had a gun in his possession all this time and never used it.
Raven
Excellent review Teresa, I'm really happy to see you posting them again!
I have a question: How did David get that new clue that Trudy's car was backed in? I missed that somehow.
Tami
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I have a question: How did David get that new clue that Trudy's car was backed in? I missed that somehow.


Probably from looking at the crime-scene photos and how the car was positioned in the garage. I haven't gone back to look at those pics, but it seems to me to be the only way he'd think that.
Raven
So it's a new clue for us, but not for Adrian? He must have noticed that, right?
MonkFanToo
I wonder what California law actually says about citizens with mental illnesses having a gun, whether it's registered or not, if kept in that person's abode?? Any legal eagles out there in California who could find out?

I really hadn't thought about Adrian using the gun on himself, Deb, but I suppose it is a possibility. Yet for whatever the possible reason there is, there's probably a reason--in Monk's mind--to keep it. I am interested in learning what California law has to say about gun ownership by mentally ill people. It would be a bit of a let down to find out that Mirror Monk/Dave finding a lock box in Adrian's apartment and guessing the combination to it correctly was only a plot device used to explain how Mirror Monk could come by a gun so easily (especially since we learn from Natalie's dialogue that Dave Ruskin had had to previous breakdowns).

And if you're watching the repeat of "The Actor" tonight (Thurday) at 11:30 p.m. central, I would still like to hear people's takes on the real Adrian (after finally getting the gun away from Mirror Monk/Dave after their scuffle and while they are sitting on the showroom floor) putting his hand/arm up and waving (as if waving/calling in the captain and company from outside)--but then when Mirror Monk/Dave turns his head to look at the real Adrian, real Monk brings his hand/arm down to his head (pretending [?] to be rubbing or scratching the top of his head)...


--Lee
Liv
I'm curious though why she would back into a parking spot because she wanted to be able to leave fast when the parking garage was basically empty? There were no other cars around her or they wouldn't have allowed them to be moved before they took the photos of the crime scene, and those cars around her car would have been damaged too. And am I the only person out there who hates to back up so much that if I see two parking spots across from each other and I can pull through one to park in the other with the front of the car pointed out that I will do it so that I don't have to back up when I leave?
Aldebaran
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Stott'll have Adrian's back, though, and come up with something to explain how Ruskin got that gun, something that doesn't involve it coming from Adrian's house...


Stottlemeyer would obstruct justice (falsify evidence) to explain away the gun? I seriously doubt that! Why would Stottlemeyer have to "cover" for Adrian, anyway, when Dave clearly stole Adrian's gun? As a matter of fact, I think that's insulting. It's still Adrian's gun. Adrian knows it's his gun and, knowing Adrian: it's registered.




Hi Tami--I guess I am proceeding from the theory that Adrian is not supposed to have a gun of any sort because of the type of leave he is on from the department. I absolutely don't know this for a fact, I was just theorizing. If you mean it would be insulting for Stott to cover for Adrian, because Adrian doesn't need covering because it's a legal gun, I agree. If you mean it is insulting that Stott might falsify evidence, I certainly meant no insult. To me, it is comparable to when Stottlemeyer took the gun from Adrian in "Candidate"--as Liv said, it might have been to spare Randy embarrassment. And we don't know how the report for that incident read--Stottlemeyer might very well have told the complete truth in the report, that the suspect in "Candidate" was wounded by a shot fired from Randy's gun, that was taken without Randy's permission by Adrian Monk. I don't think that's what happened, though, I think the story might have been told differently somehow in the official report. By this, I intend no disrespect to Stottlemeyer's character. I meant that, if Adrian is not supposed to have the gun in "Actor", Stottlemeyer, out of deep friendship and loyalty to his friend, might come up with a way of explaining it that would not jeopardize Adrian's potential future reinstatement.

But, you know, it is all speculation on my part. Adrian could very well have the gun legally, and have it registered, in which case everything is as you say--that Ruskin stole a legally registered gun. Perhaps Adrian is as a private citizen entitled to own a gun. I was looking at it as Adrian, a cop who has been relieved of duty for psychological reasons, and who (presumably) had to surrender his duty weapon--if he's off the force for good, well, he's a private citizen and can do as he likes. But if there is some quasi-relationship with the police force--whatever it is, suspension pending reinstatement--the force may have a say over whether he, in his present condition, is allowed to have a weapon.

So bottom line is none of us knows for sure if the gun is legal or not. If it is, well, that fits with Adrian's character as a law abiding citizen. If it isn't, it leads to all sorts of interesting speculation. And, as I said in a different thread, it's entirely possible that the whole gun thing and the lockbox thing was just put in there to make Ruskin's transformation even more apparent and complete--that he'd find the lock box and know the combination based on his being so deep in his "Adrian" persona. It'll probably never come up in the series again, although I suppose there is potential for it (the gun ownership issue} to come up in the "Private Eye" episode.

Deb
fan4sure
Teresa - your reviews are always a treat! I missed them. And everyone else's thoughts ... wow, so much to think about. I am going to enjoy watching the episode again with all this new information to mull over.
ClippoPuppet
According to the California handgun laws, Adrian would only have been required to surrender his handgun (assuming he obtained it legally while he was in a reasonably good mental state which I think is probably a safe assumption) if he were arrested, charged with a crime or misdemeanor or found to be a threat to himself or others by a court. The only time he really was obligated to turn in his personal weapon would have been when he was committed (and I don't remember any indication that he was committed more than the one time we know about) and under that circumstance, he was only required to get rid of it for the duration of the committment (the law doesn't say what you do to get the weapon back if the head of the hospital dresses like Santa Claus and tries to kill you!). According to the website I read (yeah, I researched it - yeah, I'm obsessive) the law is very vague on how you surrender a weapon once you've legally obtained it, and there's no provision to check up on you to ensure you have actually disposed of it once you meet the criteria. The speculation would be that only in a criminal matter (a serious arrest, etc.) or through the intervension of a third party (a tattletale) would the court realize you had a weapon to dispose of and even then the law says you have to get someone to sign a statement that they've immediately taken the weapon out of your hands and agree to dispose of it within 30 days - there's no follow up to ensure that really happened. I doubt Adrian would knowingly dodge the law, but I suspect he, like many gun owners who obtain their weapons legally, assume that their legal ownership of the gun doesn't change as long as they don't use it in a criminal manner.
Twinrogers
I think Adrian's gun is legal. It might even be the one he used on the force. I can't speak for California police and how they're run, but when my Dad was on the force, he owned his own weapon - the force didn't supply it - and brought it home at night. (I didn't know this until a few years ago.) My dad, very wisely, would take it apart when he got home and locked it in a locker, in case any kids in the house snooped around. So I can see Adrian owning his own weapon for the force and bringing it and locking it up. There'd be no reason to "lie" or not tell Stottlemeyer about it at all, if that's the case. I'm sure that, when Trudy died and Adrian went south mentally, Stottlemeyer was keenly aware of Adrian's weapon being at home, and probably knew that it was safe from use. (Catatonia will do that to you, for starters...) And let's face it, for all the years they've worked together since then, Stottlemeyer has a lot of faith in Monk, even when what Adrian says doesn't gel with what's in the captain's mind. So I think the captain's aware that Monk's had the weapon and had complete faith it wouldn't be used, improperly or at all.

Then again, I don't live in California, so I have no idea how they run their police force.
Tami
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(the law doesn't say what you do to get the weapon back if the head of the hospital dresses like Santa Claus and tries to kill you!).


I think that's the "Santa Clause" in the lawbooks ...
ClippoPuppet
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(the law doesn't say what you do to get the weapon back if the head of the hospital dresses like Santa Claus and tries to kill you!).


I think that's the "Santa Clause" in the lawbooks ...


Ho, ho, ho, very funny!
Tami
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(the law doesn't say what you do to get the weapon back if the head of the hospital dresses like Santa Claus and tries to kill you!).


I think that's the "Santa Clause" in the lawbooks ...


Ho, ho, ho, very funny!


It's a gift ... and a curse ... No. It's a gift ... and a curse ... Well, it's actually a gift ... and a curse ... It's a something and a something else ...

Sorry to interrupt. Carry on ...
ClippoPuppet
BTW, here's the information I pulled off the web on CA gun laws:

State of CA Firearms Prohibiting Categories

Unless otherwise stated, if you fall into any of the following categories you are prohibited from possessing a firearm in CA for life.

Person convicted of a felony or any offense in section 12021.1 of the Penal Code.
Person who is a fugitive from justice.
Person while under indictment for just about anything.
Person who’s addicted to drugs.
Person denied a firearm as a condition of probation.
Juveniles who are or were wards of the juvenile court because of some crime they committed can’t own a firearm until they reach age 30.
Person who has just about any kind of restraining order filed against them can’t possess a firearm while the restraining order is in effect.
Person found by a court to be mentally incompetent to stand trial, found not guilty to some crime by reason of insanity, or found to be a mentally disordered sex offender.
Person placed under a conservatorship because of a mental disorder or alcoholism.
Person who communicates a threat to a licensed psychotherapist against someone else and the psychotherapist reports it to law enforcement is prohibited from possessing a firearm for the next six months.
Person taken into custody as a danger to self or others and committed to a mental health facility is prohibited from possessing a firearm for the next 5 years.
Person who is a voluntary patient in a mental health facility is prohibited from possessing a firearm between admission and release.
Firearms Prohibiting Misdemeanors

Any person convicted of any of the following misdemeanors is prohibited from owning a firearm in CA for 10 years following the conviction.

Threatening public officers, public employees, school officials, public appointees, judges or their staff or immediate families.
Intimidating witnesses or victims.
Attempting to take a firearm away from a police officer.
Unauthorized possession of just about any kind of weapon in a state or local public building or at a public meeting.
Possessing a loaded firearm within the state capitol or legislative offices.
Possessing a loaded firearm within the governor’s mansion or the residence or any other constitutional officer.
Providing a firearm to a person for use by a criminal street gang.
Assault or battery on anyone.
Assault with a stun gun, taser, deadly weapon, or any instrument likely to produce great bodily injury.
Shooting at an inhabited dwelling or just plain grossly negligent discharge of a firearm.
Willful infliction of physical injury on a spouse, former spouse, cohabitant, former cohabitant, or the mother or father of a child of one of these people.
Violation of a court order against harassment, disturbing the peace, threats or acts of violence, or violating a domestic protective/restraining order.
Drawing, exhibiting, or using any deadly weapon other than a firearm for any reason except self-defense.
Drawing or exhibiting a firearm in the presence of a police officer.
Purchasing, selling, manufacturing, shipping, transporting, distributing, or receiving an imitation firearm. This does not include obvious toys.
Inflicting serious bodily injury by drawing or exhibiting a firearm or any other deadly weapon.
Threatening to commit any crime that might result in the death or great bodily injury to another person.
Possessing a firearm in a school zone or on school grounds.
Willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly following or harassing another person (stalking).
Carrying a loaded firearm with the intent to commit a felony.
Possessing any deadly weapon with the intent to assault anyone.
Allowing a firearm in or to be discharged from a motor vehicle that you own or are driving (no matter who in the vehicle has possession of the firearm).
Criminal possession of a firearm in public while wearing a mask.
Unauthorized possession, transportation, manufacture, or sale of a machinegun.
Possession of armor piercing ammunition.
Carrying a concealed or loaded firearm or any deadly weapon or wearing a police uniform while picketing. (Does this include real cops?)
Bringing or sending contraband into or possessing contraband within a juvenile or youth authority institution. (Contraband could be a pack of cigarettes)
Firearms prohibitions as specified in sections 8100, 8101, & 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code (You gotta look this up yourself).

Here's the website this was on...
Aldebaran
Wow, ClippoPuppet, that is thorough! Thanks for the research. A policeman came into the mystery bookstore where I work this morning, and I summoned up the courage to run the hypothetical discussion by him (I didn't tell him it was from "Monk", just a fictional situation). He said, as Twinrogers indicated earlier, that if the weapon was purchased by the officer and not by the department, the department allows the officer to retain possession of the weapon.

He did say there was precedent for the terms of the suspension to include surrender of all weapons, both personal and departmental, but that it rarely happens, only if the officer were viewed as seriously disturbed. His summation was that not very many disgruntled officers come back to the station with guns blazing...

Thanks to all for an interesting discussion!

Deb

I edited this to take out the officer's quote, as it could be viewed as a pejorative.
MonkFanToo
Terms of suspension from the police force... I do wonder since we learned in MONK "Goes To The Theater" he had been before that judge, the same one who would be trying Sharona's sister Gail for murder, for determination of mental competency (which she determined he wasn't at that time?); so even if California law only requires that weapons (and gun permits, too?) be surrendered for time or duration of a "voluntary hospitalization in a mental facility" (but Monk did not voluntarily admit himself, did he?), perhaps, then maybe part of Monk's police force suspension for psychological reasons could have required the competency hearing and the surrendering of all weapons whether they were Monk's or the police departments?? It is still really not clear.


--Lee
pinger71
Hi Teresa,
Great review as always. I finally saw this episode today (I don't have cable at the moment so I had to invade my friend's house).

I did notice a Seinfeld comparison:
When Jerry and George finally get their pilot shot, we get to see the "actors" who portray them. Kramer seeks out the "actor" who plays him and gives him advice!

Speaking of other Seinfeld comparisons, there's "The Urinator."
In a Seinfeld episode, Elaine tries to get the attention of a gym member. But he is too distracted to notice her because of another gym member who urinates in the shower...Marty Eels! I mean, George! Monk also confronts a urinator in "Manhattan."

In "Curb your enthusiasm" here are some comparisons:

Both Monk and Larry David pop bubble wrap. Monk advices The Captain to use his thumbs. Larry just stomps on them. Unfortunately for David his habit reveals his location in "Krazee-Eyez Killa."

Both Monk and Larry fly from the West Coast to New York in a season finale. On his flight, Larry tries to make himself attractive to a certain female by faking that he has OCD. When Monk is on a date ("Other Woman" and "Blackout") he probably wishes his OCD would desert him.

I may be reaching on some of these comparisons so here's more:
Author Dashiell Hammett once lived in San Francisco at 891 Post #401. Didn't Ambrose ask Monk if he still lived at Post in "Three Pies?"
In Hammett's "The Thin Man" Nick Charles is in New York for a vacation. People kept asking him if he is still a San Francisco detective. He says he isn't in that buisness anymore but a murder/mystery still falls in his lap (This parallels Hammett who isn't interested in writing detective anymore). Monk flies to New York for matters that involve Trudy but a murder/mystery also falls into his lap.
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