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[Flatpack]

What a brilliant title!
I got this from Sam on The Reel.

Edited by Flatpack, 05 May 2011 - 01:11 AM.

[maye]

I agree with Flatpack, that this is an awesome title. I had two thoughts when I read this title (for the potential last episode). First, I automatically thought of a picture of Goren as a kid wearing a blue knit cap and him coming to a place of personal peace and putting his demons to rest. Second thought, maybe it's Eames nephew or a child in her future.

[unsteady]

They just posted the casting call on TheReel. From the sound of it, it's an "homage" to the wildly popular "Social Network" movie.

[Firefall]

Great title. I will hold my breath by the time this episode airs when or hopefully when this won't be the last episode.

They just posted the casting call on TheReel. From the sound of it, it's an "homage" to the wildly popular "Social Network" movie.

I saw the casting call as well. [Laughing] Now they RFTH the Social Network movie.

Edited by Firefall, 05 May 2011 - 10:36 PM.

[Flatpack]

I thought the same too ,Maye. in my minds eye I had a picture of little Bobby in his blue bonnet.Fifty years ago knitting was still in fashion!

Anyway here is the cast list. The Reel says we can copy if we accredit.Again Sam sent this in to The Reel.


[SERENA MARGOLIS] Female, 28 – 32, any ethnicity. A beauty with a slightly awkward manner and a mind for computers, she is the inventor of a hugely popular dating website – which has now embroiled her in a nasty lawsuit with other parties who claim they were truly behind it. When one of her former business associates is discovered murdered in her office, she falls under suspicion of the crime.

[REX TAMLYN] Male, 28 – 32, any ethnicity. Rock star charisma & appetites. Though he is a gifted internet entrepreneur with a great instinct for promotion, he is also a serious coke addict who spends most of his time in nightclub VIP rooms. After partnering with Serena Margolis to help promote her website and take it to the next level, he was the driving force behind elbowing out the original partners, making him the target of much animosity.

[PJ SAMUELS] Male, 28 – 32. A dreamy, down to earth hipster who is the boyfriend of internet entrepreneur Serena Margolis, and the spokesman for her dating website – as the original respondent to her “missed connections” style ad, he makes a perfect face for the company. Despite his pleasant façade, he is carrying some secrets which ultimately land him in the interrogation room.

[SAMIR DAS] Male, 28 – 32, Indian. Hyper-intelligent venture capitalist, he is a party to the lawsuit against internet entrepreneur Serena Margolis.

[PARKER] Male, 28 – 32. Athletic Princeton-educated douche. Embroiled in a lawsuit against the woman he claims stole his idea for an internet start up, which she has now transformed into a hugely profitable & successful company.

[HILDY WHITMORE] Female, 22 – 26, Midwestern. Moved to New York 2 years ago and now works as a secretary to the head of a hot new internet company. Apparently sweet-natured, she is ultimately not as innocent as she appears.

[FRANK LEMKIN] Male, 28 – 32. Nerdy cute & soft-spoken.

[HARRIS] Male, 60s, patrician, old money. An extremely wealthy man who fought to amass his fortune, he is devastated after a death in the family.

[EFRAIM MILBANK] Male, 50s. Founding partner of one of the most prestigious law firms in New York.

[BOUNCER] Male. An imposing figure working the door of the hottest nightclub in town.

[PASSERBY] Male or female, 28 – 32, any ethnicity. An enthusiastic fan of a wildly popular dating website.

[GILBANE TWINS] Male, 28 – 32, athletic & Ivy League educated. They hail from an extremely wealthy background. One twin is obnoxious, aggressive, and litigious, while the other is much more reasonable and gentlemanly. (Twins on-screen interaction is limited - role could be played by two actor twins, or one actor with a twin willing to work as a double)

[Flatpack]

This is a dream come true! I always wanted to see Balcer and Leight reunited once more on LOCI, and now in a way they will be.We know that Leight came back to write the psyche scenes, but now apparently Balcer has been involved in the re-write stage of this last episode, and he also walks on in one of the scenes,much as he did in Blind Spot.This makes me so happy. It will give a sense of unity to the finale, and a finality for fans.

According to The Reel site this episode is the Finale.

I also learnt that Brancato has already written for SVU so maybe they will use him there again too. He has been an excellent showrunner and writer,very open to the challenges.Its not easy to pick up a show that has so much baggage, as Leight will discover no doubt as he picks up SVU.

My thanks to Wolf if he has made all this possible. Sometimes,just sometimes,he is not a Wolf, but a chihuahua!

Edited by Flatpack, 02 June 2011 - 02:54 AM.

[Flatpack]

The title feels like a celebration doenst it,that we all lift our glasses together and cheer "to Goren, the boy with the blue knit cap". Maybe Goren at last can cheer himself too, the boy he was,the man he has become.Acceptance is freedom and all those years of struggle melt away.

Edited by Flatpack, 03 June 2011 - 02:30 AM.

[ciaddict]

The title feels like a celebration doenst it,that we all lift our glasses together and cheer "to Goren, the boy with the blue knit cap". Maybe Goren at last can cheer himself too, the boy he was,the man he has become.Acceptance is freedom and all those years of struggle melt away.

This would be nice...closure for our flawed hero.

[Flatpack]

We know leight wrote the final scene and the psyche scene. And we know Balcer was involved in the re-write.
But does anyone know who actually wrote this episode?

[jr6020]

So, does anybody know the question that will answer the riddle form BGs first shrink session? 2 identical doors, 1 guarded by an angel, the other by the devil. The angel can only tell the truth, the devil only lie...what question will identify the door to heaven from the door to hell? I admit I'm stumped...Jim

Edited by jr6020, 15 June 2011 - 01:29 AM.

[Flatpack]

Keep at it. You will get there.
You dont get the answer by being told the answer...and thats a riddle in itself!

[Firefall]

I'm trying to imagine Goren's last quote before next sunday.

[maye]

I'm dreading this episode........... I don't want it to end, but I want it to end gracefully.

[Amy99]

I hope it ends well.


It's a mistake to end it. But they should at least do it well.

Airings of this show on NBC will get better ratings than the new crap they put out.

[Rubybaby]

So what do you think Bobby is so afraid of confronting in himself at the therapy sessions?

[cat lady]

In all the talk about the last episode one subject is pointedly being ignored, WHY THE RESHOOTING OF THE LAST SCENE ? If in fact the final scene to air was Goren emerging from the office building ( supposedly from his final shrink session) to a welcoming smile from his partner, Eames, reinstated fully, with no threat of being removed from his job, why reshoot this scene? In the reshot scene , photos of this reshoot available at thereelblog.com , the shoot takes place in a neighborhood not a downtown office building, in a townhouse. If you look at the prom, they use several different clips to show Goren at various stages in his life and career, including the one shot on the final shooting day. Given that they are wearing the same clothes and are in what looks like the same type of situation, this seems to be the altered ending. Throughout this past season, or the extra eight episodes whatever you choose to call them, never once did USA hint at it being anything more than a final farewell, for the show, the cast, and for the fans themselves who were so upset at their departure in season nine. It was Wolf who started the talk about a change of mind regarding the show, Vince and Kate as well were willing to continue, the fans wanted more and have expressed that view vocally. I hope I'm wrong but the reshot scene makes me worry that the only way to silence the hope of renewal was for USA to make a more permanent statement in that scene, leaving no doubt about a return. My hope is I'm wrong but my gut tells me that the ending will not please anyone who had pictured a rosy ending for the Goren and Eames team, I picture Goren having made a choice ( he alludes to it in the promo) he can't go on the way he has, he needs to decide, work ( as he always has full tilt 24/7) or have a life, which would be to leave the force and find himself a new direction with all the benefits that will bring, and all the loss he will have to endure. sure they do have to reshoot scenes for various reasons, but in that case wouldn't they have reshot the scene as it was originally, and in the same local ( continuity would be required I should think). as I said I hope I'm wrong, but we the fans were in Kate's words given a gift, eight episodes to say our goodby to a wonderfull show and a stellae cast, I hope we haven't shot ourselves in the foot by not accepting this gift graciously, and leaving it be what it was meant to be, eight shows with a good ending we could feel happy about. Next weeks show will air and we will find out one way or the other. One look at the faces of Kate and Vincent taken on the reshoot day, reflect a deep sense of sadness, and of reflection, we may all feel that way next Sunday.

[SEINOR]

In all the talk about the last episode one subject is pointedly being ignored, WHY THE RESHOOTING OF THE LAST SCENE ? If in fact the final scene to air was Goren emerging from the office building ( supposedly from his final shrink session) to a welcoming smile from his partner, Eames, reinstated fully, with no threat of being removed from his job, why reshoot this scene? In the reshot scene , photos of this reshoot available at thereelblog.com , the shoot takes place in a neighborhood not a downtown office building, in a townhouse. If you look at the prom, they use several different clips to show Goren at various stages in his life and career, including the one shot on the final shooting day. Given that they are wearing the same clothes and are in what looks like the same type of situation, this seems to be the altered ending. Throughout this past season, or the extra eight episodes whatever you choose to call them, never once did USA hint at it being anything more than a final farewell, for the show, the cast, and for the fans themselves who were so upset at their departure in season nine. It was Wolf who started the talk about a change of mind regarding the show, Vince and Kate as well were willing to continue, the fans wanted more and have expressed that view vocally. I hope I'm wrong but the reshot scene makes me worry that the only way to silence the hope of renewal was for USA to make a more permanent statement in that scene, leaving no doubt about a return. My hope is I'm wrong but my gut tells me that the ending will not please anyone who had pictured a rosy ending for the Goren and Eames team, I picture Goren having made a choice ( he alludes to it in the promo) he can't go on the way he has, he needs to decide, work ( as he always has full tilt 24/7) or have a life, which would be to leave the force and find himself a new direction with all the benefits that will bring, and all the loss he will have to endure. sure they do have to reshoot scenes for various reasons, but in that case wouldn't they have reshot the scene as it was originally, and in the same local ( continuity would be required I should think). as I said I hope I'm wrong, but we the fans were in Kate's words given a gift, eight episodes to say our goodby to a wonderfull show and a stellae cast, I hope we haven't shot ourselves in the foot by not accepting this gift graciously, and leaving it be what it was meant to be, eight shows with a good ending we could feel happy about. Next weeks show will air and we will find out one way or the other. One look at the faces of Kate and Vincent taken on the reshoot day, reflect a deep sense of sadness, and of reflection, we may all feel that way next Sunday.

[dogdaze]

I am also puzzled by the reshoot. I hope they don't loose the shot of Rene Balcer in the last scene. I do beg to differ with you on one point. When it was announced last September that they were renewing LOCI and Vincent had decided to return, Jeff Wachtel who is president of original programming at USA said this:

"The plan is for this to be the series finale, but with a Dick Wolf franchise, one really never knows until it's over."

That may not be a ringing endorsement but it certainly indicated there could be a chance. I do appreciate the gift given of these eight episodes. I've enjoyed the heck out of them and thought they were well written and brilliantly acted. But I will not apologize for wanting more. Dick Wolf wants more. Vincent and Katie want more. It's okay for the fans to want more of something they enjoy.

I can't even wrap my head around a scenerio that has USA re-shooting scenes to kill all hope. That is unbelievable to think they could snub the three to four million viewers who have faithfully supported the show this year. They tried to kill the fan base once with the whole Goldblum season and that didn't work. I guess we will see this Sunday. Regardless of how it plays out, I will still be hoping for more Goren and Eames in the future.

[cat lady]

I am also puzzled by the reshoot. I hope they don't loose the shot of Rene Balcer in the last scene. I do beg to differ with you on one point. When it was announced last September that they were renewing LOCI and Vincent had decided to return, Jeff Wachtel who is president of original programming at USA said this:

"The plan is for this to be the series finale, but with a Dick Wolf franchise, one really never knows until it's over."

That may not be a ringing endorsement but it certainly indicated there could be a chance. I do appreciate the gift given of these eight episodes. I've enjoyed the heck out of them and thought they were well written and brilliantly acted. But I will not apologize for wanting more. Dick Wolf wants more. Vincent and Katie want more. It's okay for the fans to want more of something they enjoy.

I can't even wrap my head around a scenerio that has USA re-shooting scenes to kill all hope. That is unbelievable to think they could snub the three to four million viewers who have faithfully supported the show this year. They tried to kill the fan base once with the whole Goldblum season and that didn't work. I guess we will see this Sunday. Regardless of how it plays out, I will still be hoping for more Goren and Eames in the future.

As they say hope springs eternal! USA is more than capable of doing whatever they want, regardless of a strong fan base they made outrageous changes to the show and it was severely slammed in the ratings, still they held out a small gift to the fans, 8 episodes to give a proper senroff, hopefully they will not dissapoint us at the final hour. But the test will be in that final hour, fingers, toes, and eyes crossed that Goren and Eames are still a team when the dust settles and we can all have our proper well deserved goodby! Also if the ending has been changed there goes Rene Balcer's cameo appearance, after his hard work this season that to would be a shame.

[Iabanon]

Crap time for my computer to die.

Now I'm back I can say....Goren is NOT being fired. He asks the question like any of us would. When you look at the sessions and esp the one from Icarus you see that he wanst to know where he stands and he's never trusted the brass. Also Gyson mentions more than once about if Goren wants to work no things and if they go into more of his issues that eludes to a future so long as he works on it. Add to the fact that Wolf is still shopping around and Kathryn was saying to voice our desires for more LOCI then it is very unlikely. If anything, I think he's more likely to quit. I still hope like hell for more and there is a flicker of hope within my heart.
I don't think there'll be a romantic ending even though I think they are suited and it makes sense to me. I'd like at least for Goren to ask Eames to dinner as a friend and to become more sociable and open with the people he cares about. That we won't see in the last episode. But a hug sure would be nice. An ackowledgement of how muc they mean to eachother. I can live with that as a bandaid solution to wrapping up two lives in eight episodes. LONG LIVE GOREN AND EAMES! (tee hee had to add that)