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Snugglebum

Jun 10 2006, 02:52 PM

Here is a guy that I haven't seen discussed! What do you all think he is up too?

plothunter

Jun 11 2006, 08:53 AM

convincing people to do the immoral thing, for a modest fee

Purpleyin

Jun 11 2006, 11:28 AM

I think he's just doing his job to keep the centre going. I don't think he's any more or less morally grey than Jordan was, just that Matthew isn't quite as good at disguising his manipulations sometimes. He's more blunt.

What I'd like to know is how he got involved in this, apart from it being his job, hired by Jordan. Does he view the 4400 as a positive force for humanity, even if he doesn't believe the center's ideology? Is he neutral more or less to them? I'd say his actions protecting them in the season finale say he at least cares for them as people for some reason, though whether it's financially related to the center's future or genuine, I'm not sure. I don't think he's bad but I'm not sure what he's for.

I'm also interested in his past - like did he know Jordan before hand? Did Jordan persuade him to work there in the event of his death or was he happy to take that responsibility? I'm just curious why he's there exactly.

Fanwoman

Jun 11 2006, 12:32 PM

I'm with PurpleYin. Just because his methods and professed motivations are not too nice doesn't mean he's a baddie. After all, it's because of his prodding that Shawn reconciled with his brother. There's this little scene in Rebirth that I totally forgot about until I saw it again the other day. Ross comes up to the office, and Shawn's secretary says he's out for the evening. Ross gets a big, satisfied grin and leaves because he knows Shawn had finally gone home.

With Collier dead, Shawn was under a lot of stress. What was it Ross said? "Regain your footing or fall on your ass." Bluntly said, but true none the less. What Shawn needed was someone to lean on, but there was no way he would have turned to his family for help despite it being the best move he could make for himself. So Ross convinced Shawn to reconnect with his mother and brother for the good of The Center. In the end, Shawn reconciled with Danny, and Shawn's life got better.

Laciel

Jun 11 2006, 12:45 PM

I've been wondering about him as well. He does seem to have made thier cause his own, and I'm wondering what he thinks he is going to get out of it.

plothunter

Jun 11 2006, 04:29 PM

Yeah, I agree he's just being the shrewd businessman you have to be these days, I guess. Politics schmolitics

trixobel

Jun 11 2006, 10:27 PM

Did you see the way he slapped Isobelle? And how he knew what would kill her and supposedly has told her what her purpose is? And that he knows Jordan is alive but wishes to keep him away from Isobelle? Now, I am not a big fan of Isobelle ever since she made her half-sister ill from an outrageous case of sibling rivalry, but that slap was more than what I would call a blunt approach. I think he is evil and was sent by someone working against Sean and Jordan's interests, perhaps some rival faction from the future.

gNito

Jun 11 2006, 10:39 PM

Am I the only one that saw him take a phone call and say they will have to keep Colier away from Isabel? He knows Colier is back and had a picture of him. Who is this guy and just who is he working for?

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 10:40 PM

you all do know that he IS collier, right?

gNito

Jun 11 2006, 10:42 PM

Mathew is not Colier. How can you say that? LOL

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 10:43 PM

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Mathew is not Colier. How can you say that? LOL

im pretty sure

trixobel

Jun 11 2006, 10:44 PM

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Am I the only one that saw him take a phone call and say they will have to keep Colier away from Isabel? He knows Colier is back and had a picture of him. Who is this guy and just who is he working for?

You're not the only one...see my post above!

And also to the person who believes that Matthew is Collier, please see a repeat of the last five minutes of the season finale of Season 2. 'Nuf said.

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 10:46 PM

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Am I the only one that saw him take a phone call and say they will have to keep Colier away from Isabel? He knows Colier is back and had a picture of him. Who is this guy and just who is he working for?

You're not the only one...see my post above!

And also to the person who believes that Matthew is Collier, please see a repeat of the last five minutes of the season finale of Season 2. 'Nuf said.

yea' like wierd stuff hasn't happened on this show...they set it up so they can take any cop-out and explain it with powers

gNito

Jun 11 2006, 10:48 PM

Ah. Part of the rival faction from the future. I always thought that group was controlling Kyle too.

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 10:49 PM

all i can say guys is that i KNOW he is collier

GroovyGuru

Jun 11 2006, 10:52 PM

what logical sense would it make to 1) have Jordan appear as someone else, 2) show Jordan at the end of season 2, and 3) have this person who is supposedly Jordan in disguise try to keep Jordan away from Isabelle?

I'm more and more leaning toward the earlier thought in this post that Matthew may be a hinderance. He likes the income, the publicity, perhaps even the "war." But maybe he doesn't want the right thing to happen, which may or may not involve Jordan and Isabelle.

Then again, perhaps he doesn't realize that Jordan is a different person now and wants the future to progress properly (as opposed to the way he ran the center at the beginning). Maybe Matthew thinks Jordan is a threat to the 4400...

Then again, that manipulative pipsqueak probably likes the power he has over Shawn and the others...

Tronix

Jun 11 2006, 10:53 PM

maybe mathew is collier never thought of it that way that does explain why he slapped Isabell I mean come on he is alittle ticked he got shocked and she didnt show him but maybe she didnt know. Anyhow i just dont think a stanger would have slapped someone for no reason cuz i mean i would have slapped him back or told shawn

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 10:54 PM

ok if he is jordan (and he is) by helping the 4400, he is close to and in control of isabelle. booyah

GroovyGuru

Jun 11 2006, 10:57 PM

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ok if he is jordan (and he is) by helping the 4400, he is close to and in control of isabelle. booyah

Then do a favor and explain why Matthew wants to keep *Jordan* away from Isabelle. And explain why we see *Jordan* at Mt. Ranier. If they are the same, then why the double identity?

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 10:59 PM

the inhibitor messed up his shape shifting ability so he got all colliery and went back there. and he's using that as an excuse to keep jordan (himself) close.

GroovyGuru

Jun 11 2006, 11:08 PM

interesting. i don't buy it though. how about this:

Jordan was killed. His body was snatched by the future and then returned weeks later. In the meantime, someone named Matthew Ross came in to assist Shawn. And now Matthew is so used to his power he doesn't want Jordan to come along and mess it up.

And then it turns out that Matthew is a shapeshifter from the future who, upon being unmasked by Scooby Doo and his Mystery Machine rag-tag group of friends, turns out to be noneother than Mr. Farnsworth, the carnival owner (played, of course, by Mr. Don Rickles). Then the Vogons come along and destroy the earth.

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 11:09 PM

ok, don't believe me(im not lying)

GroovyGuru

Jun 11 2006, 11:14 PM

seriously though, i *can* see where you're coming from. i just don't know if i agree with your angle. it would seem bizarre to me that, under promicin inhibitation Jordan could resurrect himself, and then change shapes, and then assume dual personalities. you have to admit the two do operate a bit differently...

i would be more inclined to belive that perhaps Matthew is an "evil" version of Jordan sent from the future (at a different time than the arrival of the 4400). perhaps Jordan, in the future, didn't like the way things turned out and decided to "fix" the events himself via Matthew.

who knows? guess we'll all just have to find out...

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 11:15 PM

he actually gor resurrected when shawn 'tried' to heal him...duh i thought everyone knew that...the shapeshifting would also help him get out of the coffin room

GroovyGuru

Jun 11 2006, 11:39 PM

dude, not to bust a hole in your theory... but don't you think the paramedics, doctors, coroner, and not to mention the embalmer would notice that he was not dead? it just doesn't add up...

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 11:39 PM

and you don't think the could cover all that up?

4400Fan88

Jun 11 2006, 11:44 PM

Nick, although i like your theory, i just thought of something. If he had the inhibitor in him, he would have inevitably gotten sick, and if he had gotten sick, how did he get better if he just went to the beach? He wouldnt have had a change to get promicin because if he went to get it, then his cover would have been blown.

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 11:45 PM

he's got 'people'...if he can buy national secrets im sure he can buy some cure.

ChadB

Jun 11 2006, 11:47 PM

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interesting. i don't buy it though. how about this:

Jordan was killed. His body was snatched by the future and then returned weeks later. In the meantime, someone named Matthew Ross came in to assist Shawn. And now Matthew is so used to his power he doesn't want Jordan to come along and mess it up.

And then it turns out that Matthew is a shapeshifter from the future who, upon being unmasked by Scooby Doo and his Mystery Machine rag-tag group of friends, turns out to be noneother than Mr. Farnsworth, the carnival owner (played, of course, by Mr. Don Rickles). Then the Vogons come along and destroy the earth.

Somebody needs to check with the zoning department at syrius 5 to SEE if there are any plans pending for an interstellar bypass through the back waters of the western spiral arm of the galaxy. Cause that would muck the whole thing up. And if there ARE plans then we better all stock up on towels and peanuts.

31105

Jun 11 2006, 11:48 PM

Not all the 4400 got sick though!

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 11:49 PM

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Not all the 4400 got sick though!

THANK YOU!

GroovyGuru

Jun 11 2006, 11:49 PM

i appreciate that you have your own opinion etc. but as for me, i'm going to choose the logical standpoint that your idea doesn't make any sense. there are too many holes, and that would just be bad writing if it turned out to be true. bad writing is not something i've really noticed in the 4400 as of yet.

also, in my opinion, you're trying too hard to push your theory - i've seen it in other posts. this turns people off to new ideas because you're not actually producing any viable logic to your theory.

i don't want to be one who discourages anyone or anything good, such as theorizing - please don't read me the wrong way. you're obviously gung-ho for the show like the rest of us and that's great! and willingness to post your ideas is a good thing. ideas makes us diverse, keeps us on our toes, and gives us that satisfying "yes!" feeling when we find out we're right.

so keep up the good work; but as for me, i don't believe anything more can come out of this train of thought just yet because enough information has not been revealed through the show.

thanks for the interesting discussion.

4400Fan88

Jun 11 2006, 11:49 PM

true...very true...man...i just want to know!!!!

trixobel

Jun 11 2006, 11:49 PM

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i would be more inclined to belive that perhaps Matthew is an "evil" version of Jordan sent from the future (at a different time than the arrival of the 4400). perhaps Jordan, in the future, didn't like the way things turned out and decided to "fix" the events himself via Matthew.

who knows? guess we'll all just have to find out...

Now, that, on the other hand, does work with all of the time continuum theories out there. I would be willing to believe that duality as well. Then nick's theory would be workable, but not shape-shifting and splitting into two people at once. But a future version of Collier come back to the time when the present one exits, perhaps sent by an evil faction working against the good faction. Yes, that could work very well.

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 11:52 PM

the shape shifting is a pure theory, but i know for a fact that matthew and jordan are the same person and shawn healed jordan and jordan is covering it up

4400Fan88

Jun 11 2006, 11:53 PM

how do you know FOR A FACT that matthew and jordan are the same?

GroovyGuru

Jun 11 2006, 11:53 PM

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the shape shifting is a pure theory, but i know for a fact that matthew and jordan are the same person and shawn healed jordan and jordan is covering it up

praytell... you've piqued my interest. how can one know this as a fact, unless one has either seen the upcoming episode or read the script where this is revealed?

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 11:54 PM

a 'busy bee' told me

4400Fan88

Jun 11 2006, 11:55 PM

is this "busy bee" someone on the inside?

ChadB

Jun 11 2006, 11:55 PM

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the shape shifting is a pure theory, but i know for a fact that matthew and jordan are the same person and shawn healed jordan and jordan is covering it up

praytell... you've piqued my interest. how can one know this as a fact, unless one has either seen the upcoming episode or read the script where this is revealed?

It's not impossible if he has a ship equipped with an improbability drive.

GroovyGuru

Jun 11 2006, 11:56 PM

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the shape shifting is a pure theory, but i know for a fact that matthew and jordan are the same person and shawn healed jordan and jordan is covering it up

praytell... you've piqued my interest. how can one know this as a fact, unless one has either seen the upcoming episode or read the script where this is revealed?

It's not impossible if he has a ship equipped with an improbability drive.

I don't know... the Campaign for Real Time might get after someone like that.

nickrules

Jun 11 2006, 11:56 PM

ok guys that's all i can say, but just look out for the shocking revalation.

LoveThe4400

Jun 11 2006, 11:59 PM

There will be no shocking revalation, if anything it would be a shocking revelation. But I don't think it's going to happen at least not in the real world of the 4400. Maybe it will happen in one of the fantasy worlds that Thomas and Alana have every so often.

Tazer79

Jun 12 2006, 12:06 AM

I like the idea of Jordan being a shape shifter, and Ross working for a rival faction. But I certianly don't think he is Jordan and vica versa. Jordan clearly looked a bit confused and dazed at the lake, and also if Shaun resurrected him, then he also would have taken care of the inhibitor. Thus, negating the possiblity of the inhibitor screwing with his powers. Besides, Matthew Ross is an established personality in thier world as a powerful lobbyist and press agent. So unless Jordan had the forethought to have Ross killed or something, then I don't think he'd be walking around looking like a powerful and known personality.

GroovyGuru

Jun 12 2006, 12:13 AM

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I like the idea of Jordan being a shape shifter, and Ross working for a rival faction. But I certianly don't think he is Jordan and vica versa. Jordan clearly looked a bit confused and dazed at the lake, and also if Shaun resurrected him, then he also would have taken care of the inhibitor. Thus, negating the possiblity of the inhibitor screwing with his powers. Besides, Matthew Ross is an established personality in thier world as a powerful lobbyist and press agent. So unless Jordan had the forethought to have Ross killed or something, then I don't think he'd be walking around looking like a powerful and known personality.

good point - i completely forgot that the Ross character was public before his venture into the world of the 4400...

Wolfbane

Jun 13 2006, 02:45 AM

Matthew Ross is the anti christ.

Hawkeye

Jun 13 2006, 09:53 AM

Matthew is not the anti christ. he has many hidden agendas. he does not want collier back so that he himself does not lose his seat of power. The advisor of the king is said to be the more powerful than the king because wen there is a problem he isnt blamed because he was just the advisor

Laciel

Jun 13 2006, 12:13 PM

The power behind the throne.

Hawkeye

Jun 13 2006, 12:15 PM

exactly in control but out of the spot light

Laciel

Jun 13 2006, 12:31 PM

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exactly in control but out of the spot light

Shawn also seems rather easy to control. His betrayal of the NOVA group aside.

And unless Isabella gets somesort of backbone she might be easy to control as well.