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#21 NCSU_Statesman

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 05:30 PM

I get that it's a pun on Benecio del Toro, but it still means to orally pleasure a bull.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 05:48 PM

I get that it's a pun on Benecio del Toro, but it still means to orally pleasure a bull.


Um...fellatio is simply oral sex on a man. Where are you getting the bestiality reference?
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 05:50 PM

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this....

Again, though, I would say please go back and watch from the beginning. I mean, in season 1 Shawn says at one point that his last name is "Ofteninherheine." Really? THAT was appropriate, but this season is not? Sigh...


Good one, I forgot all about that one and wasn't his mother's maiden name "buzzteets" because all of his family were farmers :lol: It's always been there, it just seems to get pointed out a lot more <_<


It seems to get pointed out more because the sexual innuendo was cleverly concealed in the writing as opposed to just laying it out there as they have on more occasions in recent years. There is a coarseness to it that wasn't present in earlier seasons, I believe.

I get that it's a pun on Benecio del Toro, but it still means to orally pleasure a bull.

Couldn't it also be translated as orally pleasuring a brand of lawnmower? I don't think fellatio is a Spanish word.:P

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 05:58 PM

It seems to get pointed out more because the sexual innuendo was cleverly concealed in the writing as opposed to just laying it out there as they have on more occasions in recent years. There is a coarseness to it that wasn't present in earlier seasons, I believe.


Couldn't it also be translated as orally pleasuring a brand of lawnmower? I don't think fellatio is a Spanish word.:P


Yeah, you have to watch out for those sexy lawnmowers Posted Image You can lose all inhibitions around them. Posted Image

I get that it's a pun on Benecio del Toro, but it still means to orally pleasure a bull.


*is confused*

Yeah, it might mean that where you are, but it doesn't mean that anywhere else. Or anywhere I know of at least Posted Image

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 06:01 PM

"del Toro" means "of the bull." Hence, fellatio of the bull. It's part of the joke, and a lot edgier than veiled anal sex references.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 06:05 PM

It seems to get pointed out more because the sexual innuendo was cleverly concealed in the writing as opposed to just laying it out there as they have on more occasions in recent years. There is a coarseness to it that wasn't present in earlier seasons, I believe.


Cleverly laid out as in:
*asking Gus if he's watching Korean porn in Spelling Bee
*Shawn saying, "I want to talk to that cat as soon as he's done licking himself... wow, I'm jealous." in 9 Lives
*Shawn telling Gus that they could have hung their hats on....the naked guy's "parts" in He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not
*The entire title of Poker? I Barely Know Her
*There's Something About Mira: Shawn says, "Just call me the suck-stopper. No, wait. Don't ever call me that."
*Almost the entire episode of Lights, Camera, Homicidio is double entendre and innuendo

These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head, not to mention Shawn's various sexual partners throughout the first few seasons. This is not a show for kids, it's always been filled with sexual innuendo and straight up, obvious comments and situations involving sex. That's the way it is. I mean, every time Shawn or Gus says something about "getting up in there," that's what they're talking about. When they do that thing with their hands where all their fingers are together and they pump them up....that's a sexual hand gesture that they created. It means "get up in there."
This has been present in Psych from the get-go and I'm unsure why people are suddenly all up in arms about it...
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 06:09 PM

"del Toro" means "of the bull." Hence, fellatio of the bull. It's part of the joke, and a lot edgier than veiled anal sex references.


Eh, even if I had caught onto the joke in the first place, it still wouldn't have bothered me. I don't get why everyone is being so politically correct these days. I swear to God, I've seen things on the internet that makes Psych look like a kiddies morning program. Posted Image Sure, I may be emotionally hardened to almost everything and I get that some people aren't... but even if I wasn't practically dead inside, I still wouldn't find Psych offensive in any way, shape or form.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 06:20 PM

Cleverly laid out as in:
*asking Gus if he's watching Korean porn in Spelling Bee
*Shawn saying, "I want to talk to that cat as soon as he's done licking himself... wow, I'm jealous." in 9 Lives
*Shawn telling Gus that they could have hung their hats on....the naked guy's "parts" in He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not
*The entire title of Poker? I Barely Know Her
*There's Something About Mira: Shawn says, "Just call me the suck-stopper. No, wait. Don't ever call me that."
*Almost the entire episode of Lights, Camera, Homicidio is double entendre and innuendo

These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head, not to mention Shawn's various sexual partners throughout the first few seasons. This is not a show for kids, it's always been filled with sexual innuendo and straight up, obvious comments and situations involving sex. That's the way it is. I mean, every time Shawn or Gus says something about "getting up in there," that's what they're talking about. When they do that thing with their hands where all their fingers are together and they pump them up....that's a sexual hand gesture that they created. It means "get up in there."
This has been present in Psych from the get-go and I'm unsure why people are suddenly all up in arms about it...


Every new half season someone comes on the board and complains about the show using bad language, or worse writing or horrible shirts or WHATEVER. People complain on the message board! It's always part of a new season. But most of those instances from earlier seasons you mentioned were more clever. Like I posted earlier, the language of television has become more coarse.
There was an article in the LA Times just today about a study by the PTC that found the use of the words penis and vagina have risen by blah blah percentage on broadcast TV since 2001. So it follows that if writers don't have to be as careful in hiding certain words that were verboten in prior years, that liberalism would then begin to include other words or phrases not previously allowed. So it is a thing. It's not people being more sensitive to it. And people will push back against coarse speech that they would give a pass to if it had been written as a clever play on words. Give me a "Ofteninherheine" over a "Gus loses control of his bladder during intercourse" any day! Or something like that, anyway!:P

Edited by MarthanotGeorge, 21 March 2012 - 06:23 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2012 - 06:45 PM

Every new half season someone comes on the board and complains about the show using bad language, or worse writing or horrible shirts or WHATEVER. People complain on the message board! It's always part of a new season. But most of those instances from earlier seasons you mentioned were more clever. Like I posted earlier, the language of television has become more coarse.
There was an article in the LA Times just today about a study by the PTC that found the use of the words penis and vagina have risen by blah blah percentage on broadcast TV since 2001. So it follows that if writers don't have to be as careful in hiding certain words that were verboten in prior years, that liberalism would then begin to include other words or phrases not previously allowed. So it is a thing. It's not people being more sensitive to it. And people will push back against coarse speech that they would give a pass to if it had been written as a clever play on words. Give me a "Ofteninherheine" over a "Gus loses control of his bladder during intercourse" any day! Or something like that, anyway!:P


I get what you are saying about things becoming more overtly coarse over time, in general, but I still think that in the case of Psych, some of what was said in Season 1 isn't overly different from what is being said now. I guess I just still don't see the problem here because it's not like they were totally innocent at the beginning of the series. There were just so many moments of sexual comments and sexual indiscretions then, but now people are all upset about it. I just don't think that what they are saying and doing now is totally and completely incongruous with how these characters were acting and speaking at the beginning of the series.
I guess I might be alone in this, and I do like that we can agree and disagree on the boards, but I think that bringing this particular topic up every single week is overkill.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 04:26 PM

I think it's hypocritical of the writers to be saying "we can't add blood on the account of the fact that it's a family show" from STASITD commentary where they were originally supposed to show the bullet penetrating Shawn's shoulder, yet lately there has been quite a few outspoken crude jokes that aren't meant to be on "family shows". That's what bothers me the most. It's either a family show or not. Don't switch after 5 seasons of it!

Also, in the earlier seasons those dirty jokes were a lot less noticeable.

For me, I never thought Shawn would be the type of guy to rely on dirty jokes (or dumb jokes in S6's case) all the time. I don't find them funny. I find them cringe-worthy.

That being said, I wouldn't MIND the jokes so much if it weren't for the fact that Psych has been changing ALOT this season.

And not for the better.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 05:52 PM

I think it's hypocritical of the writers to be saying "we can't add blood on the account of the fact that it's a family show" from STASITD commentary where they were originally supposed to show the bullet penetrating Shawn's shoulder, yet lately there has been quite a few outspoken crude jokes that aren't meant to be on "family shows". That's what bothers me the most. It's either a family show or not. Don't switch after 5 seasons of it!

Also, in the earlier seasons those dirty jokes were a lot less noticeable.

For me, I never thought Shawn would be the type of guy to rely on dirty jokes (or dumb jokes in S6's case) all the time. I don't find them funny. I find them cringe-worthy.

That being said, I wouldn't MIND the jokes so much if it weren't for the fact that Psych has been changing ALOT this season.

And not for the better.


I still don't see how it's changing a lot, as you say, in terms of inappropriateness this season as opposed to last season. Evidence of this anywhere? How is it more appropriate to ask Jules if they can have some "heavy petting" last season and this year be worse in terms of "crude" jokes?

Also, in the commentary they say it was a network reason why they couldn't show it. They also say that they wanted there to be a LOT of blood and gore when he saw his shoulder shot. There's been blood before, so that wasn't the issue.

I don't see Shawn relying on, as you say, dirty or dumb jokes, any more this season than in seasons past. Did you read my other posts? They are there starting from Season 1.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:03 PM

I don't see Shawn relying on, as you say, dirty or dumb jokes, any more this season than in seasons past. Did you read my other posts? They are there starting from Season 1.


Season one Shawn was more witty, brilliant-minded, hyperactive, and a little more mature, that's why those jokes didn't bother me as much. It balanced out his character. About the dumb jokes - dude "can I walk without my appendix?". Shawn used to make these lines to get a rile out of Gus and Henry...now I'm not so sure.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:17 PM

Season one Shawn was more witty, brilliant-minded, hyperactive, and a little more mature, that's why those jokes didn't bother me as much. It balanced out his character. About the dumb jokes - dude "can I walk without my appendix?". Shawn used to make these lines to get a rile out of Gus and Henry...now I'm not so sure.


But hasn't that always been Shawn's way? He acts stupid as a mechanism for people not to expect too much out of him. He has HUGE gaps in his knowledge, or pretends to, which make his brilliant moments all that much more brilliant.
He's been immature from the get-go, and I do agree with you that they have dumbed Shawn down over the seasons, but I don't agree that he is dependent on dirty jokes, which you also call dumb jokes, in all situations...
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:21 PM

But hasn't that always been Shawn's way? He acts stupid as a mechanism for people not to expect too much out of him. He has HUGE gaps in his knowledge, or pretends to, which make his brilliant moments all that much more brilliant.
He's been immature from the get-go, and I do agree with you that they have dumbed Shawn down over the seasons, but I don't agree that he is dependent on dirty jokes, which you also call dumb jokes, in all situations...


That's my point! He doesn't even seem to be PRETENDING anymore!! And no, you misunderstood, the "dirty" and the "dumb" jokes were separate.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:33 PM

That's my point! He doesn't even seem to be PRETENDING anymore!! And no, you misunderstood, the "dirty" and the "dumb" jokes were separate.


I am totally in agreement with you about dumbing down Shawn. B) I think that there are times when he isn't pretending anymore either. :blink: I can see where you are coming from on the dumb jokes as well, and I do agree with that. I think the dirty jokes have always been around, but I wholeheartedly agree with you about the "dumbing down" issues. <_<
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:39 PM

I am totally in agreement with you about dumbing down Shawn. B) I think that there are times when he isn't pretending anymore either. :blink: I can see where you are coming from on the dumb jokes as well, and I do agree with that. I think the dirty jokes have always been around, but I wholeheartedly agree with you about the "dumbing down" issues. Posted Image


I do hope writers have a plan to redeem his character! I wanna see more moments of him using his head and solving a crime like a piece of puzzle. That to me is the sexiest thing about Shawn :D

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:07 PM

I totally agree. I don't care at all about the dirty jokes, and I don't feel they detract from the show at all. But the dumb Shawn act has pissed me off since season 5. Shawn in season 3 vs. Shawn now is sooo different. There are still times where you see the really smart/funny character from back then, but it's not enough in my opinion. On that note, I think Juliet has also changed for the worse. I loved how she used to be all-for Gus's and Shawn's antics and way less serious than Lassiter. Now she's so much more boring. They need to look at season 3 and try and fix things. And, oops, that really had nothing to do with this thread.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:43 PM

People who complain should get over it, stop whining and go watch Nickelodeon or Disney and let the adults watch an AWESOMELY written show. I love this show and think it gets better with each season.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:43 PM

Season one Shawn was more witty, brilliant-minded, hyperactive, and a little more mature, that's why those jokes didn't bother me as much. It balanced out his character. About the dumb jokes - dude "can I walk without my appendix?". Shawn used to make these lines to get a rile out of Gus and Henry...now I'm not so sure.


The scene I keep going back to is Season 2's Psy vs. Psy, the first meeting of Shawn and Agent Ewing ("Agent Ewing with the FTD." "You're a special florist?" "Federal Treasury Department." "We have a department for treasures?" "This goes against every federal bone in my body, but who are you guys?" "I'm not familiar with the federal bone. Is that by the hip bone or the knee bone?") Sure, he's playing dumb here, but that's just it -- he's playing, amusing himself and trying to get a rise out of the stiff, humorless agent.

Compare that to Shawn in Doo-Wop: "They have a camp for boots?" "Gus, will you donate your appendix?" It's the same sort of dialogue as the earlier ep., only now he isn't kidding. The writers seem to be on a Shawn's-an-idiot-who-solves-a-case-once-in-a-while kick. Honestly, if he'd been written like this in season 1, I wonder if the police would have even hired him in the first place.

Granted, I thought Doo-Wop was one of the better episodes of the season in terms of Shawn's character. But the scene in season 2 made me laugh; this season, it just made me cringe. Guess it's all in the writing.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:51 PM

The scene I keep going back to is Season 2's Psy vs. Psy, the first meeting of Shawn and Agent Ewing ("Agent Ewing with the FTD." "You're a special florist?" "Federal Treasury Department." "We have a department for treasures?" "This goes against every federal bone in my body, but who are you guys?" "I'm not familiar with the federal bone. Is that by the hip bone or the knee bone?") Sure, he's playing dumb here, but that's just it -- he's playing, amusing himself and trying to get a rise out of the stiff, humorless agent.

Compare that to Shawn in Doo-Wop: "They have a camp for boots?" "Gus, will you donate your appendix?" It's the same sort of dialogue as the earlier ep., only now he isn't kidding. The writers seem to be on a Shawn's-an-idiot-who-solves-a-case-once-in-a-while kick. Honestly, if he'd been written like this in season 1, I wonder if the police would have even hired him in the first place.

Granted, I thought Doo-Wop was one of the better episodes of the season in terms of Shawn's character. But the scene in season 2 made me laugh; this season, it just made me cringe. Guess it's all in the writing.


I honestly wonder what the hell happened in season 6. Did they hire new writers or something?

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