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#1 MrWestmoreland

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Posted 31 May 2011 - 08:35 PM

So big ole' Andy finally decided to wake up and smell the roses....good...he's gonna need that wake up call if he wants to defeat a very talented Luke.
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Posted 31 May 2011 - 09:03 PM

I'm still trying to figure out how Luke has been training wih Atlas for almost 4 years and till' now, he is noticed?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Posted 01 June 2011 - 12:21 AM

So big ole' Andy finally decided to wake up and smell the roses....good...he's gonna need that wake up call if he wants to defeat a very talented Luke.








Andy is my favorite too.





Luke has some issues to deal with should he win as well. I don't believe anyone should, or would care that he is a gay performer, but the "boys in the locker room" take their wrestling/art-form seriously, and Luke, who has been gay wrestling in the BG East (There is another thread here on the board about his Donnie Drake character) will likely have to deal with this as cockiness/arrogant persona on this show will likely conflict with what the WWE boys will view him as.




I really dislike Luke. Just way too cocky for me.




Andy is a family man, and obviously loves his, he has that big-guy thing going, and I think he will be a better performer than Luke.




Luyke has obviously polished his skills (after training with Atlas) doing the gay video thing with BG. I haven't traveled to their site, and doubt I will, but after reading that post, I saw a saw a similar one on the Yahoo boards where nhis ring name was displayed. Pretty embarrassing for Luke, but it all makes sense now...his "bromance" with Jeremiah, his love of getting slapped, etc.)




Now that this is out, and public, it must be tough for ol' Luke.



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Posted 02 June 2011 - 12:58 AM

I think Luke knew what he was getting into. He had to know that it would come out eventually.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 04:28 PM

Seems pretty prejudiced to me to assume that Luke and Jeremiah's friendship was one-sided romantic just because you find out Luke is gay. Seemed to me just like an ordinary boysy type friendship. And please, all wrestlers like slaps. Slaps are cool. It's part of the whole "I can dish out / take worse than you can!" type fun.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 06:09 AM

Seems pretty prejudiced to me to assume that Luke and Jeremiah's friendship was one-sided romantic just because you find out Luke is gay. Seemed to me just like an ordinary boysy type friendship. And please, all wrestlers like slaps. Slaps are cool. It's part of the whole "I can dish out / take worse than you can!" type fun.



Jane...you made it clear in another thread/post here that you are bisexual. My comments are not a slap directed at persons who engage in sexual relations with members of their own sex, but Luke's unusual bromance with Jeremiah, wrestling on his bed with him while Jeremiah was in his underwear is clearly something I would never do, and I realized then that Luke has "interests" in men, before any of these reports surfaced whatsoever. Imagine you and I working out in our wrestling gear, tights, long spandex pants, singlet's, whatever. Your boyfriend caught us. He would likely imagine we were doing just that, working out/training. Now, imagine we were doing it while you are/were in your panties, skivvies, underwear. It changes the outlook entirely, and that they were doing it on Jeremiah's bed just exacerbates it.

The slap thing is a clear indicator now too because they were out to dinner with the Bella twins, and Kelly Kelly, obviously some very beautiful women, and Luke showed no interest in them whatsoever, but almost "glowed" when Jeremiah slapped him, and if you watch the re-runs, you can even see one of the twins making a face, as though she realized it too. Luke showed no interest in those girls, and even given the chance to at least discuss wrestling with them, he continued to focus his attentions on Jeremiah. At least this is what they showed us on tv.

It WAS over the top, and now that this is public, it makes sense. This all happened, and the fact that we know about Luke's life now and are discussing it here is not a slight, not in the least.

I could care less if Luke is gay. I feel bad for him because I think that the best part about being a man is getting to be a dad, and while he may have a chance to adopt someday, he won't ever father his own child, but outside of that, if this is what his life is, I hope it's a god one.

THa gay wrestling thing may offend the boys in the locker room. I never wrestled in any of the majors, but did wrestle for a little while until an accident changed my life entirely, and my father was a boyhood friend of Tony Altimore (Lou Albano's tag team partner when they were the "Sicilians", and my brothers and I were in the locker room many times, and right through the mid eighties, I had friendly relationships with several pro's who I grew to be friends with growing up. My two closest friends were/are David Sammartino, and for a while, Kerry Von Erich.

They take their business seriously, and view what they do as an art, that most others are not capable of.

Luke wrestled in a federation that takes that art form and corrupts it into a form of pornography, and I just don't think that Luke will be well received in the locker room at all. His entire persona on this show is based on/around arrogance, and cockiness, and looking down on others, and now that this whole gay wrestling thing is out in the open, he has a tough road to hoe.

Edited by kmer2, 04 June 2011 - 11:38 AM.


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Posted 04 June 2011 - 07:43 AM

Seems pretty prejudiced to me to assume that Luke and Jeremiah's friendship was one-sided romantic just because you find out Luke is gay. Seemed to me just like an ordinary boysy type friendship. And please, all wrestlers like slaps. Slaps are cool. It's part of the whole "I can dish out / take worse than you can!" type fun.


Just one more thing I wanted to elaborate on.

You state that all wrestlers like slaps. I grew up in, and around wrestling.

I was a High School State Champion, wrestled in college, and trained with Dr. D. David Schultz in Orange, Ct.

I wrestled indies for approximately a year and a half, and then, at 24, I was hit by a truck while I was jogging home from the local YMCA.

I know enough about wrestling, have friends who do, have friends who are current pro's, and know and speak with, and to a few of former WWF/WWE Superstars.

I have never heard any of them EVER state that they like being slapped, but you have my word, this weekend, I will try to speak with several of them, and get their opinion on receiving slaps from their friends.

I have not made any prejudicial statements, and am not prejudiced at all, and never have been.

#8 JaneAlanaRoss

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:24 PM

I'm really sorry, it seems recently all my words have just been coming out of my mouth (or typing fingers) in the worst possible ways. I've been offending people left right and center and all I can really do is step back and apologise for it. :(

I feel really bad right now.
I didn't know that wrestling federation people were talking about was a pornographic one.

I have not been training for any length of time sufficient to consider myself to know anything more than anybody else, and it's really unlike me to be assuming and cocky and possibly disrespectful like that. Which reading it back I can now see the "slaps" comment was. I was picking up on something I like and a couple other people seem to and plastering that image over everyone else, which makes me ashamed since that's something I'll often have a go at other people for doing. I said it in a jokey way but that's no excuse really, especially over the internet where the level of jokeyness is so often quite hidden. I was trying to think of where that comment might have come from to be honest, and it's probably that I just have a strong desire to belong, and present myself as one of the clan, and so I thought I knew about something I didn't and didn't apply my usual thinking process to it but instead jumped straight to the "hey, I know something!" bit.

I feel quite ashamed. Kinda hate myself at the moment, I've done a lot of things I despise people doing in a few days' worth of comments on various sites. Without really meaning it but nevertheless the doing of it is the point. Well, shame is nonetheless a part of life. Seems to hit me hard but eh I must dust it off and get back up and keep talking nonetheless. Or else I'll only make the same mistakes again.

Don't know what else to say.
Casting shadows over the characters of other people I don't know.
Being ill-mannered toward something I love.
I hang my head. :(

#9 JaneAlanaRoss

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:44 PM

Also I'm really sorry to hear of your being hit by a truck, that's very sad.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 05:42 PM

I'm really sorry, it seems recently all my words have just been coming out of my mouth (or typing fingers) in the worst possible ways. I've been offending people left right and center and all I can really do is step back and apologise for it. :(

I feel really bad right now.
I didn't know that wrestling federation people were talking about was a pornographic one.

I have not been training for any length of time sufficient to consider myself to know anything more than anybody else, and it's really unlike me to be assuming and cocky and possibly disrespectful like that. Which reading it back I can now see the "slaps" comment was. I was picking up on something I like and a couple other people seem to and plastering that image over everyone else, which makes me ashamed since that's something I'll often have a go at other people for doing. I said it in a jokey way but that's no excuse really, especially over the internet where the level of jokeyness is so often quite hidden. I was trying to think of where that comment might have come from to be honest, and it's probably that I just have a strong desire to belong, and present myself as one of the clan, and so I thought I knew about something I didn't and didn't apply my usual thinking process to it but instead jumped straight to the "hey, I know something!" bit.

I feel quite ashamed. Kinda hate myself at the moment, I've done a lot of things I despise people doing in a few days' worth of comments on various sites. Without really meaning it but nevertheless the doing of it is the point. Well, shame is nonetheless a part of life. Seems to hit me hard but eh I must dust it off and get back up and keep talking nonetheless. Or else I'll only make the same mistakes again.

Don't know what else to say.
Casting shadows over the characters of other people I don't know.
Being ill-mannered toward something I love.
I hang my head. :(



JAne...


From the bottom of my heart, please accept my apology.

The challenge with e-mails, and posting in forums is that you cannot see me, hear my speak, meaning my tone of voice, or inflection, and that can have a meaningful impact on how you interpret anyone's words.

Yes...I responded to you, but I hope you believe me that if was sitting next to you, they would not cause you to sit back and examine your own. At all.

I understand that you have a great outlook, and are very understanding, and I believe that you would make a great spokesperson in these new "It get's better" ad's.

Please, again, accept my apology. I did not mean for you to read, and take my words as a "beatdown", or a "harsh" reply. I wish you could have sitting next to me, enjoying a pint while we discussed it.

I hope you continue to post here. I am sure we will enjoy each other's company.

I'm still pulling for Andy though.

As a father, and husband, I just appreciate his outlook, and his ,love for his family. I do not view his tears as a sign of weakness. I think that those tears demonstrated what kind of man he really is, and it must be excruciating for him to be separated from his family. I have twins, and I love my wife and home. I would have likely been under the same stress, and cried as well.

Hope we can speak again.

Kyle

#11 JaneAlanaRoss

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 06:54 PM

Eh no need to apologise, I think all of this mixyness just goes to prove how tricky a medium the typed word can be.
I hold myself to a high standard of conduct... and others... maybe I need to mellow a bit. :)

Maybe just being in a financially-stressed time at the moment (I don't like stopping training because of money) is what's causing all this uptightness in me. And a bit of panic I suppose. I agree on how Andy's tears don't seem like a sign of weakness. Lol @ me suggesting before that he might do well to loosen up a bit whilst not thinking of applying the same advice to myself. But since that last show I think he has.

I really didn't see all the fooling around as an attraction thing but I haven't gone back and re-watched those bits... I guess from what you say, if I did I probably would see them in a different light. I hate that word "bromance" though... ugh... people in general, call it a friendship or don't, lol. What a stupid trendy word.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 06:56 PM

Also I'm really sorry to hear of your being hit by a truck, that's very sad.


Thank-you for that remark, and the sentiment behind it. After all those surgeries, and pain, comments, and sentiments just like that just feel very, very good. Much appreciated!!

Nothing to hang your head about either.

I know very well that GLBT people have many prejudices to worry about daily, and if in fact you believed I was denigrating Luke because of his sexuality, then you right on the money in defending him, but I hope that by now you can realize that I was not.

I am just horrified though when I think about Luke winning this thing.

Imagine he does, and then gets some tv exposure, and even gets popular.

Now think about a couple of ten, eleven, and twelve year old kids sitting around after school, and they begin to discuss pro wrestlers, and one says "I love Luke Robinson", and then they google him.

Now picture them opening a web page that shows Luke in the middle of one his BG East Fed matches, in the "heat of passion", completely naked with another man, doing what they would be doing.

I cannot imagine that the WWE would even begin to allow for this sort of possibility, and in fact, I think they have a moral, ethical, and downright legal obligation to insure that it never can happen.

TNA Impact just this week backed out of an arrangement/offer made to Chyna due to her new "porno" being released this month thru Vivid Entertainment.

TNA Impact is very small in scope, but they have a fan base, and they were concerned about the backlash.

Now, with the WWE's marketing muscle, if Luke were to ever gain any sort of popularity, how could they not fear what would happen, and what would the BG East Fed do, knowing very well that they could capitalize off of Luke's new found fame??

I just think this a mess, and had this all come out back in March when they actually made, and produced this show, then Luke may have been sent home way back then.

Anyway Jane, I hope that you and I are cool. I truly meant no disrespect when writing back. We likely would have had a laugh or two while sharing a pint while having the very same conversation we had here in writing.


Kyle

#13 JaneAlanaRoss

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:06 PM

Yep cool, are you like on facebook or something because I'll probably be checking that more often than coming here now that the show's nearly over and also now that I figure trying to get on the next tough enough is maybe a bit unrealistic for me after all, distance n'all.

Edit: never mind saying on here, I found the PM feature of this board.

Edited by JaneAlanaRoss, 05 June 2011 - 07:16 PM.


#14 kmer2

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:38 PM

Yep cool, are you like on facebook or something because I'll probably be checking that more often than coming here now that the show's nearly over and also now that I figure trying to get on the next tough enough is maybe a bit unrealistic for me after all, distance n'all.

Edit: never mind saying on here, I found the PM feature of this board.



I am on facebook, although I don't go on very much. My wife is on daily, along with my kids, and she follows the family for me, but I go on once a week or so.

I am Kyle Merritt. If you friend me, I will confirm, and it would be neat to have another friend, especially one across the "pond"

DO NOT give up on your quest. You may very well end up on the show. Imagine a talented woman from the UK traveling all the way over here to compete for her dream job!!

I have to imagine that will go a looooong way with SCSA and the other judges/instructors!

Just remember to speak your mind, and don't back down, but above all else, show up in superior shape, to the point where you stand tall above the others. Do your cardio, but that alone won't cut it.

You will need your legs, which means roadwork, ab-work, and superior endurance.

For that, in a gym, or larhge room, work with a heavy bag, by picking it up, end over end, from side of the room to the other without stopping.

You have likely seen a variant of this where people train with large tires, and turn them end over end!

As for getting on the show, try calling the WWE Corporate Offices in Stamford, Connecticut.

1241 East Main Street
Stamford, Ct 06902
(203) 352-8600

WWE TV Production
120 Hamilton Avenue
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US/Canada Media Inquiries
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International Media Inquiries
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Talent Endorsement Inquiries
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I am sure that if you follow these numbers/contacts, and actually use some persuasion to get the info you seek, you will certainly get your face in front of the necessary people.

Good Luck and please let me know how you make out. I am extremely interested.

Kyle

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#15 JaneAlanaRoss

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 05:12 AM

Thanks for all the info! That's really cool. :) There is a gym at a nearby college (actually the one I went to when I was younger) that's meant to be quite cheap and good quality. I'll look into that and do that thing with the heavy bag. Yeah I've seen the tyres thing on those world strongest man competitions that are on TV sometimes. And yes, cardio, absolutely need to keep improving my cardio, and especially I need a much better vertical leap, is one thing I've found.

Soon as I've got enough money to start training again, I'll be right on all that stuff. Thankyou for the encouragement also!


Edited by JaneAlanaRoss, 06 June 2011 - 05:16 AM.


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Posted 06 June 2011 - 09:05 PM

Are you kidding me that Tinkle Pants Andy won???!!!!..that was a waste of my time! Luke had it all..looks, skill, confidence and a lil cockyness! Meanwhile CRY BABY ANDY did nothing, even up to the end. Stonecold ... What the hell just happened? Instead of a can beer, just give The Silent toddler a effin SIPPY CUP!




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