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bensonsmyhero

Jul 3 2006, 10:06 PM

omg this is sooo stupid cena was sooo screw tonight!!! edge is sooo stupid!!! dang it!!

cenagirl

Jul 4 2006, 11:06 AM

cenea could have won the wwe champion but that ***** of edge cheated by hitting him with the belt to pick up the win. just like in january edge will lost the belt in a short time in s.n.m.e!!!!!!! in counting which is in 11 days. john cena should get another chance to beatg that bastard edge for the pimped out belt.

BoeyRamm

Jul 4 2006, 01:21 PM

Ok first im a way bigger Cena fan than I am an Edge head(fan) but give edge his props hes oppertunistic and thats NOT a bad thing he watches and waits and almost...... Study his opponets. He waits until his oppents are at there weakest point and attacks and cappatalises. WWE and ECW always say the big guys are carnavours....but no I think Edge is the greatest carnavour in sports entertainment he stalks his prey and attacks..........Hes NOT a jackass for that reason.....he IS a jackass becouse of his attitude to the fans!

John_Cena_WWE

Jul 4 2006, 01:36 PM

Boey i agree with you but I HATE it when he talks bad about the state they are in

BoeyRamm

Jul 4 2006, 01:52 PM

thats one of the OLDEST tricks in the book....its used to give the fans someone to HATE and well thats EDGE!

John_Cena_WWE

Jul 4 2006, 01:56 PM

yea... i wish lita would be a good girl again

chaingang_rules

Jul 5 2006, 12:23 PM

Yeap he did get screwed again, last week and this week too, it is just sad.
And then RVD gets screwed as well on ECW.
I have noticed one thing about Edge he has not won that title in a real pinfall. In other words he has cheated every time to get that title, and to me to be a fighting champion you need to win a title without cheating.

John_Cena_WWE

Jul 5 2006, 12:33 PM

yeah I noticed that too. He isnt a real champion at heart like Cena is!

Selene

Jul 8 2006, 04:50 PM

Oh come on, it was a fair match. I mean they agree to those estipulations, the only thing is that Edge outsmarted both of them and got what he wanted. Don't hate him for it.

FanNBham

Jul 10 2006, 02:17 PM

The only thing Wrestlers agree to is to read the script they are given. If the script says you lose tonight -- then they lose.

Of course Edge cheated to win -- that's Edge's gimmick/character. Of course Cena got screwed -- that's how Cena loses matches.

It's fun to see Edge again as champion and seeing Cena chase the belt -- it's different.

lilly39

Jul 13 2006, 08:07 AM

ALL YOU CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT IS POOR CENA GETTING SCREWED , COME ON GET REAL CENA DESREAVES TO GET SCREWED, FOR ONE THING HE HAS HAD THAT BELT ENOUGH, LET SOMEONE ELSE HAVE IT THAT IS A MUCH BETTER WRESTLER, ALSO WHEN CENA HAD IT A LOT OF WRESTERS GOT SCREWED SO GET REAL AND SHUT UP , CENA SUCKS.

FanNBham

Jul 13 2006, 02:44 PM

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ALL YOU CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT IS POOR CENA GETTING SCREWED , COME ON GET REAL CENA DESREAVES TO GET SCREWED, FOR ONE THING HE HAS HAD THAT BELT ENOUGH, LET SOMEONE ELSE HAVE IT THAT IS A MUCH BETTER WRESTLER, ALSO WHEN CENA HAD IT A LOT OF WRESTERS GOT SCREWED SO GET REAL AND SHUT UP , CENA SUCKS.

Wow -- just the fact that Cena can get you so emotional tells you how great a wrestler Cena is. All they are actors and their job is to elicit an emotion out of the fans.

Cena's done an excellent job on you!

Cena got screwed because of his gimmick. The only way to beat his is to cheat or screw him over.

Don’t worry; he’ll have the title back by Unforgiven if not sooner.

Caliban

Jul 14 2006, 03:39 AM

How patronising.

She doesn't like Cena, like 50% of the viewing audience. Because he's a one trick pony.

FanNBham

Jul 14 2006, 09:15 AM

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How patronising.

She doesn't like Cena, like 50% of the viewing audience. Because he's a one trick pony.

How utterly false!

It's only one specific demographic that doesn't like Cena. That is the male 18-28 year old demographic. Even then, it's only somewhere around 50% to 75% of that demographic that doesn't like Cena. If you watched this last weeks RAW there were 18 to 28 year olds surrounding the ring in the floor seats -- about a third of those fans were wearing Cena shirts. Open your eyes to the truth.

It's absolutely fine that individuals don't want to like Cena. It's called personal preference. What's not fine is to start making up claims that just aren't true. The majority of Fans ranging in ages of 4 to 84 like John Cena. There are plenty of statistics and demographics that prove it.

What is patronizing is when folks want to turn their own personal preferences in to claims that everyone else thinks the way they do.

There's just something totally arrogant about the Cena distracters that think that everyone else must think the way they do. It seems they are threatened by the thought that others disagreeing with them might mean that they are wrong.

POWERade

Jul 14 2006, 12:06 PM

no, Cena didn't get screwed.... it's the fans that get screwed by Cena even being in the position to get or have the belt.

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Wow -- just the fact that Cena can get you so emotional tells you how great a wrestler Cena is. All they are actors and their job is to elicit an emotion out of the fans.

the reaction of us Cena detractors isn't so much toward Cena himself, as it is towards the WWE for putting such a crappy wrestler in such a top spot.
not since Hogan has such a poorly skilled wrestler been in such a top spot... well, if you don't include David Arquette that is. but as far as wrestling skill, they are all 3 about on the same level.

-Edge is a hundred times better WRESTLER than Cena is.
-Edge has been in the company a LOT longer than Cena.
-Edge has had matches that will live in wrestling history FOREVER - Cena hasn't, and couldn't if he wanted to.

bottom line, Edge deserves to be Champion on his worst day 10 times more than Cena does on his best day.

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It's only one specific demographic that doesn't like Cena. That is

that is anyone who appreciates GOOD wrestling skill.

FanNBham

Jul 14 2006, 12:44 PM

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that is anyone who appreciates GOOD wrestling skill.

Just like a Cena hater to say that no one else but them would be able to tell what is good wrestling and not. Cena is more than good and the emotion he creates in his fans and distracters proves it.

Cena distracters are full of contradictions -- but they don't care -- just as long as they get to demand that they are right and everyone else that thinks otherwise just don't know what they are talking about.

Claiming that Kids are Cena's only fans is a prime example. One, it's false; Cena has the complete age range of fans. Two, anyone involved with entertainment will tell you that kids are the hardest audience to entertain. If it's not believable -- they won't buy it and they'll tune out and their minds will wander away. And yet, the distracters go on a say that it's only kids that like Cena and that Cena has no skills.

You don't have to like him -- but it just shows how biased you are by saying that anyone that does doesn't know what good wrestling is.

Caliban

Jul 15 2006, 06:24 AM

I didn't say everyone.. I said 50%. I'm so arrogant!

Anyway, I'll continue to support the likes of Carlito who still feel it neccessary to better themselves, unlike Cena, whose work has actually gotten worse and worse over the last two years...

Oh to be arrogant! I love being right, it's not hard here.

FanNBham

Jul 15 2006, 09:49 AM

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I didn't say everyone.. I said 50%. I'm so arrogant!

Anyway, I'll continue to support the likes of Carlito who still feel it neccessary to better themselves, unlike Cena, whose work has actually gotten worse and worse over the last two years...

Oh to be arrogant! I love being right, it's not hard here.

Yep -- you said 50%. The problem is you think it is 50% of all the audience that don't like Cena. I've proven that it is only 50% of only one demographic. And you proclaiming that you are still right just proves how arrogant Cena distractors actually all. They just can't admit that they are the actual minority.

But it's okay, the more they go on spreading their falsehoods the more popular Cena becomes.

Caliban

Jul 15 2006, 02:24 PM

Where did you "prove" anything?

FanNBham

Jul 15 2006, 06:37 PM

Proof -- and you're claiming you're right just because you say 50% hate and boo Cena. As I've said, that's just one part of a particular age bracket.

Everyone agrees that kids up to 15 and females like Cena. It's those kids Parents that tune in with the kids and buy those kids the Cena merchandise. Old Timers, like myself, who like and appreciate Hulk Hogan like Cena. We are the majority.

And yet you keep proving my point by continually saying it is otherwise. If the majority in fact didn't like Cena he wouldn't be the top man of the Company. Why has he remained the top man when there are less than 50% of the male 18 to 28 demographic boo Cena -- because they are the minority and Vince McMahon would be a fool to play into their arrogance at the expense of the majority.

But go ahead and deny it. The more the distracters keep saying that Cena has no skills and isn't championship material the more fans turn to Cena and begin to cheer for him. You're actually doing me and all the rest of the Cena fans a huge favor.

POWERade

Jul 15 2006, 08:40 PM

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that is anyone who appreciates GOOD wrestling skill.

Just like a Cena hater to say that no one else but them would be able to tell what is good wrestling and not. Cena is more than good and the emotion he creates in his fans and distracters proves it.
You don't have to like him -- but it just shows how biased you are by saying that anyone that does doesn't know what good wrestling is.

WHOA!
I NEVER said that anyone who likes Cena doesn't know what good wrestling is.

but.... no, Cena does not have good wrestling skills.

look at his VERY small repitoire of moves. (which he at least did adress&acknowledge on live tv)
then look at the poor execution of those moves.
the majority of Cena's match, he isn't wrestling - just brawling.
Now, the most famous "brawler" of them all could be Stone Cold. BUT, he showed, on several occasions, that he can WRESTLE and not just brawl. Remember the match with Kurt Angle, where Austin chain-wrestled and mat wrestled with Kurt, toe-to-toe?
I don't see Cena doing even half of that.
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Let's take a look at two of Cena's standard moves. And these two are his latest additions to his matches.
Fisherman's Suplex - he has not locked that move in correctly ONE SINGLE time. It's the sloppiest execution of a suplex variant we've seen since... well, dang, I don't know that I've ever seen a suplex executed so sloppy on such a consistent basis. maybe The Rock was almost as bad with his sloppy belly-to-belly throw, but that's about it.
And one night, Jim Ross had the audacity to say Cena does it as well as Curt Hennig ever did. I like good ol' JR, but he should have been SLAPPED for saying that.
Cena never hooks the leg properly, and he never maintains the lock all the way thru. And I think it would be a cold day in hell before Cena learned to lock it in properly and follow up with a bridge into a pin - which is the main advantage of a Hennigplex.

and then there's the STF.
at least with this one, he manages to lock it on properly some of the time. but not usually.
hey, hint to Cena: a crossface goes ACROSS THE FACE, not under the chin, around the neck, or south of the throat. lol
freeze-frame compare Chris Benoit's crossface execution to Cena's and you will see what I mean. (of course, even Cena would probably admit he's not half the wrestler Benoit is)
I can't recall seeing him to a proper drop-toe hold to lead into the STF, which is the normal and best way to do it. Furthermore, the way he locks in the opponents feet/legs is just pitiful.

now, that's just a breakdown of TWO moves and how crappy Cena does them - and that's about 1/3 or 1/4 of the wrestling moves we see from him. I would say about 80 to 90 percent of his are executed so poorly.
Even his brawling style leaves something to be desired, but I guess that is mostly a matter of opinion. However, the way he executes traditional wrestling moves is not a matter of opinion, but FACT. I have TONS of video evidence to prove it.
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I remember watching Cena's matches with Kurt Angle, and noticing how obvious it was that Angle was having to over-sell and help Cena so much, to make up for Cena's lack of skill. And it was that way with most of Cena's opponents.
One reason (and this is my guess here) that his matches with JBL sucked so bad, is because JBL wouldn't carry him like so many others do.

And another thing,
- every wrestler has their "signature" moves or whatever - People's Elbow, Stone Cold Stunner, Pedigree, etc etc
And most of them have signature things such as Kurt taking off the shoulder straps, HBK tuning up the band, X-pac's crotch chop leading to the bronco-buster, etc etc etc.
Again, I know this is a matter of opinion, but I haven't seen anything as stupid as pumping the sneakers up, or the 5-knuckle shuffle since The Worm by Scottie2Hottie.
imo, those 3 are about the same level of stupid. (And a LOT of people also put The People's Elbow in that catagory too)

bottom line:
is he a good sports entertainer? yes - he has the charisma and the "heart" to be a good sports entertainer. but....
is he good at wrestling? no, not at all.

And that's my beef (and I think the beef of most Cena detractors) - someone with that poor of a skill level should not be in the top title contention. At best, Cena should be stuck at the Intercontinental title level. (Even though he can't wrestle 1/100th as well as Shelton Benjamin)
If his in-ring skills matched his interview and character portrayal skills, it would be a different story.

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If the majority in fact didn't like Cena he wouldn't be the top man of the Company.

BULL CRAP!
HOW many weeks in a row was the crowd in attendance SOLIDLY against Cena? answer - A LOT of weeks.
there was quite a long and noticable period of time where Cena was getting boo'd so badly, you couldn't ignore it.
now, it's back up to about 50/50.
For months, the live crowds, and the internet fans have been vehemently expressing their displeasure over Cena. It got so bad, that the WWE was resorting to covering up the live crowd's boo's and chants on the tv broadcast.
The WWE have even told the arena staff to not allow anti-cena signs. And we're not talking about offensive or foul-language signs either. The most famous instance is a fan had a sign that said "We've Cena 'nuff", and it was taken away and not allowed to be on tv.
Not only has Cena's un-popularity peaked, the WWE have even resorted to communist-like tactics to try and keep the masses fooled about it.
Remember One Night Stand II? Edge, currently the top bad guy, was thanked by the fans for spearing Cena - "Thank you Edge. Thank you Edge"
You know something's wrong when the FANS are thanking the top bad guy for taking out the top good guy, and costing him the title.
The broadcast staff have been OBVIOUS and blatant in their attempts to over-sell Cena, and to try to cover for the things the fans don't like about him. Why? because he isn't doing a good enough job to passify the MULTITUDE of fans who have this beef with him.
look at it:
Cena's opponents have to carry him thru matches, the announcers have to carry his character, and he gets more boo's than any good guy I can recall in a babyface role.

Vince has kept him in the top position when EVERYTHING points to the fact that Cena shouldn't be there.

Cena being in the top spot, like Vince's anti-God skits, is just further evidence of Vince's growing senility.
If Vince TRULY wanted what was best for the WWE, he would step back, and let other folks run the show - Because he is running it into the ground.

FanNBham

Jul 15 2006, 10:16 PM

Quite simply -- when has Cena ever been booked as a Traditional Wrestler?

Never.

Your whole argument just went out the window -- but yet again, all it showed is how the Haters will go to all lengths to ignore the truth and spout that it's all about being a technical wrestler.

I’ve seen virtually all of Cena’s matches and he plays the gimmick perfectly – both on the mic and in the ring. Sorry you only think there’s one wrestling style – there’s not. It's sad that someone that claims they know so much about wrestling thinks there is only one way to do a move. Almost no wrestler does a move the way another wrestler does. It creates variety and provides for uniqueness.

Why not try another long-winded post that just amounts to the arrogant ramblings of someone who isn't getting his way and can't stand it because the majority is.

POWERade

Jul 15 2006, 11:26 PM

'scuse me, Cena does a UNIQUELY crappy Hennigplex.
i don't give a damn WHAT he is "booked as". I was stating what he is, not what he is "booked as".
"booked as" wtf?
he was booked in what? a microphone match? a silly gimmick match? no - a wrestling match.

i never said it's "All" about being a technical wrestler (again, you're putting words in my post that werent there in the first place)
but i think a CHAMPION should at least have wrestling skills.
Like Stone Cold - his primary style is brawling - like Cena. but Austin did a HELL of a lot better job of it, and had the WRESTLING skills to make him worthy of a WRESTLING Championship.
The Rock had "unique" ways of doing a lot of moves, but had the technical and professional skills to make him worthy of being a WRESTLING Champion.
'scuse me if you and a million other people think being good on the mic and ***** in the ring makes a person worthy of being a Champion.

so Cena's mic skills make him as good of a Champion as Kurt Angle, or HHH, or Stone Cold, or Bret Hart, or Chris Benoit, etc etc.?
right.

You're pitiful in your conviction of Cena, and your post holds about as much water as the dollar general store brand paper towel Cena used to write down the 4 wrestling moves he knows.

it has nothing to do with me getting my way. it has everything to do with a World Heavyweight (WWE) title being disgraced by Cena holding it for 13 months, and the resulting insult to the great WRESTLERS who have EARNED it by WRESTLING for it over the years.
This seems to be a concept that completely escapes you.

i offer irrefutable proof that he is a crappy wrestler, and your rebuttal is to call me arrogant and put words in my mouth that werent there in the first place.
- so who is arrogantly rambling?

but ok, enuff of this. i'm done with it.
you're obviously either unwilling or too stupid to have a decent debate and/or look at it objectively.

so go ahead and credit me for more words i didn't say, and pile more insults on me. i don't care. lol

FanNBham

Jul 16 2006, 08:56 AM

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i don't give a damn WHAT he is "booked as". I

Exactly, and you make my point once again. You don't care what is reality and what is not. You care solely about your opinion. I allow you to have your preference and opinion and you refuse that of others that have different views, ideas and a more rounded view of what wrestling is all about – entertainment.

I haven't called you names or insulted you. You make one erroneous claim, I debunk it and then you deny that you never said that.

It's the typical argument of the Cena Hater.

cenagirl

Jul 17 2006, 09:46 AM

yea cena may had gotten screwed on s.n.m.e but he will get his revenge on edge tonight on raw. abd he also has a match with umaga. i hope he doesnt do that somaon spike on him but he will after all that is his finisher.

chaingang_rules

Jul 17 2006, 11:56 AM

I can see what you are saying about Cena not being a wrestler and I have see it a couple of times that it just seems that he is not trying.
And yet I can also agree with Fan...just because he is right about the majority of people that like Cena and the other people that hate him.
You both have very good opinions.
To me Cena does get put over a lot but haven't you noticed though too that he sometimes is not in the main events?
I really don't won't to put fuel to the fire....but basically Cena might not be good at wrestling but he gets ratings and he brings in the money in as well, so I don't think that Vince will get rid of him in the top spot for a while.
I don't know if I making an sense...but to me this type of agreemunt to me will never end because everyone has there on opinions about Cena and to me this can really never be finished.

POWERade

Jul 18 2006, 04:24 PM

holy cow!
stop the press!
two things happened on Raw last night:
1)Cena did a move I haven't seen out of him before
2)He executed it perfectly!

That was a REALLY nice belly-to-belly suplex he put on Umaga last night. It's my favorite suplex, mostly 'cuz it's the only one I can do (and I've practiced it a LOT).

actually, that match with Umaga was one of Cena's best in-ring performances.

FanNBham

Jul 18 2006, 06:47 PM

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holy cow!
stop the press!
two things happened on Raw last night:
1)Cena did a move I haven't seen out of him before
2)He executed it perfectly!

That was a REALLY nice belly-to-belly suplex he put on Umaga last night. It's my favorite suplex, mostly 'cuz it's the only one I can do (and I've practiced it a LOT).

actually, that match with Umaga was one of Cena's best in-ring performances.

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I haven't said it on this forum yet -- but on others I've been defending the Umaga win and Edge's actions. All the Chain Gang members have been cursing Edge as screwing over Cena once again and if you really look at the booking of the match -- Cena screwed Cena last night. He took his eyes off of Umaga and played into Edge's distraction and then walked right into the Samoan Spike. That was Cena's "Fault".

Umaga remains undefeated and Cena's evolution continues.

thedogg001

Jul 19 2006, 05:43 AM

The WWE is building the "Cena" character in a way reminisent of Booker T's original WCW title run. The under dog, yet top dog, respected but not completely understood. Every week people applaud or boo Cena adding to drawing power that he has. The reaction he gets is very unique, neither Austin, Goldberg, or any recent big name has ever gotten the Face/Heel response that Cena recieves.

POWERade

Jul 19 2006, 10:02 PM

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holy cow!
stop the press!
two things happened on Raw last night:
1)Cena did a move I haven't seen out of him before
2)He executed it perfectly!

That was a REALLY nice belly-to-belly suplex he put on Umaga last night. It's my favorite suplex, mostly 'cuz it's the only one I can do (and I've practiced it a LOT).

actually, that match with Umaga was one of Cena's best in-ring performances.

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I haven't said it on this forum yet -- but on others I've been defending the Umaga win and Edge's actions. All the Chain Gang members have been cursing Edge as screwing over Cena once again and if you really look at the booking of the match -- Cena screwed Cena last night. He took his eyes off of Umaga and played into Edge's distraction and then walked right into the Samoan Spike. That was Cena's "Fault".

Umaga remains undefeated and Cena's evolution continues.

You are absolutely correct.

and a further note:
upon further review of the video, I saw that Cena actually did a drop-toe hold into the stfu.

does he read these forums?
because that time he adressed the "short list of moves" on Raw (remember that?) was not long after I first bitched about it...
and mere days ago, i said he should be doing more drop-toe holds to lead into the STF.

if so, or if not, either way, I at least have to give Cena kudos for adressing fan gripes and... (this is painful to type) and taking steps to improve on at least some of those gripes.
That by no means puts me on the Cena bandwagon, but I can't deny that he has adressed some of the issues on live tv, and he has taken steps in the ring to improve also, albiet at a slow rate.

honestly, I really would like to see Cena get better in the ring, because it's easy to like the character portrayal. but the wrestling ability (or lack thereof) makes it impossible for ME* to be in the Chain Gang.

but if he gets too good, i.e. as good in ring as other Champions (not all, but at least to their level), then what will I have left to ***** & moan about? lol

(jeez, I wish I would make shorter posts. but every time I preview it I think of something else to add, and it makes it look like i'm just rambling on and on and on, but i don't mean to be, but it just comes across that way. )