kathyrex
Jun 12 2006, 12:37 PM
Isabel jumps from a tall building and doesn't die. She holds her hand over a flame until it burns her flesh and it heals. She felt no pain during each experience, so why did she hold her face and cry when she was slapped? It makes no sense.
Shawnshoney
Jun 12 2006, 12:43 PM
It most likely hurt her feelings and confused, that someone was mad at her and wanted to hurt her.
Hawkeye
Jun 12 2006, 12:47 PM
No she didnt cry because it hurt. She cried because she was just learning about herself and no one had done harm to her except herself. Ross's anger caught her off gaurd.
coffeetime
Jun 12 2006, 01:07 PM
Does seem a bit weird.
I thought for sure right after the slap 4400 center cleaning crew would be scrapping bits of him off of the ceiling. The Isabelle character is weak considering what a temper she had as a baby.
I do hope they write her has a strong minded person not someone to be used.
Tronix
Jun 12 2006, 01:09 PM
Well Isabel did go from a 1 and 1/2 year old to 20 or somthing so she really didnt have the young child experince of being pushished i mean it was her first punishment. I was kinda hopeing she would punch him or somthing but it didnt happen
Fanwoman
Jun 12 2006, 01:28 PM
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Does seem a bit weird.
I thought for sure right after the slap 4400 center cleaning crew would be scrapping bits of him off of the ceiling. The Isabelle character is weak considering what a temper she had as a baby.
I do hope they write her has a strong minded person not someone to be used.
Thank you!
Aside from the whole thing feeling like it was done for shock value--really, has the man shown any tendency for physical violence before?--I didn't understand how she didn't at least throw him against the wall or something. Maybe she felt like she deserved to be punished for what was happening to her mother.
Hawkeye
Jun 12 2006, 01:43 PM
the guy looks ruthless from the begining. that wat makes him a greater enemy because he has a hidden anger. Isabelle is still in the mentality of a child. The same thing a child would do is just stand there and cry until they realize that they can fight bac
nlove
Jun 12 2006, 02:41 PM
I dont know about that. I've said it before and Ill say it again. As a baby you couldn't talk bad about her without her wreaking havoc, and your telling me someone does physical harm to her and she just crys. Its the only part of the episode where I felt like I missed something.
Hawkeye
Jun 12 2006, 02:44 PM
its wansnt her though im telling ti was her nmothers influence on the baby. remember they had a special link wen she was younger
shawn_lily_fan
Jun 12 2006, 03:21 PM
i hate ross! hes a little weasle!
plothunter
Jun 12 2006, 03:36 PM
Physical pain, and emotional pain, are very different ... wouldn't you say
carolann
Jun 12 2006, 04:01 PM
just because she was jealous and that had nothing to do with a connection with her mother. It is totally ridiculous that Adult Isabelle is so docile and dull.
fanaticfan
Jun 12 2006, 04:13 PM
That was CRAZY when he slapped her . I gasped pretty loud. I couldnt believe it. I mean Ross seems kinda weird, but pretty calm and mild mannered. It was crazy. I felt bad.
ChadB
Jun 12 2006, 04:25 PM
Her reaction to the slap made perfectly good sense. I don't know why everybody thinks it's only logical that she should have lashed out like a sociopath. She grew up. Sure, she did so over night. Keep in mind however that she's been reading, and thinking with an adult mind ALOT in her days as an adult. CLEARLY ON HER MIND IS the nature of right and wrong. As a baby; what she, and all of us for that matter, consider good is whatever is pleasurable to US, what is evil is anything that is unpleasant to us. The show even made a point of writing that in, shawn is shocked at how much she's read, and she queries him for his opinion of what is good and what is evil. Contemplating the nature of good and evil is something that as a general rule only mature adults do, infants are entirely self-centered in that area, juveniles only slightly less so, Teens have learned right and wrong but it's taught, not something the average teen has given much depth of thought to.
The show made it clear she'd matured nearly as quickly as she aged simply by virtue of her ability to absorb knowledge supernaturally fast. Her reaction to the slap was simply another evidence she had matured. Does a baby contemplate taking their own life for the benefit of another? Anybody concerned about her reaction to the slap ought to be perplexed as to her even contemplating taking her own life.
The4400girl
Jun 12 2006, 04:34 PM
I was also surprised by her lack of reaction when he slapped her. I really thought she'd go after him.
Quiet
Jun 12 2006, 05:27 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that Ross actually somehow managed, during all those tests Isabelle was submitted to at the Center, to somehow have the connection between Lily and Isabelle forced forward to make Isabelle grow up so fast? He seems to have definite plans for her. And remember last season when he said to Shawn that, when the right girl came along for him to marry (Shawn meaning), he (Ross) would be sure to let him know? Coincidence with Isabelle? I don't think so. I think the whole plotline is cheese, but I also do think Ross somehow had his finger in the pie the whole time.
Hawkeye
Jun 12 2006, 06:44 PM
interesting but i dont think so. he had a hand in reaserching her into seeing wat made the 4400 think. he believed that she was somehow a gate way into how the 4400 were made. The rapid growth had to be from either some kind of ability or necsseity. He was amazed that it happened to her but seeing wat the rest of the 4400 can do he isnt caught off gaurd. he knows how to think on his toes thats all. he has a hidden agenda.
debbie426
Jun 12 2006, 06:53 PM
As a baby, she'd have made his head explode for doing something like that. I was really hoping that that ability would come back.
Hawkeye
Jun 12 2006, 07:05 PM
but she didnt wen she was younger. that brings me bac to my theroy that lily's influence on her baby is wat caused her to use her powers.
tank17211
Jun 12 2006, 09:47 PM
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Isabel jumps from a tall building and doesn't die. She holds her hand over a flame until it burns her flesh and it heals. She felt no pain during each experience, so why did she hold her face and cry when she was slapped? It makes no sense.
I was thinking the same thing. She let this ***** slap her in the face and she crys. She is supposed to be the savior of the 4400's she should have laughed in his face or something.
Wolfbane
Jun 12 2006, 09:55 PM
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Isabel jumps from a tall building and doesn't die. She holds her hand over a flame until it burns her flesh and it heals. She felt no pain during each experience, so why did she hold her face and cry when she was slapped? It makes no sense.
I was thinking the same thing. She let this ***** slap her in the face and she crys. She is supposed to be the savior of the 4400's she should have laughed in his face or something.
Like someone else said since she grew up over night she doesnt have a sense of vengence or anger. All she has is a sense of pain which is a basic sense that we have from birth. like my collegue Hawkeye has stated in another post , the only reason she used her powers on the other people is because she felt her mother (Lily's) emotion of fear which triggered her powers.
QDonQ
Jun 12 2006, 10:53 PM
Maybe she doesn't have those feelings but wait till Richard hears about the slap.
Dead Man Walking
babyboomer
Jun 12 2006, 11:06 PM
While the issue of whether or not she should have taken Matthew out or not is interesting, there's another area where I feel the writers cheated:
Whether Issy was thinking like a 2 year old or a 20 year old, it seems to be that if a strange man came into your room and commenced doing violence upon you---where there's an unlocked door within reach---I would have thought a daughter running to her dad for protection was the natural reaction.
I think the writers cheated on that one.
Hawkeye
Jun 12 2006, 11:11 PM
um a little hazy but she seems to like to be by herself and take care of herself. she dosent seem like the person to rely on others. she wouldve of stayed because she didnt understand the reason why she was attack: remember she learning
QDonQ
Jun 12 2006, 11:14 PM
I don't think they cheated... She was already killing people when she was a baby... So there is no doubt she can take care of herself.
Dolphina
Jun 12 2006, 11:33 PM
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Her (Isabelle) reaction to the slap was simply another evidence she had matured. Does a baby contemplate taking their own life for the benefit of another? Anybody concerned about her reaction to the slap ought to be perplexed as to her even contemplating taking her own life.
I agree. But my thing is this...I have a really hard time seeing ANYONE getting hurt in ANYWAY when I watch t.v..
(especially seeing someone getting killed!!) It just really, really bugs & bothers me to see people getting hurt!
I did not like seeing Isabelle trying to kill herself or even her getting slaped! (what a TOTAL jerk that Matthew Ross is! Didnt his mother/father ever tell him that you don't EVER hit women?!?)
Wolfbane
Jun 12 2006, 11:48 PM
haha He was a total bi+(# for that one.
babyboomer
Jun 13 2006, 12:13 AM
um a little hazy but she seems to like to be by herself and take care of herself. she dosent seem like the person to rely on others. she wouldve of stayed because she didnt understand the reason why she was attack: remember she learning
She was supposedly flying through encyclopedia's and other material, so she should have read, under "B" about babies and that parents take seriously people messing with their kids.
Under "H", she would have read about Help, and under what circumstances you might need it, and maybe some suggestions as to whom you might turn to.
Under D she would have read about "Dad", and and his duties.
Also under "A", she would have learned about "Abuse", "Abrasion" (sp?) and "Attorney". Under "H", she would also have read about "Hit", and whether someone you don't know is your friend if they "Attack" you.
That, coupled with the instinct to survive kicking in on it's own sometimes should have had her going somewhere else.
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I don't think they cheated... She was already killing people when she was a baby... So there is no doubt she can take care of herself.
Sometimes when I say/write stuff I forget that people can't always understand my unclear thoughts
What I meant was that---for whatever twisted reason they wanted to do that scene---they wanted that scene and so instead of showing the natural reaction of fleeing, they turned her into mush. That's what I meant when I said they cheated.
Wolfbane
Jun 13 2006, 01:01 AM
its ok i kinda go wat you meant.
babyboomer
Jun 13 2006, 02:33 AM
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its ok i kinda go wat you meant.
I haven't read all the threads and so do not know if someone else has mentioned this but:
When she got to F in the encyclopedia, she would have read about "Family", and I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying that the character, Isabelle, didn't go talk to her parents about whatever Matthew told her, especially if it was something disturbing. Who is Matthew---a slimeball who had struck her, by the way---that she should discuss her life with him and not her parents?
I'm just not believing anyone would have behaved as she did. Even if the slap took her off guard, upon reflecting over the situation after Matthew left, I just don't see her being quiet to her dad about an executive in the organization he works for has just hit her and talked some smack.
To me, this is just another example of writers being lazy and writing crap scenereos/scenes to introduce some information and/or plot twists that would require some creative writing were the writers to have the actors behave not only like what a "real" person would do, but also not contrary to the kind of personality and intelligence we'd been lead to believe the character had.
Nixlplix
Jun 13 2006, 05:24 AM
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The Isabelle character is weak considering what a temper she had as a baby.
Now see...I still take issue with the idea that she was the one doing that stuff. I think it could have been some kind of utomatic defense system that the futures put in her or something. She maybe was only indestructible as an adult, so they had to make sure she was safe as an infant. Of coure, I could be completely wrong.
beachbaby
Jun 13 2006, 08:26 AM
All of this just reinforces my own thought that baby Isabel did the things she did in response to "vibes" she was picking up from Lily. The only time she ever hurt anyone was when there was a threat to the safety of their little family. She didn't just arbitrarily pick someone out of the crowd and cause harm. As for the slap, that puzzled me at first too, then I decided it was more the shock of the thing then the actual physical pain it inflicted. She has yet to understand her powers and what to do with them now that she is the one controlling them and not her mother.
LeadingLady
Jun 13 2006, 08:43 AM
It most likely hurt her feelings and confused, that someone was mad at her and wanted to hurt her
Yeah that's what I was going to say, it was more form confusion and an emotional reaction with the crying and all more so than any pain. Her reaction was like a scared child because she is still new, even though she looks grown, she's still learning things and stuff and is still soemwhat childlike.
LeadingLady
Jun 13 2006, 08:46 AM
Thank you!
Aside from the whole thing feeling like it was done for shock value--really, has the man shown any tendency for physical violence before?--I didn't understand how she didn't at least throw him against the wall or something. Maybe she felt like she deserved to be punished for what was happening to her mother.
Yeah she seems to still have a lot of emotional confusion about growing up so suddenly and her mom dying before she can even process her own growing up.
LeadingLady
Jun 13 2006, 08:47 AM
the guy looks ruthless from the begining. that wat makes him a greater enemy because he has a hidden anger. Isabelle is still in the mentality of a child. The same thing a child would do is just stand there and cry until they realize that they can fight bac
Exactly!
LeadingLady
Jun 13 2006, 08:52 AM
Good post, I agree.
LeadingLady
Jun 13 2006, 08:55 AM
interesting but i dont think so. he had a hand in reaserching her into seeing wat made the 4400 think. he believed that she was somehow a gate way into how the 4400 were made. The rapid growth had to be from either some kind of ability or necsseity. He was amazed that it happened to her but seeing wat the rest of the 4400 can do he isnt caught off gaurd. he knows how to think on his toes thats all. he has a hidden agenda.
It was coming off of the promicin that made them age rapidly, the promicin had been keeping Lilly and Isabel young.
Hawkeye
Jun 13 2006, 09:24 AM
Thank u leading lady for quoting almost everything i have said lol. but Isapelle was not on the Promicin Inhibitor. People need to stop thinking that they were getting this from the beginning. Only wen ryland got promoted did they even start thinking about how to controll there powers.
Hawkeye
Jun 13 2006, 09:29 AM
Good job babyboomer but reading is not the same as understanding. remeber if she went through the books and aslso found evil and good she would not need shawn to clear it up for her. ur theroy is stating that her self teaching herself will make her understand wat she is reading. She is retaining information for later use so she can learn in the real world
ParisSun
Jun 13 2006, 11:23 AM
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its ok i kinda go wat you meant.
I haven't read all the threads and so do not know if someone else has mentioned this but:
When she got to F in the encyclopedia, she would have read about "Family", and I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying that the character, Isabelle, didn't go talk to her parents about whatever Matthew told her, especially if it was something disturbing. Who is Matthew---a slimeball who had struck her, by the way---that she should discuss her life with him and not her parents?
I'm just not believing anyone would have behaved as she did. Even if the slap took her off guard, upon reflecting over the situation after Matthew left, I just don't see her being quiet to her dad about an executive in the organization he works for has just hit her and talked some smack.
To me, this is just another example of writers being lazy and writing crap scenereos/scenes to introduce some information and/or plot twists that would require some creative writing were the writers to have the actors behave not only like what a "real" person would do, but also not contrary to the kind of personality and intelligence we'd been lead to believe the character had.
Couldn't you tell by the way she acted around her parents that there was a sense of being uncomfortable. She wouldn't have gone to her parents. She was willing to kill herself rather that trying to figure out a way to work with them. She know she loves her parents but she can't figure out how to relate to them. That's something that comes with spending time with people. If you were taken at 2 years of age from your parents and then brought back 20 years later, there would be a distance and you could see that in the way the characters acted. As far as Isabelle not using her power like she would have as a child, it's because she's not a child. Give her time to adjust to her situation and she's going to be even more dangerous. To write a character off because of one episode is silly.
Laciel
Jun 13 2006, 11:32 AM
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I agree. But my thing is this...I have a really hard time seeing ANYONE getting hurt in ANYWAY when I watch t.v..
(especially seeing someone getting killed!!)
You must have a hard time watching TV, since most shows have no problem throwing lots of violence in there.
babyboomer
Jun 13 2006, 01:22 PM
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Good job babyboomer but reading is not the same as understanding. remeber if she went through the books and aslso found evil and good she would not need shawn to clear it up for her. ur theroy is stating that her self teaching herself will make her understand wat she is reading. She is retaining information for later use so she can learn in the real world
I hear what you're saying, but didn't you think it was strange the writers did that?
I feel like most of us here are focusing on her body age and not on how smart and perceptive the future leader(?) is supposed to be. Things we've seen about artificial life mostly has it/them talking about feelings. Either about them not having any---as they're about to kill you, or they're like Data and wish he had some.
Since feelings are so important, I just don't see where a 2yr old can teach themselves the alphabet and how that applies to reading, then teaching themselves to read and operate a computer didn't understand what feelings were, when she got to the "F's" (She would have seen where it was "Feelings" that made her want to sacrifice herself for her mother). If you read about "Hot", "Burn", "Fire" and "Hurt", I don't think you then have to run into a burning building to see that fire is nothing to play with.
Since she should have understood "feelings", the"G's" and "E's" were close by so she then read about good and evil. I can't believe there wasn't examples of what various cultures felt was good and evil and how feelings relate to them.
I don't see a person brilliant enough to teach themselves to read and use a computer and caught on right away about (when they 1st found out about Lily's condition) her mother and she cannot live on the same plane of existance yet be so stupid as to not understand something about good and evil. Can't have it both ways. There are people that say their religeous books contain the literal truth, yet if someone points out some things that do not seem to belong or doesn't sound right or doesn't seem to be consistant or is "uncomfortable", some of those same people will say things like "It is just a story to learn a lesson.", etc. Since religeous texts I've seen have never given a head's up on the next verses, chapters, story is for lessons only, it/they should then be taken as fact. Can't have it both ways.
Unless Issy came fully aware of how to read and operate a computer, she had to teach herself all those things. Ya can't learn to do all that without cross-referring some other material. I don't see Issy not cross-referring good and evil, with laws, things that put you in jail, things people find "Hurtfull", etc. As stated, she had her own experience with "feelings" with the suicide attempt and that it was something she "wanted to do", yet not understand what it means to "want to" do either good or evil.
Can't have it both ways
I stand by my earlier comments
Couldn't you tell by the way she acted around her parents that there was a sense of being uncomfortable. She wouldn't have gone to her parents. She was willing to kill herself rather that trying to figure out a way to work with them. She know she loves her parents but she can't figure out how to relate to them. That's something that comes with spending time with people. If you were taken at 2 years of age from your parents and then brought back 20 years later, there would be a distance and you could see that in the way the characters acted. As far as Isabelle not using her power like she would have as a child, it's because she's not a child. Give her time to adjust to her situation and she's going to be even more dangerous. To write a character off because of one episode is silly.
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I'm still not buying a child not gravitaing toward familiarity, love comfort and support when involved in serious stuff that is unfamiliar to you. She should have at least told her parents that from now on, she was going to confide in someone who felt it was ok to hit a 2yr old girl, and who had told her disturbing things. I think that they deserved to know that with all the evidence in front of her and dispite her ability to understand orther heavy duty concepts is too stupid to know not to hang with strangers who hits them the first time they meet.
As above, ya can't have it both ways.
Also, you don't know me (I don't think) and probably haven't read any of my posts from last year and are therefore unaware that I'm, one of Issy's biggest supporters. If you read closely, I wasn't putting Issy down but the writers who conviently makes her stupid in areas she should understand, being the gifted person she is (and with what she had read and "felt").
Again, I'm not buying it. Either she's able to understand what she's reading when she reads about what books call good or evil, and examples or she doesn't. Either after reading about "feelings" and "wanting to do something" she understands or not.
Every since Issy did the rednecks in the woods, there has been speculation over whether she's good or evil. How interesting that while brilliant in other areas she had to ask about good and evil. I'm not buying it.
It's lazy writers.
babyboomer
Jun 13 2006, 03:30 PM
p.s.
When Isabelle was a baby, she must have felt love towards her from Richard and Lily. She may have felt hate if it was Lily wanting the rednecks dead. While they were on the run, she should have felt her parent's anxiety.
Since she grew up over night all those things should be fresh in her mind (we're talking about a super baby here), so when she read about the defination of words like "love", "hate", "fear", "joy, "sorrow", etc (even, I would imagine---when Isabelle and Lily were so tightly bound---sexual desire) she understood.
She also must have felt the vibes Richard was giving off when he was arguring with Lily over her robbery, so when reading about "moral outrage", and how someone feels about another who did something "wrong/evil" she understood. Then, instead of asking about what to do vis a vis Good and Evil, she should have been intelligent enough then to decide on her own how she wanted other people to feel (wished them well or torture---and bumming out her dad if she chose torture).
She would have then played out various "good" and "evil" actions in her mind, and would see how SHE felt about doing the fake acts.
She got out of her crib and made it to the center and not only did she know Shawn/Sean's name, she also knew how to talk in paragraphs.
She should have, when reading the encyclopedia's and other materials, have, after reading the discriptions, known just about every feeling a human can have by matching them with the vibes Richard and/or Lily gave off at some point. "She was just a baby and wouldn't have remembered." She remembered the directions to the center and so, again, you can't have it both ways.
There was---other than the writers---no reason for her to ask Shawn/Sean about good and evil.
123MO
Jun 13 2006, 06:16 PM
I do not believe Isabelle asked Shawn about the definition of "good v evil" for the sake of needing to know. During this conversation about the topic she remarked to him that "so to you ....." I think she wanted to know his mind as he wanted to know if she enjoyed their time together....quid pro quo.
babyboomer
Jun 14 2006, 01:59 AM
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I do not believe Isabelle asked Shawn about the definition of "good v evil" for the sake of needing to know. During this conversation about the topic she remarked to him that "so to you ....." I think she wanted to know his mind as he wanted to know if she enjoyed their time together....quid pro quo.
You may be correct, as I mayself just felt it was something she threw out there for conversation. However, whether she's good or evil has been a dividing subject for some time. After this episode some people were then focusing (perhaps rightly) on the fact that to them her asking about good and evil was testament to her not knowing which way to go yet. We also have people who feel she's too new to to the world to have yet felt allot of different emotions and so does not really understand good and evil.
I tried to answer both of them by putting out some reasons why she---a smart empath---should both be smart enough to understand the concept of good and evil, and empathic enough to have felt the emotions for doing "evil" (the vibes Lily was projecting when doing her robbery). As I've also said, she felt Richard's emotions when someone he loved strayed.
She then would have reviewed the emotions and decided if she liked the way Lily felt when committing her crime, and if she cared one way or another if Richard felt bad towards her.
And so, no, she wasn't asking Shawn because she didn't understand or hadn't decided which way she wanted to go, because if I, a non genius (at least I think not, but I've never been tested) can figure out these logical steps of progressions within minutes of the events, then she, a genius with several hours to ponder, must surely have thought about what I've said (whether you feel she acted upon these thoughts or some others may be debatable, but I don't think it can be denied that it's very plausible she at least thought about these things).
I tried to show---to those who felt she was naive to understanding good and evil and that she really didn't know when talking to Shawn what it really meant and if she was still putty to be formed one way or another, that she couldn't help but completely understand good and evil, and that no matter what she says to people, it's a pretty good bet she's already decided which team she wants to play for.
babyboomer
Jun 14 2006, 02:10 AM
I forgot to say that I was also trying to show that it was no way she could be as stupid as the writers make her out to be (hanging with someone who assults her and doesn't discuss with her parents the fact that someone says they know what she's supposed to do, but doesn't ask her parents to verify his story. It just doesn't make sense).
Hemmy8
Jun 14 2006, 11:03 AM
Are we looking at this the right way? Izzy didn't feel pain when she jumped or when she burnt herself. Maybe she did feel pain when Matt slapped her. She was prepared for the pain she inflicted on herself, yet him slapping her was out of the clear blue sky. She wasn't prepared for it. Could that be? I could be way off base but... who knows?
As far as her seeming to be so naive she has just done some serious matureing and maybe her mind is catching up with her body. She is obviously gifted intellectually.. but how many geniuses do you know that were so supersmart yet couldn't fathom simple things? I'm curious as to see how the wrighters are gonna cover up some of thier "oopsies" that true fans will catch.
cubbi
Jun 14 2006, 12:53 PM
If the infant Isabel was only acting on vibes from her mother, to do harm to those posing a threat, then what about the time at the gas station where she gave her own father chest pain. He was not posing any threat to Lilly or Isabel. Now this Matthew Ross how does he know so much about Isabel, her powers, and what the future has in store for her. I am wondering if he is another 4400 and what power does he have.
babyboomer
Jun 14 2006, 02:21 PM
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Are we looking at this the right way? Izzy didn't feel pain when she jumped or when she burnt herself. Maybe she did feel pain when Matt slapped her. She was prepared for the pain she inflicted on herself, yet him slapping her was out of the clear blue sky. She wasn't prepared for it. Could that be? I could be way off base but... who knows?
As far as her seeming to be so naive she has just done some serious matureing and maybe her mind is catching up with her body. She is obviously gifted intellectually.. but how many geniuses do you know that were so supersmart yet couldn't fathom simple things? I'm curious as to see how the wrighters are gonna cover up some of thier "oopsies" that true fans will catch.
Yes, I know what you're saying. I'm not quite sure if it was getting the correct change to buy something, or balancing a check book but I believe Einstein had one of those problems.
The other point I was trying to make is "Why this one?".
Boards were hot last year over whether she was good or evil, and so I find it a strange coincident that that just happens to be the question she's confused about.
There's no doubt the writers knew about the posts and decided to use it to keep people hanging.
One of the reasons people say aliens can't be visiting us is of the vast distances to travel. I saw a physicist on a show saying that was an earth centric way of thinking, and for all we know, there are aliens out there who have no problem with starting a journey and having their decedents finish it. Perhaps there are aliens out there whose society has created ways to live for millions of years and so a trip of millions of years means nothing to them.
I feel that may be the same thing here and that's why you're willing to cut the writers some slack,
Yes, NORMAL human immature brains behave in such a manner. What has Isabelle done to make you think she's normal?
She had to understand something of right and wrong when she initially felt it was "wrong" for her to live at the expense of her mother's life. We saw her feeling bad about her mother's ailment. How many "normal" humans to you think would be so sophisticated to have those feelings and understand all that after growing 20 years overnight?
Issy has almost always been aware (that would explain why she came out talking), and it's very very likely that this not-normal baby picked up very well on the vibes from her parents and understood. Remember, she initiated actions on her own as a babe, and if she did some things because of how Lily felt, then this obviously not normal baby should very well have associated certain acts/events with the emotions put out at the time.
I'm telling you, she's not as dumb as the writers make her out to be (or, rather, not as dumb as she WOULDN'T BE if they weren't cheating).
I also feel we shouldn't push our normal baby traits on an obvious not normal superbaby.
I'm firmly convinced that had the writers not been aware of the buzz on the boards about her leanings, that question would never been asked. Reading between my lines here you'll see that what I'm saying here is that they had already decided what kind of person she is to be, and had no plans at all of making it an issue until they read it on the boards and that was when they decided to cheat.
Let's remember folks, this was never supposed to be a series but just a mini-series. Now, with the mini-series ending with her eminent birth with trees bowing to her, don't you think they knew what kind of baby (good or evil) they werte bringing into the world in their LAST episode of the mini-series? Come-on people!! Quit being so generous to the writers and trying to find justification for
their laziness.
Gina281
Jun 14 2006, 03:05 PM
But then why bring the show back, waste their money to give us something as sloppy as this? This season (if you call it that) is just a little too shark bait. Does anyone know if there is any future shootings for this going on? These long breaks are what kill these shows and poor writing does the rest in.
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