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Von_Goethe

Jun 12 2006, 01:51 PM

Shawn doesn't deserve to be the leader of The 4400, the guy isn't good at anything, his character always bothered me a little, but I always count him as one of my favorites, mainly because there aren't many good ones imo.

Shawn is immature, childish, insecure, and let's face it, taking off his power he isn't good at anything, he takeover that center that Jordan cleverly created, a Center with a whole structure and ideology, and he run around like he is doing people a favor, he certainly doesn't add anything to it, it seems he thinks his job is to be a mediocre administrator, he is basically The kid with the magic hands, even tho he isn't a kid.

This entire episode his flaws became more and more evident, I liked when I saw a more anti-government, determined group, who wasn't bend on plain destruction and mass killing of civilians, they attacked precise targets and killed the authorities that were killing them, a very good response, and Shawn betrays all of them, a traidor of his own race and cause, after seeing that, I'm eager to see Shawn getting shot in the head.

I thought last night episode was well written, even Shawn's character which I hated was good, we could see a little more of gray in it, Isabelle and parents were a waste of screen time, she wasn't well written and the actress kinda sucked too.

Hawkeye

Jun 12 2006, 02:02 PM

OMG!!!. ur so evil. Shawn's part is well plotted. he is the leader of the 4400 because it gives the viewer a sense of a hero forced into the position of hero and takes it up with full pride. he puts his life aside to take upon a duty that he was not ready for. He has made the center a safe haven and not a place of deciet and secret experiments like Collier did.

shawn_lily_fan

Jun 12 2006, 03:24 PM

yeah! he's the best character! and (he's hot!)

version2

Jun 12 2006, 03:29 PM

Are you for real? C'mon now, give the kid a break. The Nova Group is the real problem here. It's like giving someone the choice of life and death and taking that back and actually making that choice for them. Shawn betrayed them because of their first two acts of terror. He was set up and made a decision with good intent.

plothunter

Jun 12 2006, 03:35 PM

Nah, Shawn's character is cool. When he fooled the mind reader guy lol, that was good.

Remember, the guy is what, 19 years old? His decision making is profound considering his age.

So all and all, I disagree with you, Von_Goethe

ParisSun

Jun 12 2006, 03:45 PM

I was actually thinking the same thing but in a different way. Shawn really showed his flaws in this episode. I'm not sure if he is ready for leadership, but it has been thrust upon him and it's high time he woke up and started looking at what's going on around him. Working under Jordan has allowed him to live in this little Uthopia where he just heals people and feels good. He doesn't seem to have a sense of the machinations going on around him. You can tell by his interaction in the garden with Isabelle and the car wash scene with his brother that he missed his youth. How old is this character? Twenty, twenty-two? He has a lot of responsibilities for a man that age. He's in charge of a lot of lives, a lot of money and resources; but seems so unsure of himself. And eveyone is trying to use him, including Tom and government, the Nova Group and that creep, Matthew. He really needs allies and he really needs to wise up before more people end up hurt. BTW, great job on this character by Patrick. He is really bringing a lot of depth to the character. One of the best actors on the show IMO.

fanaticfan

Jun 12 2006, 04:31 PM

Personally... this is what I think: its true that Shawn is young and honestly it dosnt really seem like he knows what he is doing. It seems like he is still trying to find himself as a person because while he was working under Jordan, Jordan defined him as a person and Shawn just went with whatever Collier wanted. I sure hope that this season he grows into himself and becomes someone better that people can look up to. Not just as a 4400, but as a person. I think he needs that. So... its not that he doesn't deserve it, he just needs to grow into it and be a better leader. And stop taking so much crap from everyone because I think everyones opinion really gets to him and confuses him and its just bad. So Im rooting for ya Shawn!

steggyD

Jun 12 2006, 04:34 PM

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Nah, Shawn's character is cool. When he fooled the mind reader guy lol, that was good.

Are you sure he fooled the mind reader? Remember, the mind reader happened to be on the same side as the Nova grou, so the mind reader probably just hushed about what was on Shawn's mind.

bayarea707

Jun 12 2006, 04:39 PM

i dont think shawn is up to running the 4400 either. he did present his flaws more than ever in the season premier. but then again i dont think he was supposed to run the 4400 for a long time at least until isabelle is grown up which she is now. she will be the true leader of the 4400.

ChadB

Jun 12 2006, 05:16 PM

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Shawn doesn't deserve to be the leader of The 4400............. Isabelle and parents were a waste of screen time, she wasn't well written and the actress kinda sucked too.

It's not about deserve; certainly somebody older and more mature SHOULD be leader. I didn't see anybody stepping up to the plate.

Could you name us some specific flaws with both the character of Isabel and even moreso the actress? To me she was the most interesting character of all, and quite lovely.

Von_Goethe

Jun 12 2006, 06:38 PM

I'm eager to see Jordan or even Richard replace Shawn, they would be far better suited to run that center, they were certainly more determined, then Shawn can go back to be the 'magic hands' kid and bring money to the center, the guy had some time to learn how to run things, but his presence doesn't even impose respect, he doesn't have the traits of a leader, and I do believe that the actor that plays him is doing a good job in portraying a still confused and insecure Shawn.

I think Matthew is manipulating Shawn, but he is far better with him, than without, without he is just a lost boy, anyway, after seeing how Shawn sold out the Nova Group so fast and how he even hesitated and tried to clean his hands when Kim was shot and needed him, like I said, he is a follower, a puppet, he is either being used by Jordan, Matthew or Tom, or uncle Tommy, how he likes to say, like he was 9yo, he is not fit to be a ruler, that center doesn't have all the time and seasons in the world for him to learn the job while doing the job, you can compare it to a presidency.

31105

Jun 12 2006, 06:40 PM

Shawn deserves it! He's better than Collier...yeah he might not know what to do but he's a kid...duh! But at least he has a better heart than Collier!

Hawkeye

Jun 12 2006, 06:40 PM

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I'm eager to see Jordan or even Richard replace Shawn, they would be far better suited to run that center, they were certainly more determined, then Shawn can go back to be the 'magic hands' kid and bring money to the center, the guy had some time to learn how to run things, but his presence doesn't even impose respect, he doesn't have the traits of a leader, and I do believe that the actor that plays him is doing a good job in portraying a still confused and insecure Shawn.

I think Matthew is manipulating Shawn, but he is far better with him, than without, without he is just a lost boy, anyway, after seeing how Shawn sold out the Nova Group so fast and how he even hesitated and tried to clean his hands when Kim was shot and needed him, like I said, he is a follower, a puppet, he is either being used by Jordan, Matthew or Tom, or uncle Tommy, how he likes to say, like he was 9yo, he is not fit to be a ruler, that center doesn't have all the time and seasons in the world for him to learn the job while doing the job, you can compare it to a presidency.

the problem is that there is no persuading u otherwise so this topc is pointless

Milks

Jun 12 2006, 06:42 PM

I like Shawn.....he has a heart.

123MO

Jun 12 2006, 06:48 PM

You have made an interesting point. Collier said Isabelle belonged with him. The plot thickens and having Shawn check in on Issy left an impression on her about taking care of the 4400 in which she corrected him.

Thanks to Shawn, Issy now knows that all leaders are not dictators, and some check up on their people to see if they are okay.

123MO

Jun 12 2006, 06:50 PM

I like him too and it is agreed that he has demonstrated compassion from the beginning by saving his cousin at the expense of himself. The brother's girlfriend thing was a mistake, but mistakes happen...

eneri008

Jun 12 2006, 07:04 PM

He sold them out!!! How could he???? I love TJ Kim's power is soooo awesome!!

u are rigth he is not a good leader and i think that the nova group is gonna come after shawn in future episodes.

bayarea707

Jun 12 2006, 09:33 PM

nova going after shawn you can count on it. im wondering if matthew is gonna try and stop nova or flip on shawn and help nova do whatever is that they are planning.

KLover

Jun 12 2006, 09:39 PM

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I'm eager to see Jordan or even Richard replace Shawn

You must be kidding with that Richard suggestion. Richard doesn't even know how to handle his own family's problems. Richard always has that bewildered, uncertain look on his face. He is a follower, a bodyguard, not a leader.
Shawn is the leader of The 4400 - even Collier can't take that away from him when he (Collier) returns.

Konique

Jun 12 2006, 09:41 PM

You may see it as Shawn selling them out but Shawn saw it as fixing a mistake he made. The whole put of that group that Shawn had that guy head was to protect 4400 if needed not start a war between humans and 4400. A leader has to see when they make mistakes. You could tell that Shawn was thinking long and hard about what to do. Shawn was financing it for a reason and the other guy had other plans that didn't involve what it was created for. The group went too far and Shawn just tried to fix the problem. I am not mad at Shawn. I actually like Shawn and he shows heart when needed.

Wolfbane

Jun 12 2006, 10:20 PM

Shawn is a good leader, he just has to make better choices. In the end he did make the right choice by tring to turn them in, but in doing that he has indirectly and metaphorically "thrown the first blow." He should have waited until he was sure he could be alone with that guy. Ten he should have used his powers to incapacitate him then bring him in.

Konique

Jun 12 2006, 10:25 PM

Wolfbane that is true. That is the reason why I said he tried to fix it and obviously he didn't do a good job. He has Nova on his butt now. I wonder what is going to happen with that. Hopefully with time Shawn can learn to be a better leader.

Wolfbane

Jun 12 2006, 10:40 PM

or maybe Collier will step in but that's unlikely.

Hawkeye

Jun 12 2006, 10:49 PM

Like i said he was sorta forced into his position. in time heel make some right decisions. come to think about it if he made a secret thing as the nova group wat else do u think he did?

Wolfbane

Jun 12 2006, 10:57 PM

Well im not sure he has really done alot of dirt but by him folloowing the way of Collier (who will probably be a born again)he might do some more drastic things to keep the 4400 name out of the mud.

Hawkeye

Jun 12 2006, 11:09 PM

please collier made the 4400 center a den of lies and deciet. Not that well out of the mud huh buddy??

Wolfbane

Jun 12 2006, 11:56 PM

WE as viewers know this but most of the characters dont.

Hawkeye

Jun 13 2006, 12:01 AM

um no that was the feeling in the show

NightsRain

Jun 13 2006, 12:12 AM

While I agree that Shawn is young and inexperienced, and can be annoying at times. He has a good heart, and in the past did confront Jordon on things he didn't agree with which I had to give him some credit for that. While I am glad he called in the Nova group because he was following his instincts that they were bad news, I don't think that NTAC did him any favors by making it so clear that he betrayed the Nova group. They should have taken him in too or followed her from there. I will be very disappointed if anything seriously bad happens to Shawn's character.

Wolfbane

Jun 13 2006, 12:35 AM

Thats why i said Shawn should have used his powers to stun the guy in the first place and then brought him in.

123MO

Jun 13 2006, 06:56 PM

I will be disappointed if Shawn is taken out by nothing less than old age after many, many episodes.....His character is great!

Konique

Jun 13 2006, 07:56 PM

123MO the feeling is mutual. I don't think anything is going to happen to Shawn. If we are lucky Issy just might see to that.

Liam

Jun 14 2006, 09:39 AM

Poor Shawn is really just an unwilling puppet to Matthew. Since Matthew is already manipulating Isabelle, of course he'll be manipulating Shawn as well.

Question is, where are Matthew's alliances? Is he with the center, or with the Nova group? I get the impression they won't be connected for long.

ParisSun

Jun 14 2006, 10:29 AM

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Poor Shawn is really just an unwilling puppet to Matthew. Since Matthew is already manipulating Isabelle, of course he'll be manipulating Shawn as well.

Question is, where are Matthew's alliances? Is he with the center, or with the Nova group? I get the impression they won't be connected for long.

Matthew is probably responsible for Jordan being shot, to get him out of the way so that he can more easily manipulate Shawn.

I disagree with the original poster who says that Shawn isn't a leader. He is a natural leader, but all leaders need time to grow. He's like a 20 year old being made the CEO of Coca Cola or IBM. The fact that he can handle day to day operations is amazing. He just needs to start laying the smackdown on some people and they will not take meeknees for weakness.

scoobymack

Jun 14 2006, 10:38 AM

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Poor Shawn is really just an unwilling puppet to Matthew. Since Matthew is already manipulating Isabelle, of course he'll be manipulating Shawn as well.

Question is, where are Matthew's alliances? Is he with the center, or with the Nova group? I get the impression they won't be connected for long.

Matthew is a master manipulator. I feel that he will be volatile w/Shawn in the upcoming episodes, if Shawn doesn't wise up and get rid of him first!!

I thought I had heard something, either on the season premiere, or read somewhere that Matthew's alliance is with the Nova Group. I'm not for sure on this - could just be a rumor.

Gina281

Jun 14 2006, 11:23 AM

If Shawn is to last he needs to figure out what the heck is going on around him, figure out who his allies are and get rid of the rest. He left himself very exposed when he turned in the Nova group. There's still something that isn't clicking.

Hemmy8

Jun 14 2006, 11:29 AM

Shawn is a great leader (imo) for something like that being thrust into his lap. He is doing the best he can for the 4400s. He is trying to figure out who he can and can't trust, Matthew Ross hasn't done anything for Shawn to wonder where his loyalties lie, YET.

Gina281

Jun 14 2006, 11:34 AM

So since Shawn was helping the Nova group with the cash, do you really think he knows how many 4400's and non-4400's are involved? I think he the potential to be a great leader but he's not there yet. jmho

Chris_Coulter

Jun 17 2006, 04:52 AM

Anyone who can heal the sick, is going to be automatically thrust into a leadership position. You'd rather Matthew's list of 'pattern reco math experts'?

He's just had this all thrust on him, but his status all comes from his healing power, and not his CEOish Administrator MBA abilities, heck the kiddo hasn't even gotten a college degree.

Even Matthew sees the need for him to be there...

PS - What kicking designer clothes Shawn be dudded up in, Geoffrey Beane does Kenneth Coleisms, with pastelish Gran Sasso and Florida-feeling Izoddy Claiborne's (least my take). Wonder what the real makes are...